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Local government section: Someone has inserted that " 'Billinge Higher End' and 'Winstanley' form part of the 'Orrell' ward in the 'Makerfield' constituency". In point of fact, there is no such thing as a 'constituency' in local government. Constituencies elect MPs to the Commons. Also, why has the stuff on townships and neighbourhoods in the Metropolitan B. of Wigan been deleted. I suggest you check the council's official website. They exist and they are here to stay. [[User:Yozzer66|Yozzer66]] 22:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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[[Sony]]'s '''Betamax''' is the 12.7 mm (0.5 inch) home [[videocassette]] tape recording format introduced on April 16, 1975 (in market on May 10) and derived from the earlier, professional 19.1 mm (0.75 inch) [[U-matic]] video cassette [[format]]. Like the video home recording system [[Video Home System|VHS]] introduced by [[JVC]] in 1976, it had no [[guard band]], and used [[azimuth recording]] to reduce [[Crosstalk (electronics)|cross-talk]]. The "Betamax" name came from a double meaning: ''beta'' being the Japanese word used to describe the way signals were recorded onto the tape, and from the fact that when the tape ran through the transport it looked like the Greek letter "[[Beta (letter)|Beta]]" (β). The suffix ''-max'' came from "maximum" to suggest greatness.<ref>Sony History: [http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-13/h5.html "This is a revolution!"]</ref>
 
[[Sanyo]] marketed a version as ''Betacord'', but this was also referred casually to as "Beta." In addition to Sony and Sanyo, Betamax video recorders were also sold by [[Toshiba]], [[Pioneer Corporation|Pioneer]], [[Aiwa]] and [[NEC Corporation|NEC]], and the [[Zenith Electronics Corporation]] and [[WEGA]] Corporations contracted with [[Sony]] to produce VCRs for their product lines. Department stores like [[Sears, Roebuck and Company|Sears]], in the US and Canada, and [[Quelle (company)|Quelle]] in Germany sold Beta format VCRs under their house brands as did the [[RadioShack]] chain of electronic stores.
Billinge and Winstanley were part of the civic Parish of Wigan. It would have required an act of Parliament for Billinge and/or Winstanley to have become administeratively seperate. This only happened in the 1890s with the creation of the Urban District Council. [[User:Yozzer66|Yozzer66]] 22:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 
Sony introduced the Betamax home video system in [[1975]] with the LV-1901 Trinitron/Betamax console. It was the most popular video format in [[1983]], gaining almost a third of the UK video recorder market, while [[Sanyo|Sanyo's]] VTC5000 was the top selling UK video recorder. By 1985, however, the market had turned sharply towards VHS.
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much of this article is word for word identical with text at [http://www.wiganmbc.gov.uk/pub/partnership/township/orrell/index.htm] and [http://www.wigan.gov.uk/pub/council/borough-life/issue14/township_or.htm] [[User:Morwen|Morwen]] - [[User_talk:Morwen|Talk]] 07:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)p
 
The world's first [[camcorders]] were Sony's ''Betamovie'' Betamax recorders.
==Wardness==
[[Image:Sony_bmc100p.jpg|right|thumb|The world's first brand of camcorder, 1983]]
I should be interested to know when this was a ward. It isn't at present, and wasn't prior to the new ward boundaries coming into effect in 2004, according to the boundary committee's report on the re-warding. These boundaries dated from 1979... So this leaves the time period from 1973 to 1979 - in 1973 temporary ward boundaries were used, based on existing wards: is quite possible that Billinge and Winstanley constituted a ward then. Not sure where to get this info from, since there was no census in this timeframe. [[User:Morwen|Morwen]] - [[User_talk:Morwen|Talk]] 10:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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*Notwithstanding which council calls the tune, the village of Billinge is still, and always has been, in the same place. When another council takes control, the village is not lifted from it's foundations and transplanted elsewhere. Billinge still lies between Wigan and St.Helens, in the County of Lancashire, England. Winstanley is another place, lying west of Billinge. There is no place named Billinge and Winstanley, they are two seperate places. This Billinge and Winstanley article should be scrapped, the Billinge Higher End and Billinge Chapel End combining to form Billinge, as one article.
The note about Billinge Hospital is wrong. The hospital acted as maternity hospital for the surrounding area, not for Wigan as is suggested.
 
== The legacy of Betamax ==
And certainly not for the whole of Wigan Metropolitan Borough, as that includes parts of Salford and Warrington, each with it's own facilities.
The VHS format's defeat of the Betamax format became a classic [[marketing]] case study, now identified with the verbal phrase "to Betamax", wherein a [[proprietary]] technology format is overwhelmed in the market by a competing format allowing multiple, competing, licensed manufacturers. Sony's ability to dictate an industry standard backfired when [[JVC]], and parent [[Matsushita]], made the tactical decision to forego Sony's offer of Betamax in favor of JVC's VHS technology. They felt that it would end up like [[U-Matic]] deal: Sony dominating, and they get the scraps. By 1984, forty companies utilized the VHS format in comparison with Beta's twelve. Sony finally conceded defeat in 1988 when it too began producing VHS recorders. However, Sony may be said to have had some small consolation in this saga as its [[8 mm video format|Video-8]] small-format videotape is essentially a scaled-down version of the Betamax, and Video-8 dominated the home camcorder format for the next 15 years with the rival [[VHS-C]] format, until both formats were rendered obsolete by the digital [[MiniDV]] standard.
 
The real reason for the success of VHS is [[RCA]], who asked Matsushita for a 4 hour VHS machine. RCA had earlier discussed this with Sony during Beta's development phase, but Sony's engineers felt that by slowing the tape speed from 4 to 2 cm/sec and narrowing the video track, picture quality would be too poor. Matsushita, despite protests from JVC, delivered Long Play, exactly what RCA wanted. RCA in turn would offer their 4 hour VHS decks at a suggested retail of $995. RCA's pricing and marketing of their 4 hour mode VHS machine would be crucial.
Billinge Hospital did serve as the principle maternity hospital for the Wigan Borough. People outside the Borough were born there, however Wigan Borough's maternity facilities are now located at the infirmary.
 
One other major consequence of the Betamax technology's introduction to the U.S. was the lawsuit ''[[Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios]]'' (1984, the "Betamax case"), with the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] determining home videotaping to be legal in the [[United States]], wherein home videotape cassette recorders were a legal technology since they had substantial non-infringing uses. This precedent was later invoked in ''[[MGM v. Grokster]]'' (2005), where the high court agreed that the same "substantial non-infringing uses" standard applies to authors and vendors of [[peer-to-peer]] file sharing software (notably excepting those who "actively induce" copyright infringement through "purposeful, culpable expression and conduct").
I can confirm that Billinge Maternity Hospital was an NHS Hospital and was, therefore, available to any NHS registered patient in the surrounding area requiring maternity care, regardless of them living in Wigan or not. However, it was administered by Wigan NHS Trust.
 
[[Image:Three_betamax_vcrs.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Three Sony Betamax VCRs built for the American market. Top to Bottom: (1982) SL-2000 portable with TT-2000 tuner/timer 'Base Station', (1984) SL-HF 300 Betamax HiFi unit, (1988) SL-HF 360 SuperBeta HiFi unit.]]
*This article and the Billinge Chapel End article should NOT be one article as they are two different places in two different borough's. The hospital and anything else to do with 'Higher End' has nothing whatsoever to do with Chapel End. These points are becoming ridiculous, if you were born in Billinge Hospital you a from Wigan, NOT from the village of 'Billinge'. 99.9% of those living in the 'Borough' of Wigan were born in Billinge Hospital. The hospital served as the principle maternity facility for the Wigan area until its close in 2004, when maternity facilities were moved to the nearest hospital, Wigan Infirmary. People in other areas outside of the Borough such as Billinge Chapel End and Skelmersdale were born in Billinge Hospital.
 
[[Image:SL-MV1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|A rare Japanese market Betamax TV/VCR combo - Model SL-MV1.]]
 
[[Image:Betacam_betamax_tapes.jpg|thumb|300px|The early form of Betacam tapes are interchangeable with Betamax, though the recordings are not.]]
You are very small minded to think that Billinge Hospital was exclusively for Wiganers. It also served a large part of St.Helens, Rainford, Garswood, Haydock, etc.. When the hospital closed in 2004, 'it' was not 'moved' to Wigan Infirmary, it simply 'closed' and several other hospitals took over it's workload. Also, Wigan 'Metropolitan' Borough, as is now, stretches far from Wigan and, therefore, the new facility at Albert Edward Infirmary does not cover the whole of the borough.
 
In the professional and broadcast video industry, Sony's [[Betacam]], derived from Betamax as a professional format, became one of several standard formats; production houses exchange footage on Betacam videocassettes, and the Betacam system became the most widely used videotape format in the [[Electronic News Gathering|ENG]] (Electronic News Gathering) industry, replacing the 3/4" U-matic tape format (which was the first practical and cost-effective portable videotape format for broadcast television, signaling the end of 16mm film -- and the phrase "film at eleven" often heard on the six-o-clock newscast, before the film had been developed). The professional derivative of VHS, [[MII (videocassette format)|MII]] (aka Recam), faced off against Betacam and lost. Once Betacam became the ''[[de facto]]'' standard of the broadcast industry, its position in the professional market mirrored VHS's dominance in the home-video market. On a technical level, Betacam and Betamax are similar in that both share the same videocassette shape, use the same oxide tape formulation with the same [[coercivity]], and both record linear audio tracks on the same ___location of the videotape. But in the key area of video recording, Betacam and Betamax are completely different. (Unlike Betamax, Betacam uses a [[component video|component-video]] encoding system.) BetaCam tapes are mechanically interchangeable with Betamax, but not electronically. BetaCam moves the tape at 12cm/sec, with different recording/encoding techniques. Betamax is a color-under system with linear tape speeds ranging from 4cm/sec to 1.33cm/sec.
 
Sony also offered a range of Industrial Betamax products, a Beta I only format for industrial and institutional users. Basically cheaper and smaller than U-Matic. The arrival of the Betacam system reduced the demand for both Industrial Beta and U-Matic equipment.
*For the last time, the majority of people in Wigan were born in Billinge Hospital (and if you were you are originally a Wiganer). It was the principle maternity facility for Wigan,(not the whole borough, as those people in the places near Salford would be born in Salford/Manchester) but people who live in other areas such as Skem, Rainford etc etc were born there. The new facility at the infirmary now handles the maternity cases in Wigan that would previously have gone to Billinge Hospital. What is it that nobody gets about this?, it really is not that difficult.
 
Betamax also had a significant part to play in the music recording industry when Sony introduced its [[Pulse-code modulation|PCM]] (Pulse Code Modulation) digital recording system as an encoding box - [[PCM adaptor]] that connected to a Betamax recorder. The Sony PCM-F1 adaptor was sold with a companion Betamax VCR SL-2000 as a portable [[Digital audio]] recording system. Many recording engineers used this system in the 1980s and 1990s to make their first digital master recordings.
Are you saying that all the people from St.Helens, Rainford, Skelmersdale, Haydock, Garswood, etc. are all 'Wiganers' ? Are you daft ? Need I ask ??
 
Initially, Sony was able to tout several Betamax-only features, such as BetaScan, a high speed picture search in either direction, and BetaSkipScan, a technique that allowed the operator to see where he was on the tape by pressing the FF key (or REW, if in that mode) and the transport would switch into the BetaScan mode until the key was released. Sony believed that the M-Load transports used by VHS machines made copying these trick modes impossible. BetaScan was originally called "Videola" until the company that made the [[Moviola]] threatened legal action.
 
Sony would also sell a BetaPak, a small deck designed to be used with a camera. Concerned with the need for several pieces, and cables to connect them, an integrated camera/recorder was designed, which Sony dubbed a "Camcorder". The result was Betamovie. Betamovie used the standard sized cassette, but with a modified transport. The tape was wrapped 300 degrees around a smaller, 44.671mm diameter head drum, with a single dual-azimuth head to write the video tracks. For playback, the tape would be inserted into a Beta format deck. Due to the different geometry and writing techniques employed, playback within the camcorder was not feasible. SuperBeta and Industrial Betamovie camcorders would also be sold by Sony.
*No but seeing as the majority of St Helens was not born in Billinge Hospital (isnt it Whiston) they have nothing to worry about. If you were born in Billinge Hospital you were BORN (note how I put in the word "originally" or did you just ignore that?)in Wigan, you dont have to live in the place you were born you know.
 
Betamax introduced high fidelity audio to videotape, as Betahifi. For [[NTSC]], Betahifi worked by placing a pair of FM carriers between the chroma (C) and luminance (Y) carriers, a process known as audio frequency modulation. Each head had a specific pair of carriers, in total four individual channels were employed. Head A recorded its hifi carriers at 1.38(L) and 1.68(R) MHz, and the B head employed 1.53 and 1.83 MHz. The result was audio with an 80dB dynamic range, with less than 0.005% wow and flutter.
Question: 'If a Dog is born in a stable, is it a Horse?
 
Prior to the introduction of Betahifi, Sony shifted the Y carrier up by 400 kHz to make room for the 4 FM carriers that would be needed for Betahifi. All Beta machines incorporated this change, plus the ability to hunt for a lower frequency pre-AFM Y carrier. Sony incorporated an "anti-hunt" circuit, to stop the machine hunting for a Y carrier that wasn't there.
 
Some Sony NTSC models were marketed as "HiFi Ready" (with a SL-HFR prefix to the model's number instead of the usual SL or SL-HF). These Betamax decks looked like a regular Betamax model, except for a special 28 pin connector on the rear. If the user desired a Betahifi model but lacked the funds at the time, he could purchase an "SL-HFRxx" and at a later date purchase the separate Hi Fi Processor. Sony offered two outboard Betahifi processors, the HFP-100 and HFP-200. They were identical except that the HFP-200 was capable of multi-channel TV sound, with the word "stereocast" printed after the Betahifi logo. This was possible because unlike a VHS HiFi deck, an NTSC Betamax didn't need an extra pair of heads. The HFP-x00 would generate the needed carriers which would be recorded by the attached deck, and during playback the AFM carriers would be passed to the HFP-x00. They also had a small "fine tracking" control on the rear panel for difficult tapes.
Whiston Hospital Maternity Unit provides for most of St.Helens now that Billinge has closed. Whiston, if you don't know, is a long way past St.Helens and St.Helens Borough, like Wigan Borough, is now a big place. If you lived in, let's say, Astley, would you want to come to Wigan for hospital care? I think not. Likewise, if you lived in Garswood, would you want to go to Whiston? Don't be small minded. It's a big world out there, look through the big window, the world doesn't revolve around Wigan!
 
For [[PAL]], however, the bandwidth between the Chroma and Luminance carriers was not sufficient enough to allow additional FM carriers, so depth multiplexing was employed, where the audio track would be recorded in the same way that the video track was. The lower frequency audio track was written first by a dedicated head, and the video track recorded on top by the video head. The head disk had an extra pair of audio only heads with a different azimuth, positioned slightly ahead of the regular video heads, for this purpose.
*I, as Im sure you are, am getting tired of this topic of discussion. Billinge Hospital was the maternity facility for Wigan (not the whole borough) and its closeby areas (and some other surrounding areas). When the hospital closed, the cases in Wigan and its closeby areas started going to the infirmary those from the other other surrounding areas started going to hospital's near to them. Those born in Billinge Hospital prior to its close were born 'in Wigan'. Those that then went home to areas outside of the Wigan area after being born are now 'from' the area in which they live now, but were not born in those areas, those that went home to places in the Wigan area are still 'from Wigan'. Please let this be the last on the subject. The article is accurate and explains the situation clearly by using the words "for Wigan and other surrounding areas". I hope we can all agree. Thanks
 
Sony was confident that VHS could not achieve the same audio performance feat as Betahifi. However, to the chagrin of Sony, JVC did develop a VHS hi-fi system on the principle of depth multiplexing approximately a year after the first Betahifi VCR, the SL-5200, was introduced by Sony. Despite initial praise as providing "CD sound quality," both Beta Hi-Fi and VHS HiFi suffered from "carrier buzz," where high frequency information bled into the audio carriers, creating momentary "buzzing" and other audio flaws. Both systems also used companding noise-reduction systems, which could create "pumping" artifacts under some conditions. Both formats also suffered from interchange problems, where tapes made on one machines did not always play back well on other machines. When this happened, users were forced to revert to the old linear soundtrack.
I will not agree to something which I know is factually wrong. Anyone born in Wigan Infirmary will, undoubtedly, have been born 'in' Wigan. Anyone born in Billinge Hospital will have been born 'in' Billinge, not Wigan. Taken to the letter, they would have been born in Billinge, in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, but only had they been born there after 1974 as, previously to then it would have been just 'Billinge'. Or, alternatively, why not insist on anybody born in Billinge Hospital, after 1974, must have been born in Manchester ?
 
In 1985 Sony would introduce a new feature, High Band or SuperBeta, by again shifting the Y carrier, this time by 800 kHz. This improved the bandwidth available to the Y sideband, giving 290 to 300 lines of horizontal resolution in this mode, on a regular grade Beta cassette. A typical videocassette recorder was 240-250 lines. The heads were also narrowed to 29 microns to reduce crosstalk. Later, some models would feature further improvement, in the form of BIs, a high band version of the Beta I (BI) recording mode. There were some incompatibilities between the older Beta decks and SuperBeta, but most could play back a high band tape without major problems. SuperBeta decks had a switch to disable the SuperBeta mode for compatibility purposes.
 
JVC would counter SuperBeta with VHS HQ, or High Quality, a series of improvements to their VHS format. Originally, an HQ branded deck would have a luminance noise reduction circuit, a chroma noise reduction circuit, white clip extension, and improved sharpness circuitry. The effect was to increase the apparent resolution of a VHS recording. The major VHS [[Original Equipment Manufacturer|OEM]]s resisted HQ due to cost concerns, eventually resulting in JVC reducing the requirements for the HQ brand to ''white clip extension plus one other improvement'', either those by JVC or another circuit proposed by RCA.
That is quite possibly the most ridiculous question ever asked. Im not going to insult your intelligence by giving an answer, however I will say that to refer to those born in Billinge Hospital (quite rightly as you point out after 1974), as being born 'in Wigan', is most definitely acceptable as 100 per cent of those born in that circumstance refer to themselves as being born 'in Wigan'. As an example I think we may have to start describing only those born in the 'City of London' itself (as opposed to the Metropolitan area) as being 'from London'.
 
JVC would introduce their SuperVHS, at 400 lines, a few years later. Due to the lower writing speeds inherent to the VHS design, Super VHS required a special high grade tape, unlike SuperBeta, which used the regular formulation Beta cassettes. Sony would also offer SuperBeta in their Industrial Beta line.
 
Sony would again push the envelope with ED or "Extended Definition" Betamax, capable of up to 500 lines of resolution, using a metal formulation tape from the Betacam. They also incorporated some improvements to the transport to reduce mechanically induced aberrations in the picture. Sony introduced two ED decks and a camcorder in the late 1980s. The top end ED deck was a very capable editing deck, rivalling much more expensive U-Matic setups for its accuracy, but did not have commercial success due to lack of timecode and other pro features.
I have friends from near Bromley, Kent, and they get offended if anyone refers to them as 'Londoners' or 'Cockneys'. Mind you, they say that the only people who can't cope with them NOT being from London, even though they talk like it and live, are the people they meet when they come to visit us, near Wigan.
 
Despite the sharp decline in sales of Betamax recorders in the late 1980s and subsequent halt in production of new recorders by Sony in 2002, the format is still being used by a small number of people, most of whom are collectors or hobbyists.
New cassettes are still available for purchase at [[online shop]]s and used recorders are often found at [[flea market]]s, thrift stores, or on [[internet]] [[auction]] sites.
 
== Criticism ==
Seeing as they are from Kent, who would call them 'Cockneys'? Why would anyone in Wigan think someone from Kent was a Cockney?. What has this got to do with people being born in Billinge Hospital (after 1974) rightly calling themselves Wiganers?
[[Image:Betavhs2.jpg|right|thumb|Size comparison between a Betamax cassette and a VHS cassette.]]
A multitude of technical drawbacks along with the proprietary nature of the Betamax format hurt it in its competition with VHS, in spite of the Betamax's superior video quality. Other proprietary formats from [[Sony]] such as [[Memory Stick]], [[Universal Media Disc|UMD]], [[Digital8]], and [[ATRAC]] have since been similarly criticized.
 
The main issue with the Beta format in the early days of the USA market was recording time. The original prototypes shown to Matsushita used a linear tape speed of 40 mm/sec. The technology of the day needed that speed due to the 60 micron heads employed. Sony engineers and management had decided that since one hour was acceptable to the U-Matic's buyers, it was acceptable for Beta too. So the Beta format had a smaller, one hour cassette called a K-60. (The designation would later change to L-500). The cassette was loaded with 150m of tape (close to 500 feet, which is where the "500" designation came from).
==Billinge-and-Winstanley does not exist==
 
RCA had initially planned a home video format around 1974, to be called "SelectaVision MagTape," but cancelled it after hearing rumors about Sony's Betamax format, and was considering Sony as an OEM for an RCA-branded VCR. RCA had discussions with Sony, but RCA felt the recording time was too short, insisting that they needed at least a 4-hour recording time (reportedly because that was the length of an average televised U.S. football game). Sony engineers knew that the technology available to manufacture video heads wasn't up to the task yet, but halving the tape speed and track width was a possibility. Unfortunately, the picture quality would be degraded severely, and at that time Sony engineers felt the compromise was not worthwhile.
These are two seperate places completely. Winstanley is in Wigan too, it borders on Goose Green, if you walk up highfield grange, the border is is somewhere between Clapgate Lane and Melrose Drive (you can't see it though, it's invisible). People who shop at Winstanley shops and also have a pint in 'the Poacher' consider themselves as part of Wigan town not Wigan Borough as this article describes and they certainly do not consider themselves as living in 'Billinge-and-Winstanly'
 
Soon after, RCA met with execs with the Victor Corporation of Japan (JVC), who had created their own video format, christened "VHS" (Which stood for "Video Helical Scan" and later "Video Home System"). But JVC also refused to compromise the picture quality of their format by allowing a 4-hour mode. Ironically, their parent corporation, Matsushita, later met with RCA, and agreed to manufacture a 4-hour-capable VHS machine for RCA, much to JVC's chagrin. (For NTSC markets, JVC never did make a VHS machine capable of the 4-hour "LP" mode, though they did later offer a 6-hour "EP" mode, claiming performance better than the early 4-hour machines due to improvements in video heads and video circuitry. LP machines by JVC exist for PAL markets because the basic tape speed was lower in the first place.)
[[User:82.33.171.111|82.33.171.111]] 15:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 
Sony would introduce an "X2" speed of 20 mm/sec for a "2 hour Betamax." This led to confusion in the market, as some decks only recorded in X2, and others didn't even play X1 tapes. Later models would have the capability to handle a thinner tape that ran for 90 minutes in X1 mode, but many decks only recorded in X2.
 
Recording time was everything, with Beta eventually managing 5 hours at BIII (13.3 mm/sec) on an ultra-thin L-830 cassette, and VHS achieving 6 hours with Extended Play on the standard T-120 cassette (and up to 9 hours on an ultra-thin T-180 cassette, later even longer with the T-200 cassette). Slower tape speeds meant a degradation in picture quality, but the consumer didn't seem to mind. Sony was never able to overcome the disadvantage of the 1 hour recording limit when Beta was introduced.
*How true! Billinge and Winstanley doesn't exist. However, 'people who shop at Winstanley shops and also have a pint in 'the Poacher'...' are free to 'consider' themselves 'part' of wherever they wish. Unfortunately, Winstanley is a place called Winstanley and has been for a long time, so, as long as they are shopping and having a pint in Winstanley, that's exactly where they are part of. Winstanley, in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan. Not Wigan town. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:80.192.242.18|80.192.242.18]] ([[User talk:80.192.242.187|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/80.192.242.187|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#32;{{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
According James Lardner's 1987 book, "Fast Forward: Hollywood, the Japanese, and the Onslaught of the VCR," Sony had met with Matsushita execs sometime in late 1974/early 1975, to discuss the forthcoming home video market. They had previously co-operated in the development and marketing of the "U" format videocassette, with Sony marketing under the U-Matic brand. At the meeting, the Matsushita exec showed them a VHS prototype, and advised them it was not too late to embrace VHS "for the good of the industry." Sony management were too close to production (and, one could argue, too proud and arrogant) to compromise, and felt their generosity had been taken advantage of. Thus, the stage was set for a battle between Sony and Matsushita in the arena of home video.
:OK. Well before we organise a split, if that is needed, we need to confirm what is what. This is what I understand: Billinge was split in 1974 into two areas: Higher End in the Met Borough of Wigan and Billinge village in the Met Borough of St Helens. There is already a main Billinge, Merseyside article, so do we need one for Higher End and one for Winstanley? I have marked the page with a split tag so please do not edit it until we have sorted this out. We can then create the new stub articles and correct redirects as necessary. [[User:Regan123|Regan123]] 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 
It should be noted that in Europe which uses the [[PAL]] television system, recording time was never such an issue. An L-750 runs for 3.25 hours with the PAL system, whereas the equivalent E180 tape would run for just 3 hours, giving Beta a longer running time for most users. The very longest L830 tape however was slightly shorter than the longest VHS tape of 4 hours at the time, but the difference of 25 minutes was not enough to be frequently cited as a reason for VHS being preferred.
*Right, after doing a little more research on this seeing as I am hungover and have nothing better to do. I've located that the Goose Green - Winstanley border is between Sturton Ave (Goose Green) and Dunscore Road (Winstanley) [http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=356240&y=402957&z=1&sv=356240,402957&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf see arrow in this link]
 
== Popular culture ==
:I find the notion utterly ridiculous that while walking up Highfield Grange upon passing Sturton Ave, I actually leave Wigan. That's just not right.
Betamax was featured in a sinister context in [[David Cronenberg]]'s 1983 film ''[[Videodrome]]'', in which a video signal recorded on Betamax tape is used for [[mind control]]. By the late 1980s, however, jokes about the format's unpopularity were appearing in popular culture. In a 1989 episode of the [[situation comedy]] ''[[Married... with Children]]'', the Bundys were described as "the last family on earth with Beta"; a character had to cross state lines to get a tape from "Bob's Betas and [[Bell-bottoms]]", and was only able to rent ''[[Oh Heavenly Dog]]''.<ref>''Married... with Children'' episode 50, "The Harder They Fall", [[1989-03-26]].</ref> In the 1990 novel ''[[Good Omens]]'', a 17th-century book of prophecies includes the warning "Do Notte Buye Betamacks".<ref>{{cite book | last = Gaiman | first = Neil | authorlink = Neil Gaiman | coauthors = Terry Pratchett | title = Good Omens | publisher = Ace | date = 1996 | ___location = New York | pages = 195 | url = | doi = | id = ISBN 0-441-00325-7 }}</ref> In a 1992 episode of ''[[The Simpsons]]'', Snake steals a VCR, but on inspecting it exclaims "Oh no, Beta!"<ref>'"The Simpsons'', "Itchy and Scratchy, The Movie", [[1992-11-03]].</ref> In an episode of ''[[Futurama]]'', [[Mom (Futurama)|Mom]] says that she won't be around forever and a talking Betamax player says, "Oh shush," in response.<ref>''[[Futurama]]'', "[[Mother's Day (Futurama)|Mother's Day]]", [[2000-05-14]].</ref> In an episode of the television series [[Cowboy Bebop]], two of the main characters must go out in search of a beta player in an ancient history museum in order to view a mysterious beta cassette tape they recieved in the mail. Upon returning with a player, they woefully discover that they had found a VHS player, not betamax.
 
As a well-known obsolete [[data storage device|storage medium]], beta videotapes are sometimes mentioned alongside other things that themselves are&mdash;or may become&mdash;outdated. For example, in a 2003 episode of ''The Simpsons'', a junkyard contains a pile of Betamax tapes, a pile of [[laserdiscs]], and next to them an empty space with a sign reading "reserved for [[DVD]]".<ref>''The Simpsons'', "[[The Fat and the Furriest]]", [[2003-11-30]].</ref> Similarly, a 2006 episode of ''[[The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy]]'' describes [[Fred Flintstone]] as coming from a time of "[[dinosaur]]s, Betamax tapes, [[floppy disks]], and [[acid wash]] jeans with holes in them on purpose".<ref>''The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy'', "Modern Primitives", [[2006-01-27]].</ref>
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In [[rock climbing]], to give guidance as to how to climb a particular route is called "[[Beta (climbing)|giving beta]]". This is due to climbers sometimes videotaping other climbers on climbing routes using the Betamax format (when it was still in use), then reviewing the tapes to evaluate techniques to help them climb the same routes in the future.
 
==Notes and references==
*I've said this before and I'll say it again. If you go to Chester, you can jump from England into Wales. I'm only giving a description of what a 'border' is. Sometimes, as in the Todmorden case, borders can run through buildings! Sometime in your life, you're gonna have to leave Wigan!!!!
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In fact, you leave Wigan as soon as you cross the River Douglas, as that is the 'border' between Wigan and Pemberton. When Pemberton was included into Wigan Borough, in 1894, the Borough Border was moved to the point you show on your link. As you come towards Wigan on the A49 you cross that border where the sign, saying 'Wigan', is, that's just after the M6 entry/exit island at marus bridge.
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== See also ==
Regan, unless you are local it is hard to picture, but Billinge was not split into two areas. Please go onto Google Map/Satellite to see for yourself.
* [[Videotape format war]]
* [[Peep search]] A picture search system pioneered with Betamax and available on most video formats since.
 
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:Alright, lets start with what is / was Billinge-and-Winstanley. An area, parish, civil parish? [[User:Regan123|Regan123]] 21:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
* [http://www.alivestudios-memories.co.uk/info3.html Running time of all lengths of Betamax tape, and how to copy the film to DVD/miniDV and AVI]
* [http://www.betainfoguide.com The Ultimate Betamax Info Guide - covering the Betamax format in the North American market]
* [http://www.mrbetamax.com/ Mister Betamax - extensive Beta supply site]
* [http://betamax.palsite.org Betamax PALsite - over 350 pages of Betamax information, running since 1997]
* [http://www.totalrewind.org The 'Total Rewind' VCR museum, covering Betamax and other vintage formats]
* [http://www.colin99.co.uk/beta.html The Betamax format in the UK, including technical information on servicing Sanyo Beta machines]
* [http://aolradio.podcast.aol.com/twit/DGW-030.mp3 "Daily Giz Wiz" Podcast discussing the Betamax]
 
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* It's been called 'Billinge with Winstanley' and 'Billinge and Winstanley'. It discribes two council wards, but it's not an actual place. Part of it is in Orrell, or should I say Far Moor? This is an extract from the 'Greater Manchester Gazetteer' ... Billinge and Winstanley Urban District (part only,. namely the Billinge Higher End ward and the Winstanley ward except its detached parts). The 'Gazetteer' also gives a discription of Winstanley and Billinge. Take a look ..... [[www.gmcro.co.uk/guides/gazette/gazzt2w.htm]]
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PS. What was Billinge Higher End ward, is now in Orrell ward. See ONS for ward maps.
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*I agree these are two different area's, should be two separate articles. Man2
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*Please refer to this http://www.wiganmbc.gov.uk/pub/partnership/township/orrell/index.htm. The page contains the statement "until 2004 Billinge was a familiar place for local parents as home to the borough’s maternity hospital". Please note the use of the word 'Borough'. This shows Billinge Hospital was the Wigan areas maternity facility not simply 'for the surrounding areas'. Thanks. Man2
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Billinge hospital was for all NHS registered patients in the surrounding areas, including Wigan, but not exclusively Wigan. Wigan Borough was, then, only small and it was the only maternity hospital nearby so, of course, it was used by Wigan. The hospital also served NHS registered patients from St.Helens, Rainford, Billinge, Blackbrook, Haydock, Earlestown, Ashton, Golborne, AND Wigan. What makes you think Wigan is so 'important'?
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*What part of the hospital section of the article is not correct?. It states that is was the maternity facility for the Borough of Wigan "and other surrounding areas" (obviously people in Astley/Leigh etc would prob not have used Billinge). It goes on to say that now the hospital has closed the 'Wigan area' (i.e. Swinley, Newtown, Pem, Orrell, Ince, Billinge Higher End etc etc) maternity cases now use the infirmary. The places outside the borough that used Billinge until it closed now do not use the Infirmary, but hospital's closer to them. Seeing as the site where Billinge Hospital was is in the Borough of Wigan mention should be made that it was the maternity facility for the Borough (as mentioned in the above link).
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*Billinge Hospital was used for maternity care by patients from many GP's Practices in it's surrounding area. Wigan, St.Helens, Rainford, Upholland, Haydock, Earlestown, Golborne and even Billinge itself. This article is for 'Billinge' and 'Winstanley', not Wigan, or St.Helens, or anywhere else. Where Wigans maternity care comes from now is not relative. Neither is where St.Helens maternity care comes from now, or anywhere elses maternity care for that matter. There is no reason to single out Wigan for inclusion in this article at all.
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When I was born in Billinge Hospital back in 1966 it was located within the boundaries of 'Billinge-and-Winstanley Urban District Council', Lancashire. My parents were residents in Ashton-in-Makerfield Urban District, Lancashire. I wasn't born in Wigan and my parents didn't live in Wigan. Those born in the hospital after the local government re-organisation in 1974 might argue that they were Wiganers, just as those resident in Ashton may employ similar arguments. I'm not convinced. The Metropolitan Borough of Wigan is a big place. Not everyone born or resident there are Wiganers. (Similarly, not all Merseysiders are 'scousers'. Even those sounding scouse like Birkenheaders will remind you: "Don't be mistaken, don't be misled, We're not scousers, We come from Birkenhead!"). [[User:Yozzer66|Yozzer66]] 20:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 
*Well Sed! [[User:80.192.242.187|80.192.242.187]] 20:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC) JemmyH.
 
* Oh, and don't be misled on Ashton in Makerfield being 'in' Wigan, either. Because it's not. It is in the Same 'Metropolitan Borough' as Wigan is, but that's as far as it goes.
 
The National Register of Archives claims to have records for 'Billinge and Winstanley Urban District Council' dating from 1838 to 1974. However, the website 'A Vision of Britain Through Time' says that Billinge and Winstanley UD was created in 1924. Obviously, both these sources can't be correct. Does anybody know which date, if any, is the correct one? [[User:Yozzer66|Yozzer66]] 21:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 
 
* OK. But, irrespective of what the local council call themselves, or which local councils 'team up' and create a new name for themselves, the actual places, one called Winstanley and the other one Billinge, have remained the same. This is a problem with Wikipedia, people write articles about 'local council areas and wards', instead of articles about 'places', using correct 'place names'. And, more often than not, the writer has never set foot in the place he/she is writing about.