Talk:Infinite Crisis and Countdown with Keith Olbermann: Difference between pages

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[[Image:23olbermannplug.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A screen-shot from a commercial for Countdown.]]

What's the point of having so much detail about each miniseries? They don't even deserve a separate section each, when thinking about the big picture (the actual Crisis and such shenanigans). I'm not as versed in Crisislore as the guys who actually wrote the "summaries" (I am '''not''' reading the books), but I think it shouldn't be made such a big thing. My suggestion:

'''''Countdown with Keith Olbermann''''' is an hour-long nightly newscast on [[MSNBC]] which airs live at 8:00 PM [[Eastern Standard Time|Eastern time]] and reruns at midnight. The show, hosted by [[Keith Olbermann]], debuted on [[March 31]], [[2003]] and counts down the top news stories of the day with news reports and interviews with guests.

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Infinite Crisis

blah blah blah big event, blah blah blah DC Comics, bla blah blah 80's Crisis

The show is notable for Olbermann's elaborate writing style, fast-paced delivery, historical and pop culture references, and signature witty interjections, which make ''Countdown'' more colorful than average newscasts. Olbermann interleaves serious news stories with humorous segments.

Contents:

1. Countdown to Infinite Crisis: blah blah blah, special issue, blah blah blah miniseries blah blah corners of the DC Universe.

1.1 Miniseries 1

1.2 Miniseries 2

1.3 Miniseries 3

1.4 Miniseries 4

1.5 Other "tie-ins" and such (no ultimately complete issue listing, please)

2. (Actual) Crisis (nothing to be written about it yet, though, except maybe posting the available cover for issue #1, due October 2005)

3. Aftermath (can't see the future, nothing to write yet).

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===Pattern of a typical episode===

It's a format suggestion. I'm not reading the books, so feel free to consider me unbiased or just plain ignorant of the article matter. Someone who knows better, please give this thing proper order. And make the article accesible for everyone.

* #5 story

* ''commercial break''

* #4 story

* ''commercial break''

* Oddball ([[offbeat news]] stories and videos, named as a play on [[Hardball with Chris Matthews]], which precedes ''Countdown'')

* Countdown's "Top 3 newsmakers of this day"

* ''commercial break''

* #3 story

* Top 3 [[Soundbites]] of the day.(Shown occasionally)

* ''commercial break''

* #2 story

* "Keeping Tabs", celebrity and [[tabloid]] news

* Countdown's Worst Person in the World

* ''commercial break''

* #1 story

===Signature Style===

[[User:Xjc|Xjc]] 02:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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Each night, Olbermann signs off with "That's ''Countdown'', thanks for being part of it. Keep your knees loose. Good night and good luck," then crumples up his notes and throws them at the camera.

I think the very existence of entries like this demonstrates what a joke wikipedia is. --[[User:Blue_Spider|Blue Spider]] 13:12, 14 July 2005

: Care to expand upon why you think this shouldn't be here? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 17:32, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

:: I don't want to, but I will. I believe that this series is just something that will be published for a market that's barely an actual percentage of a mass market or pop culture market, have a temporary effect within the realm of comic books and despite hype likely have as much long-term effect as most of the past DC crossover series, the ones I have in mind first being "Genesis", "Day of Judgement", and "Millenium". I don't think it's notable and creating an entry for every single "summer event" series that tickles the sensitivities of comic nerds will just eat up space. It's not likely it will stand the test of time. Having an entry like this is like altering the Superman wikipedia entry every three weeks to reflect whatever "change" is happening in his series. Having an entry like this is almost similar to going to the entry for Lois Lane and announcing the character is dead after reading Superman 219.

On Fridays, the show previously featured "What Have We Learned?" in which Olbermann attempts to answer questions based on the stories he had reported over the past week. This has now been replaced with his top stories of the week, frequently repeats of Oddball clips.

This post deserves to be here simply because Wikipedia does have many entries like this. It should be here; it's one of many examples of why Wikipedia's relevence is in danger and has been.

During the [[Michael Jackson]] trial, Countdown presented renactments of the day's courtroom scenes simply entitled [[Michael Jackson Puppet Theatre]]. These quirky scenes that represented events that Countdown was able to draw from that days' [[courtroom]] [[summariess]]. Countdown employees handled the puppets while Keith himself recorded the [[voices]]. After the [[trial]] ended, it was announced that Puppet Theatre would be used for other events.

If anything, perhaps wiki would be better off to create a seperate wiki comic book reference source entirely. --[User:Blue_Spider|Blue Spider]]

===Guests===

Am I the only person who thinks that the text on the spin-off mini-series should be separate pages, heavily linked from this page?

Among the guest commentators that have appeared on the show are:

--[[User:Sfeldon|Sfeldon]] 16:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

* [[Lewis Black]], [[comedian]](discusses political events)

* [[Pat Buchanan]], [[Conservative]] [[commentator]], former [[U.S. Presidential Candidate]], [[author]](discusses political news.)

* [[Craig Crawford]], [[columnist]] for the ''[[Congressional Quarterly]]''(appears to discuss political topics in [[Washington|Washington D.C.]].)

* [[John Dean]], former [[Nixon]] [[White House aide]](discusses political news, mostly about [[Deep Throat]].

* [[Howard Fineman]], ''[[Newsweek]]'' contributor(discusses [[politics]].)

* [[General]] [[Barry McCaffrey]](ret.)(discusses [[military]] news.)

* [[Michael Musto]], [[editor]] of ''[[Village Voice]]''(discusses most bizarre entertainment news.)

* [[Tom O'Neil]], [[editor]] of ''[[Entertainment Weekly]]''(discusses entertainment news.)

* [[Mo Rocca]], [[comedian]](discusses [[pop culture]] news)

* [[Clint Van Zelt]], former [[FBI]] profiler(discusses abduction stories.)

===Other===

The cleanup notice is because large portions of this read like a compliation of promo quotes rather than an actual article - [[User:SoM|SoM]] 17:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

While other MSNBC shows such as ''[[Scarborough Country]]'', ''[[The Abrams Report]]'' and ''[[Hardball with Chris Matthews]]'' consist mainly of opinion and analysis, ''Countdown'' is a nightly newscast, covering major national and international stories. Clips from NBC network news broadcasts are featured on a regular basis. Olbermann typically treats guests on the show courteously, eschewing the aggressive style of interrogation employed by some of his competitors and colleagues.

I did some stuff. Made the plot summaries into actual summaries and not plot synopses (two different things). It probably needs some spelling checked and grammar fixed. Or you can just revert it (if you liked the earlier monstrosity). I also removed all but the first issues of the countdown books from the gallery (we don't need to see every cover and tie-in fer chrissake). and it really should be called Countdown to Infinite Crisis, since Infinite Crisis hasn't even started yet. i left the Prelude to Infinite crisis section, but removed the panel list. that should be in a page just for prelude (which i don't feel like creating at the moment) - not logged in, but this is [[runciblerabbit]] 01:30, 21 July 2005

According to ''The Cornell Daily Sun'', Olbermann has a staff of roughly 10 to 12 people who work on the show. They spend the morning looking for noteworthy or interesting stories. The group meets via conference call at 11:00 AM for a half-hour discussion to toss around possible subjects for the evening's show (many times pulling information from online sites like [[Fark.com]]). By 12:15, Olbermann receives a final list of story prospects, picks what he likes, and puts them in order. He emails the list back to the staff, and the writing process begins. He arrives at MSNBC's studios in [[Secaucus, New Jersey]] by 2PM and works on writing the show's material in his office until 7:30, when he goes to makeup, before going on air at 8 PM.

Does this page not need to be merged with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_to_Infinite_Crisis

==External links==

Charles Knight

*[http://countdown.msnbc.com/ MSNBC - Countdown with Keith Olbermann Front Page]

*[http://bloggermann.msnbc.com/ Bloggermann, the Countdown blog]

Further to my suggestion (and notice) to merge the pages - it seem that the above page has been wiped out of existance and a redirect placed to here???? None of the copy provided seems to have carried over? That is a shame as I felt that some of the material there was better. I can see no evidence of it being merged in. - Charles Knight

*[http://www.olbermannwatch.com/ Olbermann Watch (Anti-Olbermann Blog by Bob Cox)]

: The content still exists. Just check the history of the Countdown to Infinite Crisis article and you can cut-and-paste to your heart's content. (To bypass the redirect, just click on the wikilink on the line "Redirected from x"). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:35, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

*[http://www.olbermann.org/ Olbermann.org, an Unofficial Keith Olbermann Fan Site]

*[http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/29/41ab4c97a2735 "Counting Down With Keith Olbermann '79"] - ''The Cornell Daily Sun'', November 29, 2004

***Batman: Gotham Knights #65 under Villains United needs to be changed to issue # 66

*[http://fanlist.hinote13.com/countdown/ fanlisting for Countdown with Keith Olbermann]

== Cover gallery ==

We can get rid of the cover gallery, neh? It takes up a lot of space and I think it adds to the supposed adverisement-aura this article has. [[User:KramarDanIkabu|KramarDanIkabu]] 03:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)