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== Lithuania-myth-stub ==

== Requested move at [[Talk:Operation Ostra Brama#Requested move 13 April 2025]] ==

IMO it is needed, because there are about 50-60 stubs, that in my opiniuon are deadends, and now they clog up Lithuania-stub place, and are only relatively related to it.--[[User:Lokyz|Lokyz]] 14:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Operation Ostra Brama#Requested move 13 April 2025]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. '''<span style="font-family: 'Georgia';">[[User:Valorrr|<span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #a6a6a6"><span style="color: #8c8c8c;">Valorrr</span></span>]] <span style="color: #000000">^{([[User talk:Valorrr|<span style="color: #000000"><span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #8c8c8c">lets chat</span></span>]])}</span></span>''' 16:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, that's one thing... I really believe all those stubs should be merged into one article/list because 95% of them are destined to be stubs forever (just there is no info about those reconstructed deities) and all of them have dubious claims. It would be much easier to find out any wrong statements in one big list than in 60 sub-stubs.

:If merged, mythology stub is not needed. [[User:Renata3|Renata]] 17:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

== Collaboration[[Talk:Algirdas of the weekPaleckis]] ==

It would be nice if someone else could take a look at this article. There is one section with (in my view) significant NPOV and OR issues, bordering on [[WP:SOAPBOX]]. [[Special:Contributions/98.170.164.88|98.170.164.88]] ([[User talk:98.170.164.88|talk]]) 17:37, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

is it needed, will someone participate?--[[User:Lokyz|Lokyz]] 14:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

:I believe it's a bit too early for that. First, let's get the whole project up and going. It's a good idea, but now right now and right here. Let's better think what is needed for the project to become alive? Here are some thoughts:

:# Category tree to explain/plan future categories

:# Article index - list of all existing articles about Lithuania and what needs to be done to them; at the same time articles could be assessed (stub-ok-featured; not important-very important). I might attempt to compile the list of articles (more or less from my watchlist)

:# Article talk template - "this article is part of WikiProject Lithuania" (btw, P in wikiproject is capitalized)

:# Compilation of missing articles

:# Comprehensive resource page

:That's just some basic ideas. [[User:Renata3|Renata]] 17:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

::also adding on going votes related with LT [[User:M.K|M.K.]]

== Good article reassessment for [[The Holocaust in Lithuania]] ==

So this is next step:)

[[The Holocaust in Lithuania]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/The Holocaust in Lithuania/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Anyone should free to edit/make this page structure better. For now it is as programmer call it - in early alpha. Altoug, I do have feeling it could become tool.

: sorry I still not see vote issue, could you please point me directly; I do not find it :)[[User:M.K|M.K.]]

:: Discussions ... - if you need a separate section for vote add it, altough, IMO it would seem as a conspiracy untill this page is not official. We could mark this feature as a '' will be enabled out of beta''. Would this satisfy you? because i'm not so eager to vote, I've stated it before.--[[User:Lokyz|Lokyz]] 21:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

::: eee... I mean to notify editors which article related with LT is going a vote procedures like Jogaila was and etc. '' i'm not so eager to vote, I've stated it before.'' -sorry but I did not recall this your statement, maybe I missed some issues...[[User:M.K|M.K.]] 21:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

:In case it is useful for editors looking to improve the article, I will note a recent academic book that is available for free via open access: [https://uplopen.com/books/m/10.1515/9798887194912 ''Crisis, War, and the Holocaust in Lithuania''] (2025). It is one of the most comprehensive works on this subject that I have seen. [[Special:Contributions/98.170.164.88|98.170.164.88]] ([[User talk:98.170.164.88|talk]]) 15:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

== Category ==

== Possible copyright violations by [[User:JorkaSSS]] ==

Should we add <nowiki>[[Category:Lithuania]]</nowiki> (or any othe category) to this, to be accessible by more editors or should we wait?--[[User:Lokyz|Lokyz]] 22:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

:There are many other things to do first. [[User:Renata3|Renata]] 11:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It has recently come to my attention that many edits by {{User|JorkaSSS}} are very closely based on articles from the ''[[Visuotinė lietuvių enciklopedija]]'' (Universal Lithuanian Encyclopedia, VLE). In these edits, JorkaSSS adds direct sentence-by-sentence translations of text from VLE. The translations may not be exact word-for-word matches to the original Lithuanian, in part because English sometimes requires a different grammatical structure, but they are certainly quite close.

==Tasks for the weekend==

So, let's decide what we are going to do over the weekend.

VLE does not seem to be licensed under a [[Wikipedia:Compatible license|Wikipedia-compatible free license]]. Its [https://www.vle.lt/teises-ir-naudojimo-salygos/ Terms of Use] prohibit the reproduction or distribution of its content without the publisher's consent. A translation would count as a [[WP:DERIVATIVE|derivative work]] and would therefore also be prohibited without express permission from VLE's publisher, the [[Science and Encyclopaedia Publishing Centre]].

First, I think, we need to decide if we want to do article assesment on quality (see, for example, {{tl|Grading scheme}}) and/or importance. See for example existing template on [[Talk:Audrys Cardinal Bačkis]]. Should we have one like that? If so, start developing rating standards, rating template, categories, etc.

Here are some examples of affected articles, taken from JorkaSSS's most recent 100 edits (since mid-June). The byte differences include added references and other formatting, not just prose, but they still serve as a rough estimate of the amount of translated text.

Second, start compiling a list of missing articles. Start with really important ones.

* [[Kvass]] ({{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''+800 bytes'''}}, {{diff4|1304722475|diff}})

Third, since Lokyz seems to be the most involved with categories, you could make some sort of category tree to show existing categories and categories that might be needed. (btw, to link a category, you should put : in front of the word category. example: [[:category:Lithuania]]) [[User:Renata3|Renata]] 11:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

* [[Grass snake]] ({{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''+2,500 bytes'''}}, {{diff4|1300317182|diff}})

* [[Skalvians]] ({{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''+2,800 bytes'''}}, {{diff4|1307439440|diff}}). Pre-existing (uncited) content in "History" section was overwritten.

* [[Midsummer]] ({{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''+3,200 bytes'''}} over the course of [[Special:Diff/1294779811/1295248501|3 edits]]; the first paragraph is not copied from VLE)

* [[Saint Jonas's Festival]] ({{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''+4,100 bytes'''}}, {{diff4|1296831243|diff}}; the first paragraph is not copied from VLE)

* [[Lithuanians]] ({{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''+45,000 bytes'''}} over the course of [[Special:Diff/1298222663/1302577220|15 edits]], with small edits by others in between)

I am not posting this to chastise JorkaSSS. I believe that JorkaSSS is editing in [[WP:good faith|good faith]] and is unaware that there is any problem with their approach to adding content. They have been doing the same thing for years without receiving any talk page warnings or other pushback. From what I have observed, JorkaSSS always adds an inline citation to VLE when translating from it, which at least shows that they aren't trying to hide the source.

I have not checked all of their edits in detail, but this problem has been going on since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Latvia%E2%80%93Lithuania_relations&diff=prev&oldid=1178424251 at least 2023]. It would be a good idea for someone to go through their edits, especially the {{color|var(--color-content-added, #006400)|'''large additions'''}} on Lithuania-related articles, and check which ones need to be flagged as copyvios. I'm not sure what the next steps would be, whether to try to rewrite the translated sections to the point that they are no longer derivative of VLE, or to just remove them outright.

(Also, although they haven't been as active on lt.wikipedia, I found [https://lt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Latvijos_ir_Lietuvos_santykiai&diff=prev&oldid=7095782 one instance] where they copied two long paragraphs verbatim from VLE and [https://lt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Estijos_ir_Lietuvos_santykiai&diff=prev&oldid=7160280 another instance] where they copied one paragraph.)

- [[Special:Contributions/98.170.164.88|98.170.164.88]] ([[User talk:98.170.164.88|talk]]) 04:19, 1 September 2025 (UTC)