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::{{ping|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511|access-date=2020-12-20|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|last=Joseph|first=Raveena|date=2014-11-05|title=Busting the Madrasi myth|language=en-IN|work=The Hindu|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece|access-date=2020-12-20|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web|date=2016-11-05|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/|access-date=2020-12-20|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/|access-date=2020-12-20|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|date=2020-03-04|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/|access-date=2020-12-20|website=Qrius|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web|last=Ramnath|first=Nandini|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder|access-date=2020-12-20|website=Scroll.in|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|date=2019-10-21|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/|access-date=2020-12-20|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=India: the north-south disparity|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity|access-date=2020-12-20|website=www.lowyinstitute.org|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|last=VED|first=MAHENDRA|date=2016-07-30|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture|access-date=2020-12-20|website=NST Online|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|last=India TV News Desk|date=2014-11-06|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html|access-date=2020-12-20|website=www.indiatvnews.com|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book|last=Williams|first=Brackette F.|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle|date=1991-04-12|publisher=Duke University Press|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|converse]] &#124; [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
::::I used my sources merely to illustrate how mentioning the pejorative nature of the term is not undue weight, as well as to give an actual demonstration of the term in use. I do not, of course, propose including comments left on news articles on the Internet as reliable sources. However, your argument about BLP is not valid, because in this case the articles on Salil Parekh are not being used to determine if ''he actually said that'' - they are being used to prove that ''the term madrasi is, indeed, a slur''. In [https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511 the NDTV source] it is openly clarified as being a slur, and the whistleblower reports in both [https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/who-are-these-madrasis-and-diva-on-infosys-board/article29768740.ece the Hindu BusinessLine] and [https://www.news18.com/news/india/infosys-says-probing-unethical-practices-after-complaint-by-employees-report-2354639.html at News18] show that it is a foregone conclusion that the term is offensive. Think, too - if it wasn't, why would there be a ruckus? If ''madrasi'' is just a demonym, why was Parekh being accused of saying it a controversy?
::::The 'past 100 years of experts' don't affect the present usage of the term.
::::In the meantime, {{u|Georgethedragonslayer}}, I think [[WP:SFoD]] will interest you :) [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|converse]] &#124; [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 14:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)