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Dispute?
What is current disputed on this page? What would we have to address to be able to remove the neutrality tag on this?2toise 12:13, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I placed the neutrality tag because there us an issue between the view of the Serbs (represented by User:Nikola Smolenski on the one side and the Albanians and the international press represented by User:Dori and some others on the other side. Nikola says the international press does not understand the truth and the reality is different. Dori says that Serbs have been brainwashed and don't understand what is going on. There were several edit wars. Dori gave up. See the page history page. I think there is no other solution as present the views and the arguments of both sides. This is not just a neutrality issue, this also is an issue on facts, derivatively from the issue about which sources should be trusted. However, this a neutrality issue because the facts are to serve to back up political claims.
- I myself have not started rearranging the article as this requires enormous research. Andres 13:29, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I see - can we get specific on any of it - the page history and previous edit wars are rambling rants which touch on many areas, many of which are not even in the article. What in the current article is specifically disputed?2toise 13:34, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Format
What format should this page have? It looks pretty ugly, but perhaps the country format is not the right one? Is there something to give it some consistancy with other similar types of entity?2toise 12:48, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Map
Can we add a map?212.112.96.46 07:32, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- If you have one, please add it. Andres 09:09, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I have a few different ones, mostly from the UN, I am not sure what the copyright status is on them - I'm fairly sure they are PD, also - do we want political (municipalities) or topo?2toise 09:26, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
OK, have found some on the University of texas site that are PD, will upload a topo and a pol, and we can decide which is better.2toise 09:53, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I uploaded:
- 1. Image:UTkosovo rel small 92.jpg (Topographical)
- 2. Image:UTkosovo small pol98.jpg (Political)
- 3. Image:Kosovo_adm_small_98.jpg (Administrative)
- Votes for them here. 2toise
- I think we need both. Andres 11:48, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- The third one is especially valuable. Only the names are hardly readable at least for my browser, in all of them. Andres 21:02, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
No problem - tell me which one you want in more detail, and I'll upload it.2toise 05:44, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- If the political showed some subdivisions or something similar I would vote for both, but as it doesn't show anything that geographical doesn't already, I think that only the geographical is needed. Nikola 19:46, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I actually have one which shows municpal boundaries, but not roads, I will upload it as option 3.2toise 02:59, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- If the political showed some subdivisions or something similar I would vote for both, but as it doesn't show anything that geographical doesn't already, I think that only the geographical is needed. Nikola 19:46, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Can you explain what you mean? I'm not sure I understand.2toise 12:40, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Sorry - I can't read this - could you upload it for us? Thank you!2toise 12:23, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I think that map cannot be uploaded. I'll see if I find some alternative source. Andres 12:37, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, the municipalities of Gora and Opolje are united in one municipality of Dragas so that Albanians would be majority in it and Gorani would not have a municipality on their own. I don't know what do you mean by saying that old divisions aren't annuled - the UNMIK map simply shows one municipality where there were two. I also don't see why this municipality is "superdivision" while other municipalities aren't.
- OK, then I was wrong when I thought that the old municipalities were not altered. (Still I guess there were not many alterations though the alterations made were important.)
- But by "superdivisions" I meant "regions", something like provinces, UNMIK's administrative units, each of them comprises several municipalities. The centre of one of them is Pec, and it comprises not only the municipality of Pec but also some neighbouring municipalities. Andres 12:37, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- These must be counties. They also existed before, but are not shown on the map. Nikola 07:25, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, the municipalities of Gora and Opolje are united in one municipality of Dragas so that Albanians would be majority in it and Gorani would not have a municipality on their own. I don't know what do you mean by saying that old divisions aren't annuled - the UNMIK map simply shows one municipality where there were two. I also don't see why this municipality is "superdivision" while other municipalities aren't.
- But I also have to object on another matter - why would municipalities of Kosovo be talked about on this page and not on Municipalities of Serbia and Montenegro or similar page, as is the case with all other countries? Nikola 12:17, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Well, that's the old saw, isn't it - you're really talking about whether the whole page should be moved into the Serbia and Montenegro page. While that's an interesting discussion, I'd like to suggest that we keep it separate from whether, and which, map of Kosovo we put on whichever page. 2toise 12:23, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Well, no, Kosovo needs its own page. But its internal structure (IMO) needs not be described on that page, and if the internal structure is not described, then the map of it is needless. Nikola 07:25, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Fair enough, where would you put one? Does it fit onto the S&M pages?2toise 07:32, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Thank you, 2toise! The map is perfect.
- I still think the other map fits only onto this page here. And the internal structure of Kosovo and Metohia (both municipalities abd regions) should be described here even if this decription is redundant. Andres 08:22, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I don't think there's a problem putting the other map as well - give it a try.2toise 13:57, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Other
Made some reorganisations to put it in the same format as other places, all content is preserved. 2toise 12:50, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Discrimination?
If Serbs living in Kosovo have only alleged to be discriminated by Albanians, why would Milosevic instantly become their hero when he pledged to stop the discrimination? Don't you see that what you write doesn't even have internal consistence? Nikola 04:34, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)