Requests for comment/Support collaboration on Pashto Wikipedia/Requests/Seendgay: Difference between revisions

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at last i request him kindly to come and stand beside us to work for the betterment of pashto wiki.

no one will be hidden behind a veil for destructive aims. {{unsigned|عثمان منصور انصاري}}

20:24, 26 April 2015‎

:Thanks, Uthman Mansur. It is difficult for the world community to verify what you are claiming, but it's plausible. I see much that is hopeful in your comment. First of all, the world community can easily recognize edit warring. To handle edit warring, while at the same time seeking consensus, indef blocks should never be used, right? Rather, there are warnings (which really should be supportive "guidance"), and if the warnings are disregarded, then short blocks, and only if this becomes very commonly necessary are blocks escalated in length.

:With a scattered community without a single established literature, if that's the case, what is "correct" can be unclear. I do think it useful for an encyclopedia to use what would be used academically.

:Is Seendgay a "PhD in Pashto literature," or was that the claim of an upset teenager, perhaps, who, anonymous, could say anything? The user has not claimed it here. In any case, this is why encyclopedias use reliable sources, not "expert opinion."

:On en.wikiversity, when we see immature editing, we guide the user to what can mature the user, since education, "learning by doing," is part of our purpose. That's more difficult on encyclopedia projects, which don't have that purpose; however, if you want to grow the community, provide support and education, and avoid blame and rejection. Administratively, that takes firm patience.

:Your offer to work together with Seendgay in certain areas is a great idea. I hope the user will take you up on it. Cooperation builds trust and expands.

:The issues around articles on sex can be very difficult. There is conflict worldwide over this. In the end, what is needed is a community that develops the habit of seeking and finding consensus, not just "winning."

:The world community will support using academic language, which might indeed involve Arabic terms, or the like, but the world community cannot itself make the judgment. It has to be the Pashto community, and the way the Pashto community will resolve this is by discussing it there, with civility, which will probably take forgiveness for what happened before, and reaching out and working together. Practically, how it will be expressed is by editing the articles, avoiding edit warring, but for multiple users to support a clear goal, perhaps "non-vulgar language."

:In your edit summary, you had: ''(→‎no betterment of seendgay has been seen)''. I suggest that you apologize to Seendgay for this, because there is obvious improvement ''here.'' Above, Seendgay acknowledged using "words in low-level Peshawar dialect."

:While your comments are still somewhat uncivil -- you have yourself been upset --, they also are helping get to the root of the conflict. So I see improvement for you, as well. Keep it up, and you will all do well. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 15:10, 27 April 2015 (UTC)