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'''Saarland''' is one of the 16 [[states of Germany]]. The capital is [[Saarbrücken]]. It has an area of 2570 km² and 1.08 million inhabitants. In both area and population it is the smallest of the German ''Flächenländer'' ("area states"), i.e., those that are not [[City State]]s ([[Berlin]], [[Bremen (state)|Bremen]] and [[Hamburg]]).

== CrutchGeography ==

The state borders [[France]] (département of the [[Moselle]]) in the south and west, [[Luxembourg]] in the west and [[Rhineland-Palatinate|Rheinland-Pfalz]] in the north and the east.

Crutch is not a typo. It means crotch. [[User:Krisjohn|Krisjohn]]

Krisjohn is right. Even as an urban Australian boy I know what the correct name for the back end of a sheep is. Please don't take this the wrong way. [[User:Oska|Oska]] 02:35, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

== Mulesing/Crutching ==

It seems the words [[crutching]] and [[mulesing]] mean the same. Shouldn't we add a redirect or link to either? Both entries have valuable information.

[[User:Nichiran|Nichiran]] 17:53, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

==== Paper article: genetic mutation end of mulesing? ====

Another thing: I found a scanned piece of newspaper on a friend's webpage stating that thanks to a genetic mutation in some sheep, mulesing may be unnecessary for those. [http://tmst.twu.net/rnd/barebumbaabaa.gif Picture] Would it be permitted and would it do the article good if I (or someone else) were to reproduce it in my (their) own words?

[[User:Nichiran|Nichiran]] 18:14, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

Crutching is shearing the wool from around the anus of a sheep. It requires some effort to marshal the sheep and have to manually shear them. If it didn't need to be done it wouldn't. Any procedure which involves having to handle animals like sheep is possibly stressful to the animals and considerations need to be taken to reduce such interactions. (I grew up on a farm and did rouse-about work, and my father is a shearer).

It is not a pretty sight seeing flystrike. Live maggots crawling about the flesh of the sheep.

{{unsigned||}}

<p>[[Crutching]] involves removing (cutting) [[wool]]. [[Mulesing]] involves removing (cutting) [[skin]]. When done to [[sheep]], there is wool attached to the skin that is cut off during mulesing. This is the only way they are similar.

I don't know that anyone does mulesing to anything other than a sheep, but I don't know that they don't, either.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

==POV template==

This article desperately needs the attention of someone who is not an animal rights activist and knows something about sheep. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 15:12, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've cleaned up a bit by removing some superfluous information that seemed to stem from bias and fixing some grammar. I will probably continue to do as time permits. --[[User:208.44.234.50|208.44.234.50]] 00:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Most of the article currently looks good, except for the persistent efforts to demoniza PETA. Saying it is "linked to enviro terrorist groups" is definitely not NPOV. I'm generally down with animal rights; at the same time, I have no idea whether mulesing should or should not happen because I don't know enough about the specific situation of Australian sheep farming, and in fact I'm at this moment making a scarf out Australian merino wool. Ozdaren: there are skillions of other places on the web for you to put forth your views about PETA, in as much detail as you'd like--[[WP:NOT#SOAP|Wikipedia is not a soapbox]]. [[User:PoetrixViridis|PoetrixViridis]] 16:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

==Topical==

It seems from my experience (20 years of farming, currently ageed 26) that mulesing is a very effective and inexpensive way of dealing with flystrike. I find the practice some what disturbing and do not appreciate carrying it out. Though in farming terms there is probably less bloody/mess/effort than assited birth or treating ... flystrike. If farmers didn't have to mulse, they wouldn't. No one wants to do it but it's just something that has to be done for the wellbeing of the animal. Cutting off dags (yes feices!) and handling it is not a great job either but we do it for the wellbeing of the animal.

Mulsing was developed in Australia for Australian conditions. Culturely Australia (especially the bush, ''who let all these flies in?'') has a large population of flies. Mulesing in England seems like a bad idea... mulesing in Russia seems like a bad idea... but this is from an extremely ignorant point of view who has never been to sheep farms in England or Russia. In Australia though it really helps us out alot.

If you have ever had to treat flystrike you would consider mulsing as a needle prick. On smaller animals >2 months recovery time is incredibly quick and the discomfort certainly seems less that a human receving a tatoo. Maybe a bad comparison? Treating flystrike is one of the worst jobs someone can do. Working at a rubbish tip or sewerage plant would probably be more visually acceptable and wouldn't smell so bad. If you want to get an idea of it go leave a piece of meat out in the sun for a week during summer..., then get a pair of scissors and scrape of the maggots and poor some oniment over it.... nice. Admittedly you miss out on catching the animal, trying to treat it without causing discomfort to the animal that is moving about and removing the wool around the infection.

Sure we could gentically engineer our sheep to be resistant to fly strike... Great... GE sheep...

I'm probably coming from the non-animal activist side a bit too much... so I'm assuming my additions will be removed.--[[User:Viper233|Viper233]] 22:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

: Actually, I would hope that the POV of an Australian farmer would be included. The unique situation of Australia and New Zealand definitely deserves some place as long as it's substantiated and verifiable. --[[User:208.44.234.50|208.44.234.50]] 00:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

::Well - I used to live on a farm where we mulsed but my parents are retired now. I used to hold lambs to be mulesed and I have never seen anywhere near as much damage inflicted as I have on the photos being used to get mulesing banned.

::Re reducing incidence of fly strike through genetic engineering - it was only selective breeding for more prominant wrinkles and extremely heavy fleece weight (in a hot country!) that makes merinos so seceptible to fly strike in Australia anyway. Give it another 20 generations of selective breeding (that's ''only'' 40 or so years) and the problem ''could'' be very reduced. Genetic engineering would only assist by speeding up that process. Embryo transplants are easily carried out on sheep which would allow flock sheep to become donor mothers for stud ''wrinkle free'' merinos which would greatly reduce time for flocks to become less wrinkly. Anyway, it's hardly an issue while most of the sheep grazing areas of Australia are drought declared and carrying only 20% of normal stocking rates. Many farmers aren't even running rams with ewes until conditions improve anyway so flock size is decreasing fairly quickly. But not like in the 80's where many farmers euthenased >80% of their flock due to drop in wool price.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: A small-scale sheep cockie told me the other day that most shearers tend to nick the edge of the vulva, leading to more urine getting in the wool, leading to more fly strike. More careful shearing a (more expensive?) alternative to mulesing? Doesn't help the whethers, though. [[User:Callophylla|Callophylla]] 08:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

:: Or wethers, rather. My bad. Sorry. [[User:Callophylla|Callophylla]] 04:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

== still not perfect, but... ==

took out alot of emotive language and vagueries

content was ok however, style was much too subjective

== Mulesing in New Zealand ==

According [[Federated Farmers]] mulesing is not carried out in New Zealand [http://www.stuff.co.nz/3906453a1860.html]. This needs to be verified and and used to update the article. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 06:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

:I've found that according to the Federated Farmers, 4% of sheep in New Zealand are currently mulesed.[http://www.abc.net.au/rural/tas/stories/s1223261.htm]. No other leads though. I'd be interested if that's true since New Zealand doesn't attract the same controversy as Australia has recently. --[[User:208.44.234.50|208.44.234.50]] 00:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

::PETA is upset about both mulesing and live sheep export - I don't know that NZ do both those activities? PETA has more members in Australia than NZ too I expect. Australia is more urbanised than NZ. So animal husbandry practices aren't as everyday to the urbanised Australian PETA members compared to the more likely to be rural PETA members in NZ. [[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:::<blockquote>It is less prevalent in New Zealand where about one-third of merino sheep farmers are understood to still practice mulesing. </blockquote>[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=10416439][[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 02:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Note, although there are almost 40 million sheep in NZ, only about 2million are Merino's - same ref. [[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 02:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I can't seem to find the (NZ) Animal Welfare Act 1999 on the web. I ''think'' that would discuss the legal status of mulesing in NZ. I gather it is not particluarly covered by any legislation - so if someone was taken to court for cruelty I think if they could show they are following a code of practice (and the NZ MAF seem to have one?) then they would be OK... ? [[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 03:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Photos of anti-mulesing activism ==

One possible source of anti-mulesing activism photos might be [http://www.animalactivism.org/campaigns/live-exports/Brisbane_Demonstrations_33.php?v=1&p=95#photos this animal activism web site]. There's a photo of Lucy the Sheep with Latham and Beatie. We'd probably have to ask for licensing though. [[User:Andjam|Andjam]] 11:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

During the [[ACOTF]] I asked for permission, or for an interested member there to contribute a photo. No response, and no images to date.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 21:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Legal status in the UK ==

Second sentence of the lead paragraph makes it sound as though the reference covers legal status of Mulsing in the UK. But it doesn't.

Can anyone identify a source for legal status in UK? I will ask on the [[docking]] article too.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: The same BBC article that talks about Pink says it is illegal in the UK, but a legal source is proving difficult to find. There seem to be a plethora of vegetarian/vegan websites that make that claim. --[[User:76.214.201.157|76.214.201.157]] 06:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::It is strange to me that there is a law for a practice which seems unlikely to be needed - it's like banning outdoor snowskiing in the UAE - given the flock sizes, breeds, and agricultural conditions in the UK. I think the climate in the UK probably isn't all that supportive of large populations of ''Lucillia cuprina'', the main fly linked to fly strike (in Australia at least, and fly strike is that controllable in the UK I haven't seen mention of any contributing factors online).

::BTW. I'm sorry but I didn't see that your edit was less POV than the one it replaced. In addition it removed the {{tl:unsourced}} tag even though it was no better sourced. That was my main reason for restoring the previous edit.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 01:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

:::I have re-read [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6196691.stm this], but I don't see where it mentions that mulesing is illegal in the UK?[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 01:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: No problems. The statement regarding the legal status of mulesing in the UK is under subhead "Pink Video" and reads, "The mini-film on the Peta website features lambs undergoing mulesing, which is illegal in the UK." --[[User:208.44.234.50|208.44.234.50]] 19:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you for pointing that out - the statement has been removed a couple of times because nobody had noticed this part of the article. I will directly cite the statement.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 21:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Changed the statement re illegal status in Britain to reflect the references, I think it should stay like that unless a real reference can be found. As the claim is "it is illegal" the real reference is the law it is illegal under. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 21:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The [[BBC]] is a reliable source for matters of law in the [[United Kingdom]]. [[User:Prester John|Prester John]] 19:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== /*history*/ reference ==

[http://www.convictcreations.com/animals/flies.htm] is provided as an in-line reference to the history section. But it is not a particularly great source and the article does not make any attempt to compare fly density in Australia with any other sheep producing country.

Yes flies are common in Australia but only certain flies contribute to fly-strike so surely there is a better reference than this?[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:This is better: <nowiki><ref name = "AWI Blowfly"> {{cite web |title = Battling the blowfly – plan for the future |url = http://www.wool.com.au/mediaLibrary/attachments/Publications/insight_Blowfly_211106.pdf |format = pdf | date = [[3 June]][[2006]]| accessdate = 2007-01-09 | isbn = 1920908218 | author = Jules Dorrian | publisher = Australian Wool Innovation }}</ref></nowiki>

:It discusses ''Lucillia cuprina's'' introduction into Australia.

[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 01:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Code of practice reference ==

Sorry if this annoys anyone but this is the current model code of practice for sheep from CSIRO. Appendix 4 deals specifically with Mulesing.

Is there an article on [[pizzle dropping]]? <small>It's red so I guess not.</small> If [[PETA]] don't like mulesing, what have they got to say about cutting skin in front of the penis of an animal to reduce staining of wool (and as a bonus reduce fly-strike)?

<nowiki><ref name = "Model Code"> {{cite web

|url = http://www.publish.csiro.au/nid/22/pid/5389.htm

|title = The Sheep - Second Edition

|work = Model Code of Practice for the Welfare of Animals

|publisher = [[CSIRO]] Publishing

|author = Primary Industries Ministerial Council

|date=2006

|ISBN 0 643 09357 5

|accessdate=2007-01-09 }}</ref></nowiki>

[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 03:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== External links ==

It should be noted that most of the pictures I have seen visiting the various animal welfare organisation sites, show animals which have been mulsed other than in accordance with the recommended techniques (ie, done badly). This is why there is so much blood in most of the photos - which are inherently POV photos taken and distributed with the goal to incite feelings that this practice should be ceased.

I am all for banning people who don't know what they are doing, from taking a cutting implement to an animal (or a burning implement for that matter). But taking photos of people who are doing it wrong, and using them to ban the practice altogether, is not exactly NPOV.

Unfortunately there are very few photos of well-mulesed sheep around. I think the article would be greatly improved by providing a clearly labelled picture of a sheep which '''has'' been mulsed in accordance with the recommendations of DPI, CSIRO etc.

[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 04:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== Article photo ==

The photo in the article strongly POV from an animal welfare position. Clearly in this photo the code of practice has not been followed - "no other tissue such as selvage, muscle or other underlying tissue are to be removed or cut".

It is not representative of responsible use of this practice.

As it is a POV photo I strongly feel it should be removed.

At the very least - the caption should acknowledge the source.

The imgage itself has been uploaded by [[user:Funkwaxpuppy]] whose only contributions have been to upload this image - without acknowleging a source - and to link it to this article.

Having said that - I acknowledge I have my own POV concerns here being a realist in terms of the use of this technique (that is - it is cost effective and if done correctly does more good than harm - but there may well be better techniques around for the appropriate care of sheep).[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 04:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:As the image was not attributed I have tagged it with {{tl:unverified}} and removed it from this article. ''If'' the image is correctly attributed it would be best to note the source in the caption.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 04:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Bad time for photos, mulseing is done just after lambing, October or May, and we are in the middle of the worse drought since federation so I don't think there will be many may lambs this year.[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 12:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I know that much... I was hoping that maybe some of the journals / other references would include a photo of how it ''should'' be done, rather than the PETA photos of how to ''not'' do it.

:Personally - if that's how everyone does mulesing, the sooner it's banned the better. But when I've been involved there's more blood from the tail docking than the mulesing, and that's only temporary - if there's blood it means you aren't finished yet. The sheep's pretty clean by the time it's out of the cradle.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

::I am left wondering if the cruelty was performed by PETA to get the photograph. It would not be the the worse thing they have done.[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 09:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== China, South Africa ==

China produces more wool than Australia. The major problem fly for Australia is from South Africa, which also has merinos.

What is the status of mulesing in these countries? If Mulesing was routine in China - could PETA do anything about it? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] ([[User talk:GarrieIrons|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|contribs]]) 02:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

Australia produces 25% of the worlds wool, Chine 18%. When it comes to merino wool production ( that is where the problem is) Australia produces over 50% of the worlds production. South Africa produces 1% of the worlds wool production. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 12:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

==I think there is too much on the politics and not enough about the what and how==

Late at night, some random words. I will try and do some diagrams tomorrow night [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 13:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Mulesing involves increasing of the bear area around the breech by surgically removing wool bearing skin. It is done to reduce the risk of fly strike.

Numerous field trials have shown the benefit of mulseing sheep that are to be retained for breeding or wool production, field surveys done over 2 years in N.S.W. found that mulesing decreased the incident of flystrike by 90% <ref> {{cite journal

| quotes =

| last = Watts

| first = J.E.

| authorlink =

| coauthors = Murray, M.D. and Graham , N.P.H.

| date =

| year = 1979

| month =

| title = The blowfly strike problem in New South Wales

| journal = Aust. Vet.

| volume =

| issue = 55

| pages = 325 - 34

| doi =

| id =

| url =

| language =

| format =

| accessdate =

}}

</ref>. Prime lambs and British breeds are unlikely to benefit

<ref>

{{cite paper

| author = Morley, F.H.W., and Johnstone,I.L.

| title = Mulseing operation- a review of development and adaption.

| publisher = Proceedings of the Second National Symposium - Sheep Blowfly and FlyStrike in Sheep, Sydney.

| date = 1983

}}

</ref>.

It is named after the [[Saar River]], which is a [[tributary]] of the [[Moselle River]] (a [[Rhine]] tributary) and runs through the state from the south to the northwest. Most inhabitants live in a city agglomeration on the French border, surrounding the capital of Saarbrücken.

The operation was first described by J.H.W. Mule in 1930, since then the recommended method has been modified and improved. The current practice is to remove a V of wool bearing extending one-third of the length of a tail that has been [[docked]] below the third [[palpable]] joint. The breech cuts commence next to the base of the tail and extend along the edge of the natural bear area that is below the tail and finish halfware between the [[anus]] and the [[hock]].

See also [[List of places in Saarland]].

Sound planning is required to minimise stress imposed on the lambs. To reduce the stress the operation is best performed within 2 to 8 week of lambing. A well designed vaccination program for the control of [[clostridial]] disease needs to be in place to eliminate the risk of these diseases following marking and mulesing. Infection risk is reduced by constructing temporary yards out in the paddock. Temporary yards facilitate the post operation mothering of ewes and lambs. A well planned operation reduces the mustering time and allows the lambs to cool down before the operations are started.

Saarland is divided into six districts:

Mulseing shears need to be sterilized, sharp and in sound working condition before the operations starts, and should be disinfected at regular intervals

<ref>{{cite book

| last = Cottle

| first = D.J.

| title = Australian Sheep and Wool Handbook

| publisher = Inkata Press

| date = 1991

| ___location = Melbourne, Australia

| pages = 20-23

| id = ISBN 0-909605-60-2 }}</ref>.

[[image:saarland map.png]]

:Firstly - wikipedia is not a how-to manual so we don't need to go into what and how ''too much''.

:I think though, that a lot of this is already throughout the article. Also - there seems to be a bit of change going on with the ''approved practice'' of Mulesing in Australia. It would not suprise me if soon, the code of practice does not require pain relief. So - I think it would be best to refer the reader to the code of practice rather than attempt to give anything like instructions for how to do it...

# [[Merzig-Wadern]]

I agree. My heading said it all "random words", first time I have done something like this and my thought was the best help I could give was random words.[[User:61.9.139.165|61.9.139.165]] 08:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

# [[Neunkirchen (district)|Neunkirchen]]

# [[Saarbrücken (district)|Saarbrücken]]

# [[Saarlouis (district)|Saarlouis]]

# [[Saarpfalz]]

# [[Sankt Wendel (district)|Sankt Wendel]]

== History After World War I ==

:What we do need a reference for, is

In [[1920]] the [[Saargebiet]] was created in accordance with the [[Treaty of Versailles]]. It comprised portions of the [[Prussia]]n [[Rhine Province]] and the [[Bavaria]]n [[Rhenish Palatinate]]. The area was put under the control of the [[League of Nations]] represented by the following Chairmen of the Commission of Government:

* it was invented by Mules

*26 February 1920 - 18 March 1926 Victor Rault (France) (b. 1858 - d. 19..)

*18 March 1926 - 8 June 1927 George Washington Stephens (Canada) (b. 1866 - d. 1942)

*8 June 1927 - 1 April 1932 Sir Ernest Colville Collins Wilton (UK) (b. 1870 - d. 1952)

*1 April 1932 - 1 March 1935 Geoffrey George Knox (from 1935, Sir Geoffrey George Knox) (UK) (b. 1884 - d. 1958)

It was in practice administered by [[France]] for 15 years.

In [[1933]], a considerable number of anti-[[Nazism|Nazi]] Germans fled to the Saar, as it was the only remaining part of Germany that was neither annexed by foreign countries ([[Memelland]]) nor under the political control of the [[Third Reich]].

Cottle states that the operation was first described by Mules during the 1930's, it does not say he invented it. I will try and find something. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 10:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

As a result, anti-Nazi groups campaigned heavily for the Saarland to remain under French control as long as [[Adolf Hitler]] ruled Germany, but only a small number of people favored that condition.

* early trials which found it to reduce incidence of fly strike

When the original 15-year-term was over, a [[plebiscite]] was held in the territory on [[13 January]] [[1935]]: 90.3% of those voting favored joining [[Germany]].

I gave a couple of reference above; unfortunately it is a trip to Werribee to get more. There is a mountain load of stuff available.[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 08:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The Nazis appointed Josef Bürckel (b. 1895 – d. 1944) on 1 March 1935 as ''[[Reichskommissar]] für die Rückgliederung des Saarlandes''. When the reincorporation was considered accomplished, his title was changed (afer 17 June 1936) to ''Reichskommissar für das Saarland''. A further change was made after 8 April 1940 to ''Reichskommissar für die Saarpfalz''; finally, after 11 March 1941, he was made ''[[Reichsstatthalter]] in der "Westmark"'' (the region's new name, meaning "Western [[Marches|March]] or Border"), till 28 September 1944, when he was succeeded by Willi Stöhr (b. 1903, also NSDAP), until 21 March 1945.

* current statement in /*Method*/, "The non-wooled skin which is around the anus (and vulva in ewes) is pulled tight as the cut heals and results in a smooth area that does not get fouled by excreta or urine."

== History After World War II ==

:Your two journal references are excellent and I think would be best worked into a new section, /*Indicators*/ or similar (it is a vetinary/medical procedure after all).

{{main|Saar (protectorate)}}

:I have used one of the references in the end of /*Comparison to crutching*/ where it discusses lambs being slaughtered.

After [[World War II]] the Saarland came under French administration again, as the [[Saar (1947–1957)|Saar Protectorate]].

[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 22:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

An official reason for that was given by the United States [[Secretary of State]] [[James F. Byrnes]] in a speech [http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/ga4-460906.htm] in 1946 as "The United States does not feel that it can deny to France, which has been invaded three times by Germany in 70 years, its claim to the Saar territory".

==References==

<references />

The [[Morgenthau Plan]] of 1944, which became heavily entrenched in parts of the U.S. government, might also have influenced the U.S. decision to transfer the Saar to France, as it spelled out the need to cripple Germany industrially in order to preclude future wars. To achieve this goal, Germany would, amongst other things, have to surrender the areas richest in industry or the minerals necessary for industrial production (coal and iron). These areas included [[Silesia]], the [[Ruhr area]] and the Saarland.

== Something interesting from the UK ==

The [[Saar (1947–1957)|Saar Protectorate]] was headed by a military governor from 30 August 1945: Gilbert Yves Édmond Grandval (b. 1904 - d. 1981), who remained on 1 January 1948 as [[High Commissioner]], and January 1952 - June 1955 as the first of two French ambassadors, his successor being Eric de Carbonnel (b. 1910 - d. 1965) until 1956.

I was looking for something to go with "mulesing is illegal in the UK..." and I got this:

Saarland, however, was allowed a regional administration very soon, consecutively headed by:

<blockquote>

*a President of the Government:

Britain produces less than 5% of world wool and is unable to influence the international market, which has suffered through generally reduced demand and little activity in China. In addition, because of adverse currency rates, in particular the strength of the $US, British Wool prices have suffered, in the same way as lamb prices, by being uncompetitive with comparable New Zealand types.

**31 July 1945 - 8 June 1946: Hans Neureuther, Non-party

*a Chairman of the (until 15 December 1947, Provisional) Administration Commission:

** 8 June 1946 - 20 December 1947: Erwin Müller (b. 1906 - d. 1968), Non-party

*Minister-presidents (as in any ''Bundesland''):

**20 December 1947 - 29 October 1955 Johannes Hoffmann (b. 1890 - d. 1967), CVP

**29 October 1955 - 10 January 1956 Heinrich Welsch (b. 1888 - d. 1976), Non-party

**10 January 1956 - 4 June 1957 Hubert Ney (b. 1892 - d. 1984), [[Christian Democratic Union (Germany)|CDU]]

In [[1954]], France and the [[Federal Republic of Germany]] (West Germany) developed a detailed plan called the ''Saarstatut'' to establish an independent Saarland, but a plebiscite rejected it by 67.7%. On [[October 27]], [[1956]], the [[Saar Treaty]] established that Saarland should be allowed to join the Federal Republic of Germany, which it did on [[January 1]], [[1957]].

However, it's still worth bearing in mind that French producers will be lucky to receive 23p/kg that, elsewhere in Europe, the price is so low that it is not worth moving off the farm and that, without the Wool Board British farmers would now have to pay to dispose of their wool.

The Saarland's reunification with the Federal Republic of Germany was sometimes referred to as the ''kleine Wiedervereinigung'' ("small reunification", in contrast with the post-Cold War reabsorption of the [[GDR]]). Even after reunification, the [[Saar franc]] remained as the territory's currency, until West Germany's [[Deutsche Mark]] replaced it on [[July 7]], [[1959]]. The Saar Treaty established that [[French language|French]], not [[English language|English]] as in the rest of West Germany, should remain the first foreign language taught in Saarland schools; this provision is still largely followed today, although no longer binding.

Now classed as a category 3 animal by-product waste, unwanted fleeces can only be incinerated and not burned, or buried, on-farm. In order to handle wool, all Wool Board depots are now required to have a Bio-Security clearance certificate and DEFRA is looking at on-farm collection centres.

== Other ==

</blockquote> from [http://www.britishwool.org.uk/article.asp?pageid=74&newsid=356 "The British Wool Marketing Board", Sheep Farmer - Wool Update - July/August, 01/07/06]

The [[Saarland national football team|Saar]] competed in the qualifying section of the [[Football World Cup 1954|1954 football World Cup]], but failed after coming second to [[Germany national football team|West Germany]] but ahead of [[Norway national football team|Norway]]. It also competed in the [[1952 Summer Olympics]] (see [[Saar at the 1952 Summer Olympics]]).

From 1920 to 1935, and then from 1947 to 1959, the inhabitants used [[postage stamp]]s issued specially for the territory; see [[postage stamps and postal history of the Saar]] for details.

ie - without subsidy in the UK it's not worth moving wool off the farm it's produced on - compared to in Australia where the 5+ year old merino weather is the waste product which we ship off to the UAE to get rid of.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 02:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

:(but I still can't find a source for the law in the UK)[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 02:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

In 1954, the Paris mint coined 10, 20, and 50 "franken" pieces. The following year a 100 franken was also minted. After reunification Saarland switched to the West German mark.

Between 1950 and 1956, Saarland was a member of the [[Council of Europe]].

Generally Wool from British breeds is very course and the wool density is not high, that is why there is no value in mulesing British breeds even in Australia ( we have them for meat production). The courseness is why the wool has no value. (it is the same in Australia, there is little value in shearing the course wool, it is just something you have to do). As Britain doesn't even have the flies it would never have been as issue. I doubt very much that there is such a law, it much more likely to be missrepresentation by someone from PETA ( who would think such a thing). My view is the sentance should be removed unless a reference is found. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 09:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Rulers in the Saarland ==

:I agree and I'm removing the statement. Anyone who can source it is free to put it back. Chances are they just don't have a code of practice for it but that's a lot different to it being illegal.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 13:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

# [[1920]] - [[1926]]: [[Victor Rault]] ([[France]])

# [[1926]] - [[1927]]: [[George Washington Stephens]] ([[Canada]])

# [[1927]] - [[1932]]: Sir [[Ernest Colville Collins Wilton]] ([[United Kingdom]])

# [[1932]] - [[1935]]: [[Geoffrey George Knox]] ([[United Kingdom]])

# [[1935]] - [[1944]]: [[Josef Bürckel]] ([[National Socialist German Workers' Party|NSDAP]])

# [[1944]] - [[1945]]: [[Willi Stöhr]] ([[National Socialist German Workers' Party|NSDAP]])

# [[1945]] - [[1946]]: [[Hans Neureuther]]

# [[1946]] - [[1947]]: [[Erwin Müller]]

# [[1947]] - [[1955]]: [[Johannes Hoffmann (born 1890)|Johannes Hoffmann]] ([[Christian People's Party (Germany)|CVP]])

# [[1955]] - [[1956]]: [[Heinrich Welsch]] (no party)

# [[1956]] - [[1957]]: [[Hubert Ney]] ([[Christian Democratic Union of Germany|CDU]])

# [[1957]] - [[1959]]: [[Egon Reinert]] ([[Christian Democratic Union of Germany|CDU]])

# [[1959]] - [[1979]]: [[Franz Josef Röder]] ([[Christian Democratic Union of Germany|CDU]])

# [[1979]] - [[1985]]: [[Werner Zeyer]] ([[Christian Democratic Union of Germany|CDU]])

# [[1985]] - [[1998]]: [[Oskar Lafontaine]] ([[Social Democratic Party of Germany|SPD]])

# [[1998]] - [[1999]]: [[Reinhard Klimmt]] ([[Social Democratic Party of Germany|SPD]])

# since [[1999]]: [[Peter Müller (German politician)|Peter Müller]] ([[Christian Democratic Union of Germany|CDU]])

== AnotherSeptember thing5, we2004 havestate toelection do.==

''See also: [[Saarland state election, 2004]]''

{| class="wikitable"

We have to get someone to go to [[Abercrombie & Fitch Co.]] and see if they are stocking wool products. I have just returned from the USA and as I am interested in textiles I look at what is in the stores, they still haven't discovered good quality woollen jumpers but they have discovered good quality woollen suits. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 09:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

|- bgcolor=lightgrey

:I have taken the novel approach of leaving a message on the talk page. I'm assuming this is re: the PETA thing.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 21:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

! | Party

! | Party List votes

! | Vote percentage

! | Total Seats

! | Seat percentage

|-

| [[Christian Democratic Union of Germany|Christian Democratic Union]] (CDU)

| align="right" | 209,690

| align="right" | 47.5% (+2.0)

| align="right" | 27 (+1)

| align="right" | 52.9%

|-

| [[Social Democratic Party of Germany|Social Democratic Party]] (SPD)

| align="right" | 136,224

| align="right" | 30.8% (-13.6)

| align="right" | 18 (-7)

| align="right" | 35.3%

|-

| [[Alliance '90/The Greens]] (Grüne)

| align="right" | 24,830

| align="right" | 5.6% (+2.4)

| align="right" | 3 (+3)

| align="right" | 5.9%

|-

| [[Free Democratic Party (Germany)|Free Democratic Party]] (FDP)

| align="right" | 22,842

| align="right" | 5.2% (+2.6)

| align="right" | 3 (+3)

| align="right" | 5.9%

|-

| [[National Democratic Party of Germany|National Democratic Party]] (NPD)

| align="right" | 17,590

| align="right" | 4.0% (+4.0)

| align="right" | 0 (+0)

| align="right" | 0.0%

|-

| [[Family Party of Germany|Family Party]]

| align="right" | 13,106

| align="right" | 3.0% (+2.0)

| align="right" | 0 (+0)

| align="right" | 0.0%

|-

| [[Party of Democratic Socialism]] (PDS)

| align="right" | 10,240

| align="right" | 2.3% (+1.5)

| align="right" | 0 (+0)

| align="right" | 0.0%

|-

| [[Grey Panthers Party of Germany|The Grays]]

| align="right" | 6,285

| align="right" | 1.4% (+1.4)

| align="right" | 0 (+0)

| align="right" | 0.0%

|-

| All Others

| align="right" | 821

| align="right" | 0.2% (-2.3)

| align="right" | 0 (+0)

| align="right" | 0.0%

|-

|- bgcolor=lightgrey

! | '''Totals'''

! align="right" | 441,628

! align="right" | 100.0%

! align="right" | 51

! align="right" | 100.0%

|}

[[Image:2004 saarland landtag result.png|thumbnail|450px|Seat results -- SPD in red, CDU in black, Greens in green, FDP in yellow]]

==genetic weaknesses==

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==Language==

"An additional argument is that mulesing may mask genetic susceptibility to fly strike". It may be a PETA argument but it is not an argument for not mulesing ewes. Unless it is a double stud the Australian merino stud practice is to keep data on the ram and not the ewes. As you use one ram to about 50 ewes this reduced the work required to keep large stud flocks. So if your interested in breeding "bear bum" sheep you would mules the ewes and not the rams.This however is not the place to deal with PETA's misrepresentation of the facts.[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 09:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

{{unreferenced|date=September 2006}}

:Is it a PETA argument? Not mulesing ewes with a genetic susceptibility to flystrike ''could'' lead to flocks with better natural resistance, by allowing the ones susceptible to flystrike to die horrible slow deaths - hardly something PETA would want to promote, surely. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] ^{[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]} 00:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

People in the Saarland speak [[Rhine Franconian]] (in the southwest, very similar to that dialect spoken in the western part of the Palatinate) and [[Moselle Franconian]] (in the northeast, very similar to that dialect spoken along the river [[Mosel]] and the cities of [[Trier]] or even in [[Luxembourg]]), dialects of [[German language|German]]. Outside of the Saarland, specifically the Rhine Franconian variant spoken in the Landeshauptstadt [[Saarbrücken]] is generally considered to be ''the'' Saarland dialect. In general, both dialects are an integral part of the “Saarlandish” identity and thus a strong source of local patriotism.

::::::I know of a farmer who got fed up with [[wool strike]] and decided to deal with it exactly as you suggest. But it isn't the fastest way; identifying your superior rams and using them is the quickest path. A dead ewe only removes a few progeny from the gene pool, a ram, well used adds hundreds. [[User:61.9.139.165|61.9.139.165]] 11:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Sorry, almost 20 years ago my father was having lambing percentages over 180, several years in a row (in a '''flock setting''' - over 500 ewes). He was mainly supplying weathers to wool growers. From a stud perspective, their ewes throw both males and females. So indirectly they impact nearly as much of the bloodline as the ram does at their generation. [[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 21:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::Thats a pretty good lambing percentage for merinos, up there with the best. The ram that is the lamb of the ewe you mentioned has a 50% influence from the the ewe and a 50% from the original ram. If well used and with a 180% lambing rate the origianl ram will have had a 50% influence on about 180 lambs. The ewe a 50% influence on 2. The next generation will contain a 50% influence from the ewe ( we are using her ram lamb),and a 50% from the origianl ram and a number of ewes from the origianl rams 90 ewe lambs. The ram wins. If the ram was good enough to join 100 ewes when trying to reach the target them it is reasonable to assume that more than one of his 90 ram lambs will go to the next generation. The ram then wins big time. Double studs are rare in the Australian Merino Industry for this reason, recording the phenotypes of the ewes is a lot of work and in the end a single ewe only has a large influence on the outcome if you use her ram lamb, which will be tested anyway. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 22:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

::I think the method would be, once a sheep - ram or ewe - becomes flyblown you downgrade all their progeny from stud to flock. If records are only kept against the ram then you would simply stop breeding any more from the ewe. But yeah, it's pretty much the same as the arguement against docking tails - it would be better overall to only dock as a result of medical nessecity rather than as preventative, and any animal which has had to have it's tail docked shouldn't be used as breeding stock.

::Personally docking and mulesing done correctly doesn't bother me, but I don't know who did the mulesing job that PETA took photos of.

::Gee, studs run fairly low ewe:ram ratios compared to flock breeders. I knew it was low, I just didn't realise it is ''that'' low.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 13:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Both dialects, even more so in their respective Saarland flavour, share many characteristic features, some of which will be explained below.

== stated cause of flystrike ==

Women and girls are often referred to using the neuter [[grammatical gender]]. '''''Es''' hat mir's gesaat'' ('''''it''' told me so'', instead of '''''she''' told me so''; vs. High German: '''''Sie''' hat es mir gesagt''). This stems from the word ''Mädchen'' (girl) being neuter in German (''es'' is correct in German when referring to words like ''Mädchen'' but would not be used by itself in reference to a woman).

The section /*Controversy*/ includes:

<blockquote>Proponents of mulesing are largely from Australia where hot and humid weather is naturally conducive for severe fly strikes</blockquote> (unreferenced otherwise I wouldn't really question it).

I didn't think the humidity around [[Hay, New South Wales]] was particularly high - especially compared to say New Zealand or England humidity levels. Yet flystrike is still an issue (even in droughts - when I am guessing again, humidity is low). I don't think it's the environmental humidity that contributes to flystrike - it's the humidity within the wool layer which is probably fairly consistant regardless of ambient humidity.

But I'm easily swayed on this one...[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 13:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The [[conjunctive]] is normally composed with the words ''dääd'' (“would do”) or ''gäng'' (“would go”) as auxiliary verbs: ''Isch dääd saan, dass...'' (“I would say that...”) instead of the High German ''Ich würde sagen, dass...''.

Mulesing deals with fly strike around the tail, you can also have woolstrike, it becomes a problem in humid weather, but your right we need some references. [[User:61.9.139.165|61.9.139.165]] 11:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[[Declension]] is rather different:

== reliable references ==

*The [[genitive]] case does not exist at all and is entirely replaced by constructs with the [[dative]] case.

*In most instances, a word is not altered when cast into the dative case. Exceptions are mostly [[pronoun]]s.

*The same holds for the [[accusative]] case. Even more so, it is accepted practice to use the [[nominative]] case instead of the accusative.

[[Diphthongs]] are almost non-existent. The Saarlandish variant of a High-German word that contains a diphthong usually will have a long [[vowel]] in its place. Moreover, the vowel ''ü'' does not exist in the dialect. It is mostly replaced by ''i''.

I formatted the reference added by [[User:Prester John|Prester John]] but I don't believe it is reliable:

<blockquote>

Mulesing is currently illegal in Britain where fly strike is a relatively controllable problem.

{{cite web|url=http://www.animalethics.org.uk/aec-w-entries.html#Wool |work=Brute Ethics - The Animal Ethics Encyclopedia |title=Wool |accessdate=2007-01-14 |year=2004 |author=Roger Panaman}}

</blockquote>

Quotes in the article include:

*"Mulesing is the partial skinning alive of lambs..."

*"Stock hands carry out the operation with no demand for competence..."

*"Blowflies look like house files..."

How do we know this one is any better?

*"Mulesing is illegal in Britain."

--[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] ^{[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]} 09:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:I've been told my edit to this part of the article are pushing a personal bias so I'll step back from discussions about the reliability of the reference. But it may be difficult to find a single reference which supports both sections of this statement.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 22:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

French has had a considerable influence on the vocabulary, although the pronunciation of imported French words usually is quite different from their original. Popular examples comprise ''Trottwaa'' (from ''trottoir''), ''Fissääl'' (from ''ficelle''), and the imperative or greeting ''aalleh!'' (from ''allez!'').

::I've asked for reference assistance at [[Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board#Mulesing legality reference question]]. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] ^{[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]} 01:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The English phrase ''My house is green'' is pronounced almost the same (in the Rhine Franconian variant): ''Mei Haus is grien''. The main difference lies in the pronunciation of the ''r'' sound.

This is a case where a real legal reference is required not another "half baked" web page. [[User:61.9.139.165|61.9.139.165]] 11:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:In ''Legal Status in UK" section above, IP contributor has pointed out the comment in the BBC / Pink article...[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6196691.stm This one]. I will directly cite the relevant part of the article.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 21:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==See also==

The [[BBC]] is a reliable source when it comes to [[United Kingdom]] law. [[User:Prester John|Prester John]] 19:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

* [[Saar Offensive]]

* [[Saarland University]]

* [[Saar (1947–1957)|Saar Protectorate, 1947 to 1957]]

* [[Monnet Plan]]

==Sources and external links==

The BBC is a Secondary/tertiary source just like Wikipedia; Wikipedia is supposed to reference it's facts. What we have is the statement "Mulesing is illegal in the UK” flying around the Internet with nobody calling for a reference. As I said above, the claim is that it is illegal, it should not be hard to get a reference, there has to be a law. Until there is a reference the best one can say factually is that advocates are claiming it is illegal, if the BBC got sucked in too, that is the BBC's problem. Under which British law is it illegal? It needs a reference.[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 20:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

*[http://www.saarland.de/ Official governmental portal]

*[http://www.statistik.saarland.de/ Statistics office]

*[http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Germany.html#Saarland WorldStatesmen - Germany]

*[http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/saar.htm France, Germany and the Struggle for the War-making Natural Resources of the Rhineland] Describes the contest for the Saar over the centuries.

{{Germany_states}}

PS: If you think news services are factual you obviously haven't been quoted in the news, I've had that experience, news services and facts are only loosely related.[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 20:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

{{unreferenced|date=September 2006}}

PPS: John maybe a real reference can be had by going and asking PETA, if it's true I am sure they will be only too happy to help; if it's a load of codswallop no doubt you will get no answer. I really want to know if it's true or not, if it is fiction how the urban myth came about and how it was sustained on the Internet would make an interesting case study, perhaps even a wikipedia article. If it's true the standard of Wikipedia rises as it looks as if wikepedia will be the first to have a decent reference. Well that is if you take on the challenge and this doesn't degenerate into an edit war. [[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 21:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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===Email to PETA===

[[Category:States of Germany]]

I sent the following email to: [e-mail] . I will let you know if I get a responce.

[[Category:NUTS 1 Statistical Regions of Europe]]

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Could you please supply a reference for the statement "Mulesing is illegal in the UK".

We need a reference for the wikipedia article on Mulesing.

[[als:Saarland]]

Regards.

[[ar:سارلاند]]

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[[User:Charles Esson|Charles Esson]] 21:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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