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==Internet Archive==
Can someone familiar with this module add code to enable Internet Archive links for books etc. For example, the open library code [http://openlibrary.org/books/OL16525337M/A_concise_etymological_dictionary_of_the_English_language OL16525337M] is the book "A concise etymological dictionary of the English language", which also has LCCN [http://lccn.loc.gov/11035890 11035890] and Internet Archive code [http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924008779690 cu31924008779690]. Thanks. [[User:Mindmatrix|<
:And Google Books [http://books.google.com/books?id=ls_XijT33IUC ls_XijT33IUC]. What other archive systems are used? --''''' [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 09:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
::at [[WebCite]] users can archive single webpages. the Internet Archive also crawls for site/page snapshots and these may follow the rate of change of the originals. Google Books is different, as it may act more like an online publisher than an archival service. [[Special:Contributions/70.19.122.39|70.19.122.39]] ([[User talk:70.19.122.39|talk]]) 00:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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If you can figure out how to update the fields for Internet Archive, Google Books, or some other ID scheme, then they would be easy to add. A few ID schemes (including Open Library) don't easily map to this format and have to be specially handled, so that is possible too, but it would take more effort. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 19:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Internet Archive has various media (text, audio, video), but they all appear to have the same URL pattern (<nowiki>http://www.archive.org/details/identifier</nowiki>). Should we create one entry and disregard type, or create separate entries for each, some of which may have subtypes? (For example, some of the audio files could use a handler for [[Live Music Archive]] instead of [[Internet Archive]].) I think one handler is probably the better option. [[User:Mindmatrix|<
::In general, I tend to think that less is more in cases like this unless there is a strong reason to differentiate. However, I don't really know much about the Internet Archive, so I'm not really a good person to judge. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 16:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
== Format size ==
Add 'formatsize' to indicate the size of the linked document. This should show right after 'format' and in the parenthesis. There is already a bot filling in PDF sizes for another template, so it can be repurposed to detect if 'format' is defined, then add 'formatsize' if it isn't already defined. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 18:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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:{{para|formatsize}} presumably to be filled in for known file types (PDF, XLS, ...), and ''not'' for things not in the list like {{para|format}}hardcover, handout, etc. For streaming media, the file size is rarely known up front, unless it's hosted as a file (such as on Commons), so perhaps ''not'' filled in for {{para|format}}video, but perhaps for AVI, MP4, etc. --[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] ([[User talk:Lexein|talk]]) 03:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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::'urlformat' might be better, since it indicates that it modifies 'url', since there seems to be confusion. Then 'urlsize'. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 16:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure about 'urlformat' (as opposed to 'fileformat'). My initial reaction is that 'urlformat' suffers much the same problem as 'format', in that people may be inclined to assume it means the format of the work described at the other end of the URL and put things like "book" or "video" in there. 'fileformat' seems closer to the intended use. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 22:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
== ORCID ==
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::Yes. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Wow: nearly three years on, and no further responses. A resolution for this matter is now being discussed at [[Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive_18#Proposal: addition of 'author-id' parameter|Help talk:Citation Style 1#Proposal: addition of 'author-id' parameter]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
:Discussion was archived, unresolved. Link updated. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
== HTML classes ==
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::::What I read there suggests that there isn't a written standard yet.
::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 20:18, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Indeed; as discussed previously (three & four years ago!) we should mint one; and as I
::::::When [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Microformats/citation]] is done let us know. It will help you to consider each of the meta parameters listed in [[Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration]] in the aliases table (the meta parameters are the lvalues: <code><nowiki>['AccessDate']</nowiki></code>, etc). Clearly not every cs1|2 meta parameter will need a class because some of them don't display anything to the reader.
::::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 22:20, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Only just seen your reply, so apologies for the delayed response. I've started a ''provisional'' mapping at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Microformats/citation#Mapping]]. However, I'm not clear what some of those aliases mean, nor when they're used. Is there any additional documentation? Many of the module's properties won't have a direct equivalent in the microformat; we could simply prepend "p-", so for example "Mode" would map to "p-mode". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
== Wikisource ==
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It seems to me that it should be fairly easy to incorporate these requirements into this module and allow much of the code in the current scripts could be junked as it would allow all the other parameters standard to be passed in without the need to do so explicitly (as had to be done previously). -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 13:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
== Separator suppression ==
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See discussion at [[User_talk:Citation_bot#removal_of_authors]]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:48, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
== UA features ==
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:::Allow me to second Rwessel's last post. This is a serious readability issue for such a long list of references, which is difficult enough to read without the error messages. [[User:Texas Dervish|Texas Dervish]] ([[User talk:Texas Dervish|talk]]) 19:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:#{{cite book |title=Title |date=c. 303 – c. 325}}
:#{{cite book |title=Title |date=c. 303}} --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
== Convert dashes in dates ==
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We currently convert hyphens and em dashes in page rages to the proper en dash. Do so for dates as well. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 19:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:Some hyphens in dates, such as in the YYYY-MM-DD format, should stay as hyphens, so the programming will need to have a bit of subtlety. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
== suggestion list and enumerated parameters ==
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::The more general case: The Suggestion list would be better if it accepted regular expressions or something similar. There are myriad misspelled forms of "access-date" that I catch and fix with a regex in [[User:Jonesey95/AutoEd/unnamed.js]]. It would be great if we could feed something like "ac+e+s-*d+a+t+e" (only one "s") or "ac+e+sss+-*d+at+e" (triple "s") into the Suggestions list and have it suggest "access-date". – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
== Citing Standards ==
There apparently is no {{tl|cite standard}} template yet, which could be used for citing technical standards, although these are often used as references for articles on technical subjects in Wikipedia or even have dedicated articles. Some standards, e.g. most of those issued by ISO, are not available for free, which is sometimes seen as hindering their use as a (reliable) source, but most are available to the general (paying) public, thus do not really violate the principles of verifiability.
Standards usually have one or more [[list of technical standard organizations|issuing bodies]] which are almost always best known by an acronym, e.g. ISO, IEC, IETF (RFC), IEEE, ITU, SMPTE, ETSI, CEN/CENELEC (EN), CIE, W3C, WHATWG, ECMA, EBU, ANSI, NTSC, NIST, FCC, AMSE, BS, CAN, DIN, JIS, GOST, ARIA, ARIB, CCIR, ASTM, IATA, ICAO.
Most standards are identified by an identification number, sometimes a part or sub-part, and a date (often just the year) of initial publishing or last revision, but they usually also have a title, subtitle, possibly part title, draft or release status, category, subject etc. Author and publisher are often the same, although a designated bureau, committee, taskforce or workgroup may have been chartered with its creation. Many are also related to other standards: they may revise, replace or update them, be published jointly in synchronization with them, translate or adapt them nationally etc.
In short: I'm not sure which (new) parameters would be needed, which should be discouraged, recommended or required and which should be mapped to existing ones by aliases, but I sure wish there was a helpful template. — [[User:Crissov|Christoph]] [[User talk:Crissov|Päper]] 12:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
:Previous discussions:
:*{{slink|Template_talk:Citation/Archive_8#Citing_norms_and_standards}}
:*{{slink|Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_56#Citing_norms_and_standards}}
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
== Fix stacked parentheses problem ==
Documented at [[Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 24#Type and language]]. Also relevant for [[#Consistent date ___location]] which would add to it when an author/editor is unspecified. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 02:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
* Author, Editor, Chapter, Work, Type, Language, Format, Date all specified: (ChapterFormat???)
*: Author (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). In Editor (ed.). ''Work''.
* Missing any one parenthetical above: Trivial case.
* Missing Editor: Trivial case.
* Missing Author:
*: Editor, ed. (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
* Missing Chapter
*: Author (Date). In Editor (ed.). ''Work'' (Format Type in Language).
* Missing Work: Author (Date). Editor (ed.). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
Of note in this set is if Date is in the "big" parentheses, in MDY, it needs a comma following the Y e.g. (January 1, 2001, Format Type in Language).
Combinations: 2 things missing at 1 star and 3 things missing at 2 stars.
* Author Date: Editor, ed. "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
** And Editor: "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
** And Chapter: Editor (ed.). ''Work''. (Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format/Type/Language: Trivial.
** And Work: Editor (ed.). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Author Editor: "Chapter" (Date Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
** And Chapter: ''Work'' (Date Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format/Type/Language: Trivial.
** And Work: "Chapter" (Date Format Type in Language).
* Author Chapter: Editor, ed. (Date). ''Work'' (Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format/Type/Language: Trivial.
** And Work: Error.
* Author and one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial.
** And Work: Editor, ed. (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Author Work: Editor, ed. (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Editor Date: Author. "Chapter" (FTL). ''Work''.
** And Chapter: Author. ''Work'' (Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial
** And Work: Author. "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Editor Chapter: Trivial Missing Chapter.
** And one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial
** And Work: Error.
* Editor and one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial Missing Editor.
** And Work: Author (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Editor Work: Trivial Missing Editor.
* Date Chapter: Trivial Missing Chapter.
** And one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial.
* Date and one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial Missing Date.
** And Work: Trivial.
* Date and Work: Trivial Missing Work.
* Format or Type or Language and one of others: Trivial.
** And all three: Author (Date). "Chapter". In Editor (ed.). ''Work''.
** And Work: Trivial.
* Format or Type or Language and Work: Trivial.
In general: FTL can reasonably be considered as one unit. It sometimes has Date added. It takes a while to get to the point where it doesn't display at all. Could probably be changed in the module today pretty easily (+- ChapterFormat versus Format). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
: Related discussion: [[Help talk:Citation Style 1#Why language in between series title and volume number?]]
: --[[User:Matthiaspaul|Matthiaspaul]] ([[User talk:Matthiaspaul|talk]]) 08:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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