|
::In general, I tend to think that less is more in cases like this unless there is a strong reason to differentiate. However, I don't really know much about the Internet Archive, so I'm not really a good person to judge. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 16:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
== prearchive for deadurl ==
Add {{para|prearchive|yes}} as an alias to {{para|deadurl|no}}. Negative logic like setting a parameter to false to enable a feature is foreign to the average editor. 'prearchive' better describes the feature for preemptively archiving the link. --''''' [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 16:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
:I am seeing a number of uses of {{para|deadurl|yes}} which is meaningless. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 12:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
== postscript check ==
Check for 'postscript' with more than one character. I'm seeing some odd stuff inserted. --''''' [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 19:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
:My present reaction is that it may be too late for this. There appear to be too many people doing things like {{para|postcript|<nowiki><!-- None --></nowiki>}}, plus [[User:Citation bot]] has been putting a message about {{tl|inconsistent citations}} in the postscript. Insisting that it ought to be only one character seems a bit futile at this point. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 22:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::Perhaps just a hidden tracking category to see what is out there. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 02:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
== Check for wikilink to current page ==
If a citation includes a wikilink to the current page, it becomes bolded:
{{markup
|<nowiki>{{cite book |title=[[Module talk:Citation/CS1/Feature requests]]}}</nowiki>
|{{cite book |title=[[Module talk:Citation/CS1/Feature requests]]}}
}}
Propose: If the wikilink is to the current page, then remove the linking. --''''' [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 16:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:If this is done, it should be done via CSS. Removing the irrelevant italics, the output is styled
::<nowiki><span class="citation book"><strong class="selflink">Module talk:Citation/CS1/Feature requests</strong></span></nowiki>
:Setting ".citation .selflink { font-weight:normal; }" will remove the bold. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 18:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:If this is done, then it should apply to all links. I've seen lists of books in author pages where the list is constructed with CS1 templates that include {{para|authorlink}}. See [[Andrew_Hunt_(historian)#Bibliography|Andrew Hunt §Bibliography]].
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 14:43, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, the suggested CSS would eliminate the bolding associated with such links regardless of where they occur in the citation. Adding that (or not) doesn't actually affect the Module, it would need to go in [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] (or similar). [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 16:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yep, it does. Tested in my common.css and citation wikilinks to the current page aren't '''{{tag|strong|s}}''' anymore. I gather that this change needs to be made to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. Shall I make an edit request there?
:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 11:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:It would make more sense to me to throw an error in these cases for correction, as these items of various types (author/title) probably just shouldn't have the links rather than being removed by the template. Where an error might get messy would be in things like cite doi, which are by their nature not necessarily on the page which is linked. Hmm. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::I'm inclined to disagree. There is nothing ''wrong'' with wikilinks that point to the current page as long as the link is disabled in the citation. This allows editors to reuse whole citations; it allows {{xtag|section}} to transclude text from one article to another with self-linking citations intact. I don't see a need for error messages here.
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 11:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::And citation templates. I agree with Trappist. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 13:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Just exploring another option. I'm not particularly attached to it. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 13:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::The CSS can deal easily with redirects and wikilinks that occur in places other than link parameters. Trying to accomplish the same breadth of error checking in Module logic would be performance prohibitive. One could check a few of the obvious parameters, e.g. authorlink, but I don't really see how that improves over the CSS suggestion. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 22:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'd suggest that people make a request for this at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]]. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 22:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
== Format size ==
::'urlformat' might be better, since it indicates that it modifies 'url', since there seems to be confusion. Then 'urlsize'. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 16:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure about 'urlformat' (as opposed to 'fileformat'). My initial reaction is that 'urlformat' suffers much the same problem as 'format', in that people may be inclined to assume it means the format of the work described at the other end of the URL and put things like "book" or "video" in there. 'fileformat' seems closer to the intended use. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 22:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
== [[Template:Cite wikisource]] ==
Could anybody move it to Lua? --[[User:DixonD|DixonD]] ([[User talk:DixonD|talk]]) 09:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
:it has some novel parameters, including the unique facility of editor-specified page section links ({{para|anchor}}). in the doc, this parameter perhaps belongs under "In-source locations" rather than under "Title"? while useful, the parameter name '''anchor''' is confusing and should be more user-friendly.
:i also like that any or all wikisource-related icons can be hidden.
:the doc also misidentifies '''type''': this parameter does not provide "additional information about the media type of the source". the medium is fixed for all wikisource sources: it is a digital, online host, formatted as a wiki. as documented at the template page, '''type''' provides information about the {{em|work classification}} or {{em|work type}} of the source.
:[[Special:Contributions/70.19.122.39|70.19.122.39]] ([[User talk:70.19.122.39|talk]]) 17:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:I've done a few more conversions this last weekend. I've been handling these roughly in order by number of transclusions. The 1100 uses of cite wikisource is roughly in the middle of the list of what is left. We'll probably get to it eventually, but it will likely be months before all of the 20+ minor templates are converted. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 22:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
== ORCID ==
It seems to me that it should be fairly easy to incorporate these requirements into this module and allow much of the code in the current scripts could be junked as it would allow all the other parameters standard to be passed in without the need to do so explicitly (as had to be done previously). -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 13:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
== Chapter and section ==
Why is there a restriction on using "chapter" and "section" at the same time? It seems to me there are legitimate need for the two to be used at the same time.Here is a book which has volume, sections and chapters:
*Bowen, Dr. Henry Lee; 1953; "Chapter 9. Victory in China"; ''The Army Air Forces in World War II''; Volume V The Pacific: Matterhorn to Nagasaki June 1944 to August 1945; Section II, Aid to China: The Theater Air Forces in CBI; University of Chicago Press.
-- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 13:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:'section' originates from {{tl|cite manual}}. When I merged it into {{tl|cite book}}, I made 'section' and 'chapter' aliases. See below for more. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 17:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think that is not the best way to go. I have shown you above an example of where a book uses sections and chapters. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 09:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
== Part ==
A part= parameter would be useful, see for example:
* [http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Military_periodicals_online#The_United_Service_Journal_and_Naval_and_Military_Magazine The United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine] where there are volumes divided into two parts for each year in the volume.
*{{Cite Notitia Parliamentaria |part=1}}
*{{Cite Notitia Parliamentaria |part=2}}
-- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 13:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Also useful would be column (col.), paragraph (para.); track; hours, minutes and seconds; act, scene, canto, book, part, folio, stanza, back cover, liner notes, indicia, colophon, dust jacket, verse and probably a lot more. But this is why we have the catchall 'at' field where you can add free text where 'chapter' and 'page' don't exactly fit. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 17:45, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
::By that argument volume may as well be removed! A difference is made between chapter and page. A similar difference needs to be made between volume and part. In parts page numbering often restarts. Most of the items you have listed in your first sentence are attributes of the same physical book (and are other ways of pinpointing information within a physical book). Part is different, it frequently describes a physical book with its own page numbering. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 09:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
== Separator suppression ==
See discussion at [[User_talk:Citation_bot#removal_of_authors]]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:48, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
== Sfnref ==
Integrate {{tl|sfnref}} into the CS1 templates. This would take two parameters: {{para|sfnref}} and {{para|sfnyear}}. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 12:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
== UA features ==
:::Allow me to second Rwessel's last post. This is a serious readability issue for such a long list of references, which is difficult enough to read without the error messages. [[User:Texas Dervish|Texas Dervish]] ([[User talk:Texas Dervish|talk]]) 19:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:#{{cite book |title=Title |date=c. 303 – c. 325}}
:#{{cite book |title=Title |date=c. 303}} --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
== Convert dashes in dates ==
We currently convert hyphens and em dashes in page rages to the proper en dash. Do so for dates as well. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 19:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:Some hyphens in dates, such as in the YYYY-MM-DD format, should stay as hyphens, so the programming will need to have a bit of subtlety. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
== strip wikilinks from page, pages, at ==
This citation:
:{{citation |last=Cornelius Tacitus |first=Publius |author-link=Tacitus |title=[[s:la:De origine et situ Germanorum|De origine et situ Germanorum]] ''(On the Origin & Situation of the Germans)'' |at=[[s:la:De origine et situ Germanorum (Germania)#XL|Cap. XL]] |year=98 |ref={{harvid|Tacitus|98}} }}
uses
:{{para|at|<nowiki>[[s:la:De origine et situ Germanorum (Germania)#XL|Cap. XL]]</nowiki>}}
the module does not know how to strip the markup before adding it to the COinS.
—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:19, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
== suggestion list and enumerated parameters ==
—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
::The more general case: The Suggestion list would be better if it accepted regular expressions or something similar. There are myriad misspelled forms of "access-date" that I catch and fix with a regex in [[User:Jonesey95/AutoEd/unnamed.js]]. It would be great if we could feed something like "ac+e+s-*d+a+t+e" (only one "s") or "ac+e+sss+-*d+at+e" (triple "s") into the Suggestions list and have it suggest "access-date". – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
== Partial links in title ==
{{mdt|Help talk:Citation Style 1#Partial links in title}}
—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
== Citing Standards ==
In short: I'm not sure which (new) parameters would be needed, which should be discouraged, recommended or required and which should be mapped to existing ones by aliases, but I sure wish there was a helpful template. — [[User:Crissov|Christoph]] [[User talk:Crissov|Päper]] 12:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
:Previous discussions:
:*{{slink|Template_talk:Citation/Archive_8#Citing_norms_and_standards}}
:*{{slink|Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_56#Citing_norms_and_standards}}
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
== Fix stacked parentheses problem ==
Documented at [[Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 24#Type and language]]. Also relevant for [[#Consistent date ___location]] which would add to it when an author/editor is unspecified. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 02:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
* Author, Editor, Chapter, Work, Type, Language, Format, Date all specified: (ChapterFormat???)
*: Author (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). In Editor (ed.). ''Work''.
* Missing any one parenthetical above: Trivial case.
* Missing Editor: Trivial case.
* Missing Author:
*: Editor, ed. (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
* Missing Chapter
*: Author (Date). In Editor (ed.). ''Work'' (Format Type in Language).
* Missing Work: Author (Date). Editor (ed.). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
Of note in this set is if Date is in the "big" parentheses, in MDY, it needs a comma following the Y e.g. (January 1, 2001, Format Type in Language).
Combinations: 2 things missing at 1 star and 3 things missing at 2 stars.
* Author Date: Editor, ed. "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
** And Editor: "Chapter" (Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
** And Chapter: Editor (ed.). ''Work''. (Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format/Type/Language: Trivial.
** And Work: Editor (ed.). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Author Editor: "Chapter" (Date Format Type in Language). ''Work''.
** And Chapter: ''Work'' (Date Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format/Type/Language: Trivial.
** And Work: "Chapter" (Date Format Type in Language).
* Author Chapter: Editor, ed. (Date). ''Work'' (Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format/Type/Language: Trivial.
** And Work: Error.
* Author and one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial.
** And Work: Editor, ed. (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Author Work: Editor, ed. (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Editor Date: Author. "Chapter" (FTL). ''Work''.
** And Chapter: Author. ''Work'' (Format Type in Language).
** And one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial
** And Work: Author. "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Editor Chapter: Trivial Missing Chapter.
** And one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial
** And Work: Error.
* Editor and one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial Missing Editor.
** And Work: Author (Date). "Chapter" (Format Type in Language).
* Editor Work: Trivial Missing Editor.
* Date Chapter: Trivial Missing Chapter.
** And one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial.
* Date and one of Format or Type or Language: Trivial Missing Date.
** And Work: Trivial.
* Date and Work: Trivial Missing Work.
* Format or Type or Language and one of others: Trivial.
** And all three: Author (Date). "Chapter". In Editor (ed.). ''Work''.
** And Work: Trivial.
* Format or Type or Language and Work: Trivial.
In general: FTL can reasonably be considered as one unit. It sometimes has Date added. It takes a while to get to the point where it doesn't display at all. Could probably be changed in the module today pretty easily (+- ChapterFormat versus Format). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
: Related discussion: [[Help talk:Citation Style 1#Why language in between series title and volume number?]]
: --[[User:Matthiaspaul|Matthiaspaul]] ([[User talk:Matthiaspaul|talk]]) 08:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
| 