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The result was '''Keep'''. [[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]] 23:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
===[[Gay lisp]]===
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This article should be deleted on the grounds of [[WP:OR]] and that it is offensive. - [[User:Gilliam|Gilliam]] 02:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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*Whoa. '''Keep''', possibly rename. The article has sources in the external links, which is no longer acceptable, but they are strong sources -- ''The Economist'' a scholarly journal, and an article that references scholarship. It's pretty easy to find more sources, too: [http://www.stanford.edu/~podesva/documents/igala2004.ppt], [http://www.vueweekly.com/articles/default.aspx?i=1883], [http://homepages.nyu.edu/~eml246/context.pdf], [http://www.sdu.dk/Hum/graduateschool/DCameronChap4.pdf]. Summary: not all gay (men) have a lisp, but almost all gay men have shared language characteristics that set them apart. (This is a common social marker in linguistics; see [[Northern cities vowel shift]], [[code switching]].) The ''title'' is a problem. [[Gay speech characteristics]], perhaps, would be an NPOV replacement. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 05:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[Gay speech characteristics]] per Dhartung. --[[User:Dennisthe2|Dennisthe2]] 05:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Redirect/merge''' to [[Gay stereotyping]]. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
*'''Merge''' to [[Gay stereotyping]] or rename to something like [[Gay speech characteristics]], but a name that doesn't imply that it's necessarily a characteristic that all or most gay folks share (they don't, or it would be easier to tell who is gay!). [[Stereotypes of gay speech]]? Horrible, I know. [[user:delldot|delldot]] | <small>[[user talk:delldot|talk]]</small> 07:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*I agree that '''mergining''' to [[Gay stereotyping]] is the best course of action, it should '''not''' be renamed "gay speech characteristics." This is tantamount to having articles on "Jewish nose shapes" and "reasons minorities are lazy." Articles on those subjects, when presented in context of "stereotyping" or something of that nature, can be encyclopedic.--[[User:Dmz5|Dmz5]] 07:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::Although I wouldn't advocate doing such a merge until [[Gay stereotyping]] is majorly cleaned up.--[[User:Dmz5|Dmz5]] 07:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Redirect/Merge''' to [[Gay stereotyping]] <
*'''Redirect/merge''' per Grutness. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 12:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename/no redirect''' Although the idea of a lisp is a stereotype associated with gay men, there appears to be some evidence of a sociolinguistic phenomenon. Just as it would be wrong to include [[African-American Vernacular English]] under [[African-American stereotyping]], it is likewise incorrect to suggest that any perception (by gays or straights) of social markers in the speech of gay men is merely repair to a stereotype. [[User:Pop Secret|Pop Secret]] 13:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename'''. There is plenty of literature on the subject, so a reasonable sourced article could be written. The current name isn't good tho. [[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 18:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', '''Rename''' and '''Cleanup'''. I'd like to see the references cleaned up, but it appears that references to valid research confirming the presence of these speech patterns can be found, or, at least, that this is a valid area for scientific research, so this is not prima facie OR. It's clearly notable, as it documents a phenomenon widely referenced in broader culture. A redirect or merge to [[Gay stereotyping]] should be discouraged: as I understand it, stereotyping is about misperception and generalisation: this article, and the supporting research, do not seem to imply that this speech pattern is present in all gay men, or only in gay men, only that its presence is to some extent correlated with sexuality. As and when the stereotyping article is expanded, it may usefully refer to this article. [[User:WMMartin|WMMartin]] 18:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep, but only if cleaned up'''. If not, delete. This article is a mess. Lots of unsourced POV and conjecture going on there. [[User:ExRat|ExRat]] 02:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
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