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==== Category:Music writers ====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''rename all''' to "[Foo] writers about music", per list below. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 23:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
:::* [[:Category:Music writers]] to [[:Category:Writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:Music writers by nationality]] to [[:Category:Writers about music by nationality]]
:::* [[:Category:American music writers]] to [[:Category:American writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:British music writers]] to [[:Category:British writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:Canadian music writers]] to [[:Category:Canadian writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:English music writers]] to [[:Category:English writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:French music writers]] to [[:Category:French writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:German music writers]] to [[:Category:German writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:Iranian music writers]] to [[:Category:Iranian writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:Pakistani music writers]] to [[:Category:Pakistani writers about music]]
:::* [[:Category:Scottish music writers]] to [[:Category:Scottish writers about music]]
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Music writers]] to [[:Category:Writers on music]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Music writers by nationality]] to [[:Category:Writers on music by nationality]]
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*:English already has three words for people who author music: [[Composer]], [[Lyricist]] and [[Songwriter]]. And Wikipedia has two matching category hierarchies for that: [[:Category:Composers]] and [[:Category:Songwriters]]. Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22music+writer%22&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=8eh1zi37y6bnh30ipznd8nptu already uses the term "music writer" pretty widely], and there are plenty of reliable sources that use the term. A routine Google search (your friend, BTW) for "[[Dave Thompson]] music writer" turns up [https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA751CA752&ei=6ixrWsmUGYXdjwTugbCIAg&q=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22music+writer%22&oq=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22music+writer%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...10918.11991.0.12125.2.2.0.0.0.0.83.154.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.82...0i22i30k1.0.LoLeEqqc6JY lots of hits]. "Writer on music" though? [https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA751CA752&ei=-CxrWo6uAen-jwSHo6zwDw&q=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22writer+on+music%22&oq=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22writer+on+music%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...65399.66639.0.66711.15.13.0.0.0.0.155.1171.7j5.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..9.4.328...0i7i30k1j0i7i10i30k1j0i8i7i10i30k1.0.KOo-idKkZjM Almost nothing in comparison]. <span style="color:#b8c8d4">— <b><span style="font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;"> [[User:Warren|Warren]].</span></b> ‘ <span style="font-size:9pt;">[[User talk:Warren|talk]]</span> ,</span> 13:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes, we have such words — but that doesn't stop people from sometimes misfiling composers and lyricists and songwriters in here anyway, just as the fact that we have the word [[screenwriter]] for people who write film scripts didn't stop people from misfiling screenwriters in {{cl|Film writers}} instead of {{cl|Screenwriters}}. Not every speaker of English necessarily always knows the ''proper'' word for everything. Category names are not necessarily restricted to "what's the most common name for it in the sources" — we have ''lots'' of categories where we've shifted to an alternate wording, if the usual name for it actually leads to a lot of misfiling within the Wikipedia category system. Yes, people ''should'' know better than to file a songwriter or a lyricist or a composer here — but they ''don't'' always, and we ''do'' take patterns of consistent misuse into account when deciding how best to name categories. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Biblical art by medium ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge both'''. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 00:43, 1 February 2018 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Biblical art by medium]] to [[:Category:Biblical art]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Biblical art by subject]] to [[:Category:Biblical art]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''upmerge''', redundant category layer, the two container categories ''together'' contain only five subcategories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:14, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Music lending libraries ====
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==== Category:Fictional bullies ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Fictional bullies]] - {{lc1|Fictional bullies}}<br />▼
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Fictional cyberbullies]] - {{lc1|Fictional cyberbullies}}<br />▼
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 14:11, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' As noted at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional bullies]], ''bully'' is a [[WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE|subjective term]]. [[Special:Contributions/108.210.218.199|108.210.218.199]] ([[User talk:108.210.218.199|talk]]) 02:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': I added the sub-category to this nomination, as the same rationale applies, although there was only one voice for deletion when it was put up for renaming at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_February_22#Category:Fictional_cyberbullys]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 11:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 13:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE]].[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 16:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' But trim. There's certainly one individual in that category that is '''defined''' as being a fictional character who is a bully. [[Nelson Muntz|Haw! Haw!]]. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<
*'''Keep''' per Lugnuts. Key defining characteristic for [[Nelson Muntz]] and [[Biff Tannen]] [[User:Ribbet32|Ribbet32]] ([[User talk:Ribbet32|talk]]) 22:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - many fictional characters, such as [[Draco Malfoy]] are chiefly characterized and known as bullies. Since being a bully in many instances is considered the chief or important characteristic in many of these fictitious individuals, this category should be kept. I am not however opposed to removing the articles that are inappropriately placed in this article, but that is not an excuse to delete the whole category. [[User:Inter&anthro|Inter&anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&anthro|talk]]) 04:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per [[Harry Flashman]] who is a fictional bully [[User:Hugo999|Hugo999]] ([[User talk:Hugo999|talk]]) 06:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Queens regnant of Hungary ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''Merge'''. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:01, 1 February 2018 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Queens regnant of Hungary]] to [[:Category:Queens regnant]] and [[:Category:Hungarian monarchs]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''upmerge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], only two articles in the category. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' -- An important subject, but two articles is too few for w worthwhile category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support,''' this category will never have more than 2 articles. – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1">Alensha</span>]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 22:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Films whose cinematographer won the Best Cinematography Guldbagge Award ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''delete'''. If anyone feels like making a list, I have listed the category's contents at [[Wikipedia_talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 24#Category:Films_whose_cinematographer_won_the_Best_Cinematography_Guldbagge_Award]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 09:11, 31 January 2018 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
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:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:NOTDEFINING]]. Films are not primarily known for winning Best Cinematography at the Guldbagge Awards, the field is not as important as directing or writing and, argh, I hate to say it because of the America-centrism in the film industry, but the Guldbagge aren't as big as the Oscars. Sadly, this seems like [[Wikipedia:Overcategorization|overcategorization]]. [[User:Ribbet32|Ribbet32]] ([[User talk:Ribbet32|talk]]) 01:02, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. No-one will first think of this specific award in relation to the film. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:NOTDEFINING]]. Films aren't known by this award. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WilliamJE|WilliamJE]] ([[User talk:WilliamJE#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WilliamJE|contribs]]) </small>
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