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==== Category:Czech Lion Awards winners (people) ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Czech Lion Awards winners (people)]] to [[:Category:Recipients of the Czech Lion Award]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Match the style of other categories, for instance Category:Recipients of the Distinguished Service Order and all other award categories that I know of. [[User:Catrìona|Catrìona]] ([[User talk:Catrìona|talk]]) 23:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as the award is given to both people and films, per [[:Category:Czech Lion Awards winners]]. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<
*'''Rename to [[:Category:People who are recipients of the Czech Lion Award]]''' which resolves both of the concerns above.''' —''' [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] ([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Mr. Guye|contribs]])  04:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Listify and delete''' per [[WP:OCAWARD]]. A list will also give the opportunity to provide more background information about whether it is an individual or a film award. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Toy companies ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. [[User:Explicit|<b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 03:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Model manufacturers]] to [[:Category:Toy companies]] and rename to [[:Category:Toy and model companies]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Toy companies of Australia]] to [[:Category:Toy and model companies of Australia]]
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*Model or toy is a subjective issue - My dad made models and I played with them as toys. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 16:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' -- Some models are a variety of toy, but not all models are toys. I was once asked to take a model about 3-foot long of a component less than an inch long to barrister's chambers in London in connection with patent litigation. The clay sculpture to be covered in plaster of Paris for a bronze casting is also a model, as is the equivalent to be covered in loam to cast a cannon or bell. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Philosophy and thinking infobox templates ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT|SMALLCAT]]. Only one member. ''' —''' [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] ([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Mr. Guye|contribs]])  20:03, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Athletics clubs in the United States ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> {{Relisted}} at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 27#Category:Athletics clubs in the United States]]. [[User:Explicit|<b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 03:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Athletics clubs in the United States]] to [[:Category:Sports clubs in the United States]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' It is unclear how one can distinguish an "athletics club" from a general "sports club". This naming also presents ambiguity over whether the category relates to the [[sport of athletics]], which is already covered at [[:Category:Track and field clubs in the United States]]. [[User talk:Sillyfolkboy|SFB]] 15:11, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Comment''', quite a few articles are about [[gentlemen's clubs]] rather than a general sports club. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:10, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
**In that case '''purge''' -- In American usage, I understand what I (in England) call athletics is "Track and field" in America. Possibly, the subject should be retained as a cat-redirect or a dab-category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Underground mines in the Isle of Man ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Not merged'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:13, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Underground mines in the Isle of Man]] to [[:Category:Mines in the Isle of Man]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' All the Manx mines are underground [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 13:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''keep''' nomination is flawed and unhelpful to the category tree structure. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 17:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as per above and my comments in the related discussions below. [[User:Turgan|Turgan]] <sup>[[User talk:Turgan|Talk]]</sup> 23:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' A gravel quarry is (excepting in rare circumstances) a surface mine, thus while all the mines on Isle of Man that have articles are underground, not all mines on Isle of Man are underground. --[[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 18:47, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Underground mines by country ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Not merged'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:14, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Underground mines by country]] to [[:Category:Mines by country]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Unneccessary. The categories for individual countries - where there is categorisation by surface/underground is useful. This intermediate category isnt. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 09:46, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' -- The converse is open-cast mines. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:06, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As per my comments in the discussion below concerning the parent category. [[User:Turgan|Turgan]] <sup>[[User talk:Turgan|Talk]]</sup> 23:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Underground mines ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Not merged'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Underground mines]] to [[:Category:Mines]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Superfluous category. There is a category [[:Category:Surface mines ]] to distinguish the minority of mines which are not underground. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 09:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Keep.''' I seem to recall there was discussion among members of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mining|Mining WikiProject]] when this tree structure was implemented and it was agreed at that time that there are three major classifications of mining methods that could be distinguished (Underground, Surface, and Solution). There are also variations of these styles, but that would have been overkill. Which "type" is most prevalent really depends on the commodity, the area of activity, and when the mining occurred. There are a significant number of all three "types" throughout the world, so stating that any one method is a minority is incorrect and an extreme over-simplification of an already simplified category tree. [[User:Turgan|Turgan]] <sup>[[User talk:Turgan|Talk]]</sup> 23:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' generally based on rationale by Turgan, and while I don't have any data, I would ''think'' that most mines are surface mines (I don't know if anyone could definitively answer that question). Not that it particularly matters, we don't inherently categorize by exception (and I don't think this is an exception). The fact that Underground Mines by Country is the only subcategory doesn't mean that it should be or will always be. Thinking off hand, it could easily be subcategorized into stope mines and cave mines, which are both distinct types of underground mines. One could even add a category for underground gold/copper/salt mines, although I think that is a little too detailed for a category.--[[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 18:43, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Steel Mills in Sindh ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> {{Relisted}} at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 27#Category:Steel Mills in Sindh]]. [[User:Explicit|<b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 03:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Steel Mills in Sindh]] to [[:Category:Steel companies of Pakistan]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' unnecessary intermediate category. Only one sub cat [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 07:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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::::*The two articles in the Karachi subcat are about companies ''named'' Steel Mills, they are not about the actual plants. So Rathfelder is right in not proposing to merge to [[:Category:Manufacturing plants in Pakistan]]. It would be helpful to rename/merge the Karachi subcat as well, in order to avoid this confusion. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' upwards to eliminate this layer - probably not a full upmerge. The only content is about Karachi, which can go direct into a Pakistan category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Papal States (until 1500) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''No consensus'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 12:43, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1059 establishments in the Papal States]] to [[:Category:1059 establishments in Italy]] and [[:Category:11th-century establishments in the Papal States]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:1156 in the Papal States]] to [[:Category:1156 in Italy]] and [[:Category:12th century in the Papal States]]
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*'''Oppose in part''' -- Italy was (and is) a peninsula. I support the policy of eliminating category twigs (where they are not trees), but this is going too far and too fast. We cannot allow categories for every small polity, but Italy can be split into a series of reasonably stable (and long-enduring) polities, including the kingdom of Naples (later Two Sicilies), Papal States, Tuscany, Piedmont, etc. Each of these should have its own tree. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:19, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:* The nomination certainly does not intend to get rid of Papal States categories, the only intention is to create more robust categories for the Papal States, i.e. at century level, at least in the Middle Ages when there is little content. I suppose every polity, large or small, can keep its own tree, but the size of the tree will vary with the size and duration of the country. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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==== Cancelled projects and events by country ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''No consensus'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 12:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cancelled projects and events in Australia]] to [[:Category:Cancelled projects]]+[[:Category:Proposals in Australia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cancelled projects and events in Canada]] to [[:Category:Cancelled projects]]+[[:Category:Proposals in Canada]]
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*'''Oppose''' -- Many of these have "cancelled military projects in foo" and "abandoned military projects in foo" as their only content; and I am not sure what the difference is: the target should be e.g. [[:Category:Cancelled projects in Sweden]]. UK and Sweden also have cancelled engineering projects (which will fit). A few have cancelled elections, referendums, and other events. These need to be purged into a separate category: there are few enough for the target to be a Europe-wide category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:27, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:* If there is enough content, it is certainly a good idea to insert an extra layer for Cancelled projects under Proposals. That is however not yet the case in Sweden. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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