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==== Category:Transgender serial killers ====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 7%23Category:Transgender serial killers]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Transgender serial killers}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' There are only two entries, which could be handled by simply ==See also== linking them, and the category also seems unusual as there is not e.g. a [[:Category:African-American serial killers]] or [[:Category:Hindu serial killers]]: it seems serial killers are otherwise only categorized by nationality and by whether they are male or female, which both entries in this category already are. [[User:-sche|-sche]] ([[User talk:-sche|talk]]) 23:06, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''ALT''' rename to [[;Category:Serial killers who self identify as transgender]]. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 08:55, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per [[WP:OCEGRS]], as an unrelated intersection with sexuality. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 10:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Northern Ireland MLAs 2016–17 ====
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:C2C]], follow-up to the successful [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 29#Category:MEPs 1952–58]]. Original discussion @ [[Template talk:Navseasoncats#Follow-up CfD?]]. &nbsp;&nbsp;<b>~</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span>&nbsp; 21:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' per previous CfD and discussion. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</fontspan>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 07:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' - for consistency. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 16:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Speedy rename ''' [[WP:C2C]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 07:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Model railroad manufacturers ====
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*:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> 'Delete''keep''' per <small>([[WPWikipedia:OCEGRS]],Non-admin as an unrelatedclosure|non-admin intersection with sexualityclosure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 1006:0859, 1521 June 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Model railroad manufacturers]] to [[:Category:Toy train manufacturers]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Substantial overlap of concept. Many manufacturers produce stuff for both ends of the market, and people who start off with toy trains progress to models. There is no clear boundary between them. Maybe needs a different name - perhaps "Toy and model railway manufacturers" or "Rail transport modelling companies"? [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 17:16, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' There is a clear distinction between a [[Scale model]] and a toy; which I seem to remember being discussed here before. I don't think merging these two is actually gone to improve things. [[User:Twiceuponatime|Twiceuponatime]] ([[User talk:Twiceuponatime|talk]]) 09:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::*I think you are wrong to suggest there is a clear distinction between the two. There is a continuum. Some products are clearly toys, some are clearly models, many can be seen as either. Toy trains are all made to a scale. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 14:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::*...and they are quite distinct. Twiceuponatime is right - there is a clear distinction. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 15:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''Reverse merge''' or '''do not merge at all'''. [[:Category:Model railroad manufacturers]] would seem to be a better umbrella term, but as [[:Category:Toy trains]] is a distinct subcategory of [[:Category:Rail transport modelling]], I do not see an obvious reason to merge the manufacturers. There is however a continuum between the two. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Model railways and toy trains are different things, as Twiceuponatime points out. There are some companies, however, which manufacture both, hence the incorrect perception of a continuum. I would, however, support a renaming of the proposed category to {{cl|Model rail manufacturers}} as a language neutral form. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 15:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
*Most of the companies produce both models and toys, and much of what they produce can be described as either. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 08:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
:* That may be true, but what I look at is whether your proposal to merge is going to improve the category structure. I can accept that the present structure is far from perfect, but I cannot see that your proposal makes things better. [[User:Twiceuponatime|Twiceuponatime]] ([[User talk:Twiceuponatime|talk]]) 09:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Wikipedians who use Chromebook ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:47, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Wikipedians who use Chromebook}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Similarly to [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/User/Archive/April_2008#Category:Wikipedians_by_operating_system|previous discussion about operating systems]], categorization of users by hardware is not helpful. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 15:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Redundant Category and is not needed. --[[User:Thegooduser|<span style="color: teal">'''Thegooduser'''</span>]] [[User talk:Thegooduser|<span style="color: maroon">'''Life Begins With a Smile :)'''</span>]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 01:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:County of Aragon ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:County of Aragon]] to [[:Category:Counts of Aragon]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''rename''', per actual content of the category, it contains biographies of counts, rather than history articles about the county. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:05, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' -- but [[County of Aragon]] (a substantive article) should be used as a main article (as well as a list article for rulers). We are unlikely to get other content on this small polity. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Create as subcat'''. I can see numerous articles which could potentially be added to the category as it currently stands but which are not articles on counts, e.g., [[Roman Catholic Diocese of Huesca]], [[Andregoto Galíndez]], [[Battle of Roncevaux Pass (824)]], [[Guntislo Galíndez]], and [[Urraca Fernández]]. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 07:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Countesses of Barcelona ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Countesses of Barcelona}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''', with two exceptions ([[Ermesinde of Carcassonne]] and [[Almodis de la Marche]]) this category only contains queen-consorts of Aragon, who already are in [[:Category:Aragonese queen consorts]] and for whom countess of Barcelona was a mere secondary title. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose'''. [[Count of Barcelona]] is a list that shows that several move countesses would be eligible even if queen-consorts of Aragon are kept out, and at least 2 already have an article: [[Douce I, Countess of Provence]] and [[Petronilla of Aragon]] (who was queen-''regnant'' of Aragon and countess-''consort'' of Barcelona, and brought Aragon in the House of Barcelona). Also, the title of Count of Barcelona was later revived, first by Louis XIII of France, then by 20th-century [[Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona]], so their spouses are probably considered countesses as well. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' in the second case, a re-creation of the title would have to have its own category. Am inclined to support the nomination with the additional safeguards suggested by the nom. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 08:59, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Calixa-Lavallée Award winners ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:47, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Calixa-Lavallée Award winners}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' per [[WP:OCAWARD]], just one of many awards in this field. Besides, the main article already contains a list. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:04, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''DElete''' - yet another OCAWARD case. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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