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The bushisms.com site should go somewhere (I'm not trying to censor), but it was full of criticism and I couldn't find any Bushisms in it. I want to laugh at the funny way dat Texan dude be talkin' (like all those Reaganisms we know and love). --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]

[[Image:Flag of Brittany.svg|160px|thumb|[[Flag of Brittany]] (Gwenn-ha-du)]]

[[Image:Bretagne_historique.png|250px|thumb|Historical province of Brittany]]

:''This article is about the historical kingdom, duchy and French province, as well as one of the Celtic nations. For the current French administrative ''région'' of Bretagne, see [[Bretagne]]. For other meanings, see [[Brittany (disambiguation)]].''

'''Brittany''' ([[Breton language|Breton]]: ''Breizh'' [[International Phonetic Alphabet|pronounced]] {{IPA|/bʁejs/}} ; [[French language|French]]: ''Bretagne'', [[International Phonetic Alphabet|pronounced]] {{IPAudio|fr-Bretagne.ogg|/bʁətaɲ/}}; [[Gallo language|Gallo]]: ''Bertaèyn'') is a former independent [[kingdom]] and [[duchy]], and a [[Provinces of France|province of France]]. Brittany is one of the six [[Celtic Nations]]. It is also, more generally, the name of the cultural area whose limits correspond to the old province and independent duchy.

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The historical province of Brittany was split between two modern-day ''[[région]]s'' of [[France]]. 80% of Brittany has become the ''région'' of [[Bretagne]], while the remaining 20% of Brittany ([[Loire-Atlantique]] ''[[département]]'' with its ''[[préfecture]]'' [[Nantes]], one of the former capitals of the duchy of Brittany) has been grouped with other historical provinces ([[Anjou]], [[Maine (province of France)|Maine]], and so on) to create the ''région'' of [[Pays-de-la-Loire]] (that is "lands of the [[Loire River|Loire]]"). For the reasons behind the splitting-up of Brittany, and the current debate around a reunification, see the [[Bretagne]] article.

More quotes, along with alleged locations:

[http://joecasaletto.com/jokes/gwbush/gwbushquotes.htm],

[http://www.geocities.com/GWBblows/Quotes.html], and [http://members.aol.com/kevwashere/bush.htm]. The first seems the most promising.

Brittany occupies a large [[peninsula]] in the northwest of France, lying between the [[English Channel]] to the north and the [[Bay of Biscay]] to the south. Its land area is 34,034 [[1 E10 m²|km²]] (13,137 sq. mi). The region is divided into five departments: to the west is [[Finistere]], [[Côtes-d'Armor]] lies to the North, [[Ille-et-Vilaine]] is in the north-east, [[Loire-Atlantique]] is to the south-east and [[Morbihan]] lies in the middle.

:''You know, when I was campaigning in Chicago, in the general election, somebody said, "Would you ever deficit spend?" I said, "Well, only if we were at war, or there was a national emergency, or we were in a recession." Little did I realize we'd get the trifecta.''

In January [[2005]] the population of Brittany was estimated at 4,271,000 inhabitants. 72% of these live in the Bretagne ''région'', while 28% of these live in the Pays-de-la-Loire ''région''. At the [[1999]] census, the largest metropolitan areas were [[Nantes]] (711,120 inhabitants), [[Rennes]] (521,188 inhabitants), and [[Brest, France|Brest]] (303,484 inhabitants).

The above quote, from [1], isn't a gaffe. There is not a single grammar error or misstatement of fact in it. And it's only the third of the three "Bushisms" I read at that site. The man who compiled these quotes comments, "Yes, America hit the jackpot, and Duyba has free reign to deficit spend." So, this was really an instance of someone (the website owner) exercising his right to make a '''''political criticism''''' -- not an instance of Bush committing a gaffe. --~~

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==History==

Ideally, I think we should strive to list only Bushisms that we can verify; I'm sure people are out there making up dumb things that "Bush has said", and we should do our best to keep these out of the encyclopedia. Additionally, I think we should get as much context as we can for the slip-ups, since sometimes a lack of context can make something dumb sound even dumber; in an encyclopedia, we should not make people sound dumber than they are if we can avoid it. I'd like to hear ideas about how we can trace Bushisms back to reliable sources, and get that context.

:''Main articles: [[History of Brittany]] and [[Prehistory of Brittany]]

[[Image:Carnac megalith alignment 3.jpg|thumb|220px|The [[megalith|megalithic]] alignments at [[Carnac]] testify to the organisation of the prehistoric population of Brittany]]

[[Image:Château de Vitré Place St-Yves.JPG|thumb|220px|Fortress of [[Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine|Vitré]], on the Brittany Marches]]

In the mean time, I'd like to note that there are at least small discrepancies between different people's quoting of Bush.

Human habitation in the area now called Brittany goes back to the late [[Paleolithic]], or Epi-Palaeolithic, period. Megaliths erected in the 5th of the [[Veneti (Gaul)|Veneti]], [[Osismii]], [[Namneti]], [[Coriosolitithe]] area in the [[Iron Age]].

In [[56 BC]] the area was conquered by the [[Roman Republic|Romans]] under [[Julius Caesar]]. The Romans called the district ''[[Armorica]]'' (a [[Latin]]isation of a Celtic word meaning "coastal region"), within the larger province of ''[[Gallia Lugdunensis]]''. The modern ''[[département in France|département]]'' of [[Côtes-d'Armor]] has taken up the ancient name. After the collapse of the Roman empire, Britons, or [[Celts]] from [[Great Britain]], displaced by the Saxon colonisation of what became [[England]], settled in Brittany, and it is from this period its present names date. It is believed that the Breton language is the result of this immigration rather than a continuation of [[Gaulish]].

Compare the quote at [http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms2001.htm?terms=misunderestimate]

An excruciating [[Normans|Norman]] siege of [[Dinan]] (seen on the [[Bayeux Tapestry]]) influenced chief male ancestors of the late [[House of Stuart]], also an important maternal line to the present [[Duke of Norfolk]], to relocate to [[Great Britain]]. Bretons also accompanied the [[Norman conquest of England]], emigrating mostly to what became [[Richmondshire]] (in Yorkshire).

:"The folks who conducted to act on our country on September 11th made a big mistake. They underestimated America. They underestimated our resolve, our determination, our love for freedom. They misunderestimated the fact that we love a neighbor in need. They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the Commander-in-Chief, too." George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2001

==Sights==

to that at [http://joecasaletto.com/jokes/gwbush/gwbushquotes.htm]:

Brittany is famous for its [[megalith]]ic monuments, which are scattered over the [[peninsula]], the largest alignments are near [[Carnac]]. The purpose of these monuments is still unknown, and many local people are reluctant to entertain speculation on the subject. The words ''[[dolmen]]'' (from "daol" table and "maen" stone) and ''[[menhir]]'' (from "maen" stone and "hir" high) come from the Breton language, even though they are hardly used in Breton.

Brittany is also known for its [[calvary|calvaries]], elaborately carved sculptures of crucifixion scenes, to be found in churchyards of villages and small towns, especially in Western Brittany.

:The folks who conducted this act on our country on September 11th made a big mistake. They misunderestimated the fact that we love a neighbor in need. They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the commander-in-chief, too. --"Misunderestimations" galore reported to the CIA, Sept. 26, 2001

Significant urban centres include:

It's mostly the same: same date, same place, same basic message. But a few words are different, and one is a more condensed version than the other. For true Bushism schollars, who, for example, would like to learn how to use "misunderestimate" in conversation, getting the details right is key.

* [[Nantes]] / Naoned

--[[User:Ryguasu|Ryguasu]] 08:30 Nov 7, 2002 (UTC)

* [[Rennes]] / Roazhon

* [[Brest, France|Brest]] / Brest

* [[Lorient]] / an Oriant

* [[Quimper]] / Kemper

* [[Vannes]] / Gwened

* [[Redon, Ille-et-Vilaine|Redon]] / Redon

* [[Saint-Brieuc]] / Sant-Brieg

* [[Saint-Nazaire]] / Sant-Nazer

[[Image:Saintmalo.jpg|thumb|220px|The walled city of [[Saint-Malo]] was a former stronghold of corsaires]]

The walled city of [[Saint-Malo]] (Sant-Maloù), a popular tourist attraction, is also an important [[seaport|port]] linking Brittany with [[England]] and the [[Channel Islands]]. It also was the birthplace of the acclaimed author [[François-René de Chateaubriand|Chateaubriand]] and explorer [[Jacques Cartier]]. The town of [[Roscoff]] (Rosko) is served by [[ferry]] links with England and [[Ireland]].

The island of [[Île d'Ouessant|Ushant]] (Breton: ''Enez Eusa'', French: ''Ouessant'') is the north-westernmost point of Brittany and France, and marks the entrance of the English Channel. Other islands off the coast of Brittany include:

:: It might be worth mentioning that the White House often rewrites official transcripts to clean up Bush's mangling of the language. The press often does this as well. I seem to recall that "misunderestimated" was rewritten either by the press or the White House or both, but I would need to look it up to find the details. [[User:soulpatch|soulpatch]]

*[[Bréhat]] / enez Vriad

*[[Batz]] / enez Vaz

*[[Molène]] / Molenez

*[[Sein]] / enez Sun

*[[Glénan islands]] / inizi Glenan

*[[Groix]] / enez Groe

*[[Belle Île]] / ar Gerveur

*[[Houat]] / Houad

*[[Hoëdic]] / Edig

*[[Île-aux-Moines]] / Enizenac'h

*[[Île d'Arz]] / an Arzh

==Language==

:::''[[Bushisms]], like [[Yogiisms]] but with first strike capability...'' -- [[GWO]]

[[Image:Road signs bilingual Breton in Quimper.jpg|thumb|Bilingual road signs can be seen in traditional Breton-speaking areas]]

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[[Image:BlasonBRETAGNE.jpg|100px|thumb|Traditional coat of arms]]

I wouldn't trust an analysis of gaffes made by anyone with a political ax to grind. Now, if a professor of linguistics and a bunch of graduate students listened to, say, 100 hours of tapes of the last 10 presidents and recorded the "gaffe rate" for each -- that would provide food for thought. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]

[[French language|French]], the only [[official language]] of the French Republic, is today spoken throughout Brittany. The two [[regional language]]s have no official status with regards to the state, although they are supported by the regional authorities within the strict constitutional limits: [[Breton language|Breton]], strongest in the west but to be seen all over Brittany, is a [[Celtic language]] most closely related to [[Cornish language|Cornish]] (Breton has in fact slightly more in common with Cornish than Welsh), and [[Gallo language|Gallo]], which is spoken in the east, is one of the [[Oïl languages]].

:Oh, you're no fun. We foreigners like our handy "Cut out and keep guide to the presidents..."

:: Kennedy (Dead)

:: Johnson (Who?)

:: Nixon (Corrupt)

:: Ford (Stupid)

:: Carter (Incompetent)

:: Reagan (Asleep)

:: Bush the Elected (Incompetent)

:: Clinton (Fornicating)

:: Bush the Appointed (Stupid)

From the very beginning of its history and despite the end of the independence of Brittany, Breton remained the language of the entire population of western Brittany, if not bishops and French administrators or officers. French laws and economic pressure led people to abandon their language to the one of the ruler, but until the 1960s, Breton was spoken and understood by the majority of the western inhabitants. Since the beginning of the 20th century, it has been very efficiently fought by the French administration and educational system (''"It is forbidden to spit on the ground and to speak Breton"'') in the process of promoting [[French language|French]] as the sole language of the country.

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Breton was traditionally spoken in the west (the "[[Breizh-Izel]]" or "[[Basse-Bretagne]]"), and Gallo in the east (the "pays Gallo" or "[[Haute-Bretagne]]"). The dividing line stretched from Plouha on the north coast to a point to the south-west of Vannes. French had, however, long been the main language of the towns. The Breton-speaking area formerly covered territory much further east than its current distribution.

This is not an encyclopedia article. It is brazen political propaganda. Suppose one were to write an article titled "[[Crimes Bill Clinton is accused of committing]]".

In the Middle Ages, Gallo expanded into formerly Breton-speaking areas. Now restricted to a much reduced territory in the east of Brittany, Gallo finds itself under pressure from the dominant Francophone culture. It is also felt by some to be threatened by the Breton [[language revival]] which is gaining ground in territories that were never part of the main Breton-speaking area.

It's stuff like this that makes me ''really'' worried that Wikipedia is slowly descending to the level of [[Everything2]]. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]]

Privately funded ''Diwan'' ("Seed") schools, where classes are taught in Breton by the immersion method, play an important part in the revival of the Breton language. The issue of whether they should be funded by the State has long been, and remains, controversial. Some bilingual classes are also provided in ordinary schools.

: ''"Well, its a term that exists, and that people use, in exactly the sense defined. One might argue that its too dictionary (I agree), or that there are too many examples (I agree), but I find it odd (well, actually, I don't, but I might if you didn't have form) that you feel your non-approval of the term and the sentiment expressed would disqualify it from an article. And besides, have you read the 7th paragraph of [[Bill Clinton]] recently? And hey, if the quality drops too much for as great a mind as yours, theres always Nupedia (ho, ho, ho)'' -- [[GWO]]

Despite the resistance of French administration, bilingual (Breton and French) road signs may be seen in some areas, especially in the traditional Breton-speaking area. Signage in Gallo is much rarer.

Larry, I'm also worried about the "descent" of Wikipedia. It shouldn't try to be a forum, nor allow itself to be turned into one.

A large influx of English-speaking immigrants and [[second-home]] owners in some villages sometimes adds to linguistic diversity.

Some people collect quotes from their political opponents, so they can bash them. Reaganisms, algorithms, Bushisms. Hmm, is ''algorithm'' an "EdPoorism"? I'd like to rewrite this article not as a list of gaffes (we can link to any number of such lists) but as an explanation of why partisans and others like to compile lists of malapropisms. And whether these lists indicate a desire to poke fun (healthy), a desire to discredit (understandable), or represent a genuine level of "stupidity" on the part of the quoted person.

==Music==

I bet it ties into the "Gore as policy wonk" thing. Gore is smart, therefore his policy views must be correct, therefore vote for him. Bush is stupid, therefore his policy views must be incorrect, therefore don't vote for him.

{{Main|Music of Brittany}}

Some of the musicians for which Brittany is known are: the most famous, [[Alan Stivell]], but also [[Denez Prigent]], les frères Guichen, Carré Manchot, Ar Re Yaouank, Sonerien Du, Loened Fall, [[Yann Tiersen]], etc.

==Religion==

Are people going to take a stance on [[global warming]] or the [[ICC]] based on how many mangled words the media can collect on a politician? We may as well judge [[Yogi Berra]]'s performance as a baseball team manager on the basis of saying things like "90 percent of this game is half mental". --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]

[[Image:Bretagne Finistere StJeanTrolimon 11032.jpg|thumb|Sculpted "calvaries" can be found in many villages]]

The first Christian missionaries came to the region from [[Ireland]] and [[Great Britain]]. With more than 300 "[[saint]]s" (only a few recognized by the Catholic Church), the region is strongly [[Roman Catholic Church|Catholic]]. Since the nineteenth century at least, Brittany has been known as one of the most devoutly Catholic regions in France, in contrast to many other more secularised areas. The proportion of students attending Catholic private schools is the highest in France. As in other Celtic regions, the legacy of [[Celtic Christianity]] has left a rich tradition of local saints and monastic communities, often commemorated in place names beginning ''Lan'', ''Lam'', ''Plou'' or ''Lok''. The [[patron saint]] of Brittany is Santez Anna [[Saint Anne]], the Virgin's mother. But the most famous saint is Saint [[Ivo of Kermartin]] ('saint Yves' in French, 'sant Erwan' in Breton), a [[13th century|13th-century]] priest who devoted his life to the poor.

Once a year, believers go on a "pardon", the saint's [[feast day]] of the [[parish]]. It often begins with a procession followed by a mass in honour of the saint. There is always a pagan side, with some food and craft stalls. The three most famous pardons are:

: This article is no more "political propaganda" than, say, the article on terrorism is, or any other article that deals with a political subject. Bush's gaffes and questions about his intelligence are a matter of considerable political discourse in the United States, not the mention the world at large, and a such it is perfectly deserving of an article here. By the way, there is also an article on "Goreisms", or at least there used to be the last time I checked. Any attempt to suppress this article would be simply a case of whitewashing to please those who are embarassed by calling attention to the things Bush says; and that in and of itself would be a case of political propaganda winning out by censoring a politically embarassing article.. [[User:soulpatch|soulpatch]]

* from Sainte-Anne d'Auray/Santez-Anna-Wened, where a poor farmer in the 17th century assured the saint give him the order to build a chapel in her honour.

* from Tréguier/Landreger, in honour of St Yves, the patron saint of the judges, advocates, and any profession involved in justice.

* from Locronan/Lokorn, in honour of St Ronan, with a ''troménie'' (a procession, 12 km-long) and numerous people in traditional costume,

In Brittany, there is a very old [[pilgrimage]] called the ''Tro Breizh'' (tour of Brittany), where the pilgrims walk around Brittany from the grave of one founder saint to another. The seven founder saints of Brittany are:

* St [[Pol Aurelian]], at Saint-Pol-de-Leon/Kastell-Paol,

Who are you talking to, Larry or me? I said I love the article, because I think it exposes Bush's opponents' use of ''ad hominem''. We question his intelligence, because we can't defeat his arguments on their merits. I love it! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]

* St [[Saint Tudwal|Tudual]] (''sant Tudwal''), at Tréguier/Landreger,

* St Brieuc, at Saint-Brieuc/S-Brieg,

* St Malo, at Saint-Malo/S-Maloù,

* St [[Samson of Dol]], at Dol,

* St Patern, at Vannes/Gwened

* St Corentin (''sant Kaourintin''), at Quimper/Kemper

Historically, the pilgrimage was made in one go (a total distance of around 600 km). Nowadays, however, pilgrims complete the circuit over the course of several years. In 2002, the Tro-Breizh included a special pilgrimage to [[Wales]], symbolically making the reverse journey of the Welshmen Sant Paol, Sant Brieg, and Sant Samzun. Whoever does not make the pilgrimage at least once in his lifetime will be condemned to make it after his death, advancing only by the length of his coffin each 7 year.

: I was responding to Larry. As I pointed out in the Talk page on Bush, it is completely appropriate to discuss the personal qualifications of an individual for president. To claim that this is simply "ad hominem" argumentation is nonsense. Politicians are always subjected to scrutiny on their personal qualifications. Things like personal character, intelligence, and so forth, are absolutely fair game as part of political discourse when it concerns a politician. Or are you also suggesting that one should never identify a politician as being corrupt because that would also be an "ad hominem" argument? Is it "ad hominem" to discuss Jim Trafficant's scandals, or Whitewater, or Abscam, or Watergate? Calling attention to the personal characteristics of politicians is not "ad hominem"; it has everthing to do with evaluating the fitness for office of a politician. And, as I also pointed out, Republicans themselves constantly brought up "character" as an important issue in the 2000 election in the wake of Clinton's personal behavior--so they have admited that personal characteristics matter, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander. [[user:soulpatch|soulpatch]]

Some old pagan traditions and customs from the old Celtic religion have also been preserved in Brittany. The most powerful folk figure is the [[Ankou]] or the "Reaper of Death" because even [[Jesus]] and the [[Mary, mother of Jesus|Virgin Mary]] obey him. He is a skeleton wrapped in a shroud with the Breton flat hat. He makes his journeys by night carrying an upturned scythe which he throws before him to reap his harvest. Sometimes he is on foot but mostly he travels in a cart, the Karrig an Ankou, drawn by two oxen and a lean horse. Two servants dressed in the same shroud and hat as the Ankou pile the dead into the cart, and to hear it creaking at night means you have little time left to live.

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==Gastronomy==

"Is our children learning?" has been explained as "Is -- Are children learning?" That is to say, that Dubya was about to say something beginning with "is", then changed his mind to ask "Are children learning?" Bush's accent, they say, doesn't make the distinction between the pronunciations of "are" and "our" that some speakers do. --[[User:Fubar Obfusco|FOo]]

Although some white [[wine]] is produced near the [[Loire River|Loire]], the traditional drinks of Brittany are:

* [[cider]] ([[Breton language|Breton]]: ''chistr'') - Brittany is the second largest cider-producing region in France;

* a sort of [[mead]] made from wild honey called ''[[chouchen]]'';

* an apple [[eau de vie]] called ''lambig''.

Some [[beer]]s are also now produced. Historically Brittany was a beer producing region, however, due to import of wine from other regions of France, beer drinking and production slowly came to an end in the early to mid 20th century. In the 1970s, due to a regional comeback, new beer breweries started to open. Around twenty breweries are now open.

[[Whisky]] is also being produced, and there is a small handful of distilleries that produce excellent whiskies. Another recent drink is the ''[[kir]] Breton'' ([[Creme de cassis|crème de cassis]] and cider) which may be served as an [[apéritif]].

Very thin, wide [[pancakes]] made from [[buckwheat]] flour are eaten with ham, eggs and other savoury fillings. They are usually called ''[[galette]]s'' (Breton ''galetes''), except in the western parts of Brittany where they are called ''[[crêpe]]s'' (Breton ''krampouezh''). Thin crêpes made from wheat flour are eaten for [[dessert]]. Other [[pastry|pastries]], such as ''[[kouign amann]]'' ("butter cake" in Breton) made from bread dough, butter and sugar, or ''[[far (breton)|far]]'', a sort of sweet [[Yorkshire pudding]], or ''[[clafoutis]]'' with prunes, are traditional.

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Surrounded by the sea, Brittany offers a wide range of fresh sea food and fish, especially [[mussel]]s and [[oyster]]s. Among the sea food specialities is [[cotriade]].

What about the "Major League ..." incident, referred to in a "Tom the Dancing Bug" cartoon?

==Climate==

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Since Brittany is on the west coast of France, it has a warm temperate climate. Rainfall occurs regularly - which has helped keep its countryside green and wooded - but sunny, cloudless days are also common.

Is there any connection between (A) eloquence in public speaking and (B) being right on policy issues? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]

In the summer months, Brittany can reach temperatures of about 30 degrees [[Celsius]], but is still comfortable compared to parts of France south of the [[Loire River]]. It generally has a moderate climate during both [http://www.discover-brittany.info/pics/climatesummer.gif summer] and [http://www.discover-brittany.info/pics/climatewinter.gif winter], and rain is not uncomfortably common or rare.

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The most popular summer resorts are on the south coast ([[La Baule-Escoublac|La Baule]], [[Belle Île]], [[Gulf of Morbihan]]), although the wilder and more exposed north coast also attracts summer tourists.

"A Bushism is a public verbal gaffe by United States President George W. Bush." -- Misleading; the term was first used in reference to his father George Herbert Walker Bush ([[George Bush]]). The earliest Google hit I find is from 5 Aug 1992.

==Transport==

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=bushism&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=r&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=7&as_maxm=11&as_maxy=1995&start=60&sa=N

There are several airports in Brittany serving destinations in France and England. [[TGV]] train services link the région with cities such as [[Paris]], [[Lyon]], [[Marseille]], and [[Lille]] in France. In addition there are ferry services that take passengers, vehicles and freight to Ireland, England and the Channel Islands.

==Trivia about Brittany==

The term was used as the title of a 1992 book by the editors of New Republic magazine.

* The Breton national anthem [[Bro Goz ma Zadoù|Bro Gozh ma Zadoù]] is set to the same tune as the [[Wales|Welsh]] and [[Cornwall|Cornish]] anthems.

* A number of [[Breton]] independence groups exist and they enjoy increasing, but minority, support in [[election]]s.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563053187/qid=1036706624/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-8714274-3771321?v=glance&s=books

* Another famous Breton is the girl [[Bécassine]] (http://www.wnsstamps.ch/stamps/FR053.05/fr.html), a character from a strip cartoon.

Amazon.com books on Bushisms by *both* Bushes

* Legendary road bicycle racer [[Bernard Hinault]] was born in the town of Yffiniac in Brittany.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=s_sf_b_as/102-8714274-3771321

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Replies all around.

* [[Henry VII of England|King Henry VII]] spent quite some time living in Brittany ([[1471]] - [[1485]]).

GWO: duh, I know it's a term that exists in the sense defined. Who cares? First, Wikipedia isn't a dictionary; second, making a list of Bushisms under the title "Bushisms" implies that Wikipedia officially endorses the view that George Bush is to be condemned for his Bushisms. '''The biggest problem with the article is that the title makes it impossible for the article to be neutral.''' I would have hoped that you all would have the intellectual honesty to see that immediately, without someone having to interrupt your party to tell it to you.

==See also==

Ed: two things that are not in Wikipedia's brief, though they might be in Everything2's: (1) collections of damaging quotations from people, arranged specifically so as to damage those people; (2) exposing political hacks' use of ''ad hominem.''

*[[Battle for Brest]]

*[[:br:|Wikipedia in Breton]]

*[[Bleimor (Breton Scouting organization)]]

*[[List of twin towns in the United Kingdom#Cornwall|Twinning/Jumelage between Breton and Cornish towns]]

==External links==

"soulpatch": OK, since you can't figure this out for yourself: "terrorism" (the word) is known and used by all manner of people. It has inherent interest to people even who do not like the use of the term in any circumstances. Accordingly, one of the things we say in the "terrorism" article is that some people don't want it used ever. "Bushism" and "Goreism" by contrast are ''merely'' terms of opprobrium used by political hacks such as yourself (I'm sure). It's admittedly quite important that we report on Bush's gaffes since they're politically important, and on Gore's alleged fibs, since ditto. But ''an impartial encyclopedia'' doesn't do so ''under the title used by the silly political hacks''! It's '''all about neutrality,''' soulpatch. On Wikipedia we '''go out of our way to write from the neutral point of view.'''

{{Wikisource1911Enc|Brittany}}

* [http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/ Brittany Press Agency]

* [http://www.webbreton.com/ Guide and Reference about Brittany]

* [http://brittany.france-province.net Over Brittany in pictures]

* [http://www.breizh.net/identity/ Personelezh Breizh e saozneg - Breton identity in English]

* [http://www.histoire-bretagne.com/ Istor Breizh- History of Brittany]

* [http://www.ofis-bzh.org Ofis ar brezhoneg - Office of the Breton Language]

* [http://www.antourtan.org/radio_fr.html Skingomz e Breizh - Brittany Radios]

* [http://www.chez.com/buan1/history_of_brittany.htm Istor Breizh e saozneg - History of Brittany in English]

* [http://www.brittany-bretagne.com/pg/dates.htm Deizoù Istor Breizh e saozneg - Dates of Brittany's History in English]

*[http://brittany.angloinfo.com/ AngloINFO Bretagne] residents' information in English

*[http://france-for-visitors.com/brittany/index.html Visiting Brittany]

*[http://poormansfortune.com/ Breton music in the USA] - In English

*[http://www.houseinbrittany.com/ Information & Accommodation in Brittany] - In English

*Self catering accommodation in Brittany: [http://www.brittanygite.co.uk]

*[http://www.bretonsdumonde.org/ Bretoned ar bed - Bretons du Monde]

* [http://www4.culture.fr/patrimoines/patrimoine_architectural_et_mobilier/sribzh/main.xsp?execute=parsed_query&query=region:|Bretagne|&tri=region&tri=dpt&tri=com&tri=adrstri&tri=lieu&tri=edif&tri=tico {{fr}} Cultural Heritage]

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--[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]]

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OK, I've moved both [[Bushisms]] and [[Gore-ism]] to meta.wikipedia.org. If you insist on having articles like this, I strongly suggest that you find a title that does not smack so strongly of idiotic partisanship, and that you treat the subject in a way that could be equally agreed upon by all sides as fair. See [[neutral point of view]]. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]]

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Larry, with all due respect, could you rein in your irritation? Sarcasm and denigrating people (however cleverly) is not going to help your argument. We get your point; we just don't necessary agree with you. I, for example, am not a Bush fan, but I do realize that Bush -- like Dan Quayle -- is a savvy politician who's much more effective one-on-one than he is in front of large groups. But the fact remains that he makes many verbal gaffes, and these have come to define his presidency in the eyes of some people just as Clinton's sexual indiscetions defined his. The term exists; why shouldn't we include it here? In addition, I don't think unilaterally deciding to move the entry to meta.wikipedia.org is either fair or logical. It smacks of intellectual snobbery and arbitrariness -- "I don't agree, so I'm gonna move this. So there." Isn't that one of things we're fighting against here? Yes, you're a founder, but I was under the impression that Wikipedia has no real heirarchy.

[[af:Bretagne]]

Please don't respond with the tired old argument about Wikipedia descending to the level of Everything2. We've heard it. Believe it or not, there are people here who do attempt to keep everything clean and on an even keel. We don't always succeed, but we do try, and we don't appreciate you repeatedly slapping our wrists for just not being good enough.

[[ast:Bretaña]]

[[br:Breizh]]

Thank you, I'm done. [[User:Stormwriter|Stormwriter]]

[[cy:Llydaw]]

[[da:Bretagne]]

I will no longer apologize for chastizing people for their lapses into idiocy. You have no excuse. This sort of thing--what's neutral and what isn't--should be obvious by now. It's not like we haven't been working on this project for over two years. Anyway, it takes way too much effort to restrain myself. We've got to maintain standards here, and shame has been underutilized. I agree with Julie Kemp who said she believed in shame culture.

[[de:Bretagne]]

[[et:Bretagne]]

So, to your shaming. ;-) You didn't address my argument. (You wrote, "The term exists; why shouldn't we include it here?" as if I had not actually answered the question. That wasn't very nice.)

[[es:Bretaña]]

[[eo:Bretonio]]

You're free to move it back, Stormwriter. But I'll move it back to meta unless I see a really good reason not to.

[[eu:Bretainia]]

[[fr:Bretagne]]

By the way, I'm fed up with being accused of throwing my ''nonexistent'' weight around. I have precisely as much weight as you give to me. If you think I have a lot of weight here, I'm delighted. I'll use it, then.

[[ga:An Bhriotáin]]

[[gd:A' Bhreatainn Bheag]]

--[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]]

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[[hr:Bretanja]]

No, no, no! Let it out!! Heeeeeeeeee's back!!!!

[[it:Bretagna]]

[[kw:Breten Vyghan]]

There's been too much nice, passive acceptance of bull**** during Larry's sabbatical. I'm too inexperienced to be the sheriff. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]

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Thanks, Ed. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]]

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