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<!-- Image with unknown copyright status removed: [[Image:Wiser'sDeluxeCanWhisky.jpg|right|thumb|200px|A bottle of Wiser's Deluxe]] -->'''Wiser's Deluxe''' is a [[Canadian whisky]] made by ''Corby Distillery Limited'' in Belleville, [[Ontario]], [[Canada]].
===[[Algerian Civil War]]===
*'''Colour:''' Rich amber.
This is a self-nomination; however, I have researched this quite extensively for some time, to the point of having to trim the article somewhat, and have finally managed to scrape together enough pictures. The topic, despite its great importance, get little media attention, and I think this page covers it in greater depth and detail than any online English-language description I have come across. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 9 July 2005 00:35 (UTC)
*'''Nose:''' Full, rich fragrance of dried fruits, caramel and vanilla.
*'''Weak oppose'''. No copyright on one portrait, and an unknown copyright on the other. Fix these and I'll have a good look and vote. Thanks. [[User:Harro5|Harro5]] July 9, 2005 00:56 (UTC)
*'''Body: ''' Full and round.
:* Well spotted - I had missed that. Both are from the Algerian government ([http://www.elmouradia.dz/francais/presidence/presidencefr.htm the presidency's official site]); however, I'm not 100% certain of Algeria's position on copyright of state-produced materials. If I can't find that out, I propose to remove them from the article. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 9 July 2005 01:15 (UTC)
*'''Palate:''' An exceptional blend of oak, toasted grains and rich toffee.
::* Article 9 of Algeria's [http://lexinter.net/DZ/ordonnance_relative_aux_droits_d%27auteur_et_aux_droits_voisins.htm ORDONNANCE RELATIVE AUX DROITS D'AUTEUR ET AUX DROITS VOISINS] states that: "Works of the State made licitly accessible to the public may be freely used for non-profit purposes, subject to respect for the integrity of the work and indication of its source. By "works of the State", in this article, are meant works produced and published by the various organs of the State, local communities, or public establishments of an administrative character." (original in French.) Ie, non-commercial-only - which apparently means we aren't supposed to use them. Darn. They have both been removed from the article. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 9 July 2005 01:51 (UTC)
*'''Finish:''' Full, warm and enduring, smooth finish.
*<s>'''Weak oppose'''</s>. Great work making such a comprehensive and NPOV article on a subject that got far too little attention in the English language press; however, the [[Wikipedia:lead|lead]] is too short, and one generally shouldn't have contentless sections like ==Timeline==. The maps are very good, but it also does need more pictures, preferably some of the conflict itself. I doubt we can get any PD or GFDL images, but it might be possible to add some fair use ones under the "unique historical images which we cannot reproduce by other means" criteria. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] July 9, 2005 02:00 (UTC)
:* OK, I think I've addressed your first two objections. The lack of pictures of the conflict itself is a perennial if not unresolvable problem here, and any help you can give would be extremely welcome. Does this fair use criterion apply to press images? - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 9 July 2005 02:42 (UTC)
:**'''Support'''. My first two objections have been fully addressed so I am moving to support. As to images I'm far from an expert in American fair use law, but I do know that Wikipedia practice is to claim fair use for certain press images. This has been controversial in the past (see [[Image talk:TrangBang.jpg]] for a lengthy debate), but pages like [[History of post-Soviet Russia]] and [[Tiananmen Square protests of 1989]] have become FAs and use such images. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] July 9, 2005 03:55 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The text is excellent. It would be great if you could find more pictures though (I know it's difficult); as it stands, it's not an inviting read. — [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|✎]] 20:43, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
:* http://www.algeria-watch.org/galerie/galerien.htm seems to have a promising set of images. I'll see if I can find out about their copyright status. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 20:56, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''Support''', well written piece on an ongoing conflict. The pics that are there are sufficient. --[[User:Petaholmes|nixie]] 14:36, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''Very close to supporting'''. I just need to read all of it through properly and see if there's copyediting needed. Everything I've seen so far seems well written and comprehensive. I hope we'll be seeing more FACs on African history and culture after this. /[[User:Karmosin|Peter]] <sup>[[User talk:Karmosin|Isotalo]]</sup> 22:17, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''Object.''' Very sparse use of references. More research and citation seems necessary. Also, the lead is very hard to follow and basically takes a reading of the whole thing to even figure out the result. Part of the problem is the second sentence runs straight into a a narrative of the events from the start. Please restructure it in more of a news style, or at least tell me all the most important things in the first paragraph before going into details. Sorry to bring this objection so late, but I felt it needed to be said. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:56, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
*:Hmm, after writing that I see youve said you've researched it a lot, but I see only two references, plus some notes to what all appear to be news articles or low quality sources. I could be wrong, part of the problem is how they are formatted perhaps. But if you've researched a lot, add all those sources and cite what parts of the article are supported by what sources. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:59, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
::* Three rather extensive English-language books, actually (one of them was under the external links section because it happens to be available online) plus a large number of sources (mostly in French) on individual events or people with insufficient general relevance to place in the references section. As for the news articles, I'm not sure what the problem is. The government hasn't released its internal notes, nor have the guerrillas published any helpful memoirs; the primary sources for this conflict are press releases and human rights organizations' interviews, and that's what all of the books referenced do cite (indeed, most of the press cites were via the books referenced.) Why do you consider these "low-quality sources"? (Apart from two of the links, the bloody useless "War Nerd Column" and the useful but uneven timeline by an activist website.) You also suggest more citation; I'm not sure how this could be achieved. Linking each paragraph to the appropriate chapters of the relevant books seems superfluous; I've been going on the assumption that only quotes and potentially controversial claims need such low-level citation.
:::*Ok, with another book in the references I'm a bit more comfortable. Just try to make them all consistent with the formatting in [[Wikipedia:Cite sources]]. I believe if it is available online, only the title should be linked, not the rest of the citation information. Also the other notes do not contain the full citation information such as date, author, publisher, and they are not all in consistent order, so I can't tell which is which. If those are the best sources available, then I'm ok with it, just fix the formatting. As to citation, the more the better always. How do we know any of the material is accurate, except that you tell us? [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] is important to help in that. I'm not saying every word needs to be cited, but the top 15-20 or so most central and or most controversial facts in the article should ideally be cited directly to the source they came from. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</sup></small> 16:02, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
::: As for the opening 4 paragraphs, what do you recommend? - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 22:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
:::*Well ideally it should summarize the most important aspects of the article. I think it mostly does that, but it is far too chronologically organized. I suggest the whole first paragraph be devoted to telling the reader why it is important, what happened, what the results were (Govt still in power after or were the rebels successful?), and what impact the event had, on Algeria and or the area and the rest of the world if any. I think that can be done in a paragraph or two. Then if you want a chronological summary, cover that next, though probably in more of a summarized form as it is currently hard to follow. The lead section should cover the major players as it does, but since they are currently weaved into the whole three paragraphs, they aren't easy to follow either. Come to think of it there is no section in the rest of the article that summarizes the effect of the war, which I think is also necessary. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</sup></small> 16:02, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
== Also See ==
* '''Minor object''' on technical grounds, No [[:Template:Warbox|warbox]]. Sparse ilinks: from lead, not linked: [[democracy]], [[armed conflict]], [[election]] (should link specifically to mentioned 1991 election, army (to [[Algerian army]]), police (to [[Algerian police]]), [[massacre]]s and quite a few others. No second level sectioning = TOC not very readable. --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup>[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</sup> 15:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
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