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==== Hip hop song stubs ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' both from 'single' to 'song'. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 16:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:2000s-hiphop-single-stub]] to [[Template:2000s-hiphop-song-stub]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:2010s-hiphop-single-stub]] to [[Template:2010s-hiphop-song-stub]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' For stub-sorting purposes, I don't see much of a need to distinguish between song stubs and single stubs, unless there is a significant difference between the number of songs that aren't released as singles and songs that are. For the most part, I would think most hip hop songs from the 2000s and 2010s are going to be singles but the more logical initial diffusion from [[:Category:Hip hop song stubs]] would be by decade with the same parameter ("song" rather than "single"). For example, [[:Category:2000s rock song stubs]] was created a year before [[:Category:2000s rock single stubs]] (and I'm not sure there's really much difference between how those are being used). <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 23:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
::I found one of the original discussions on the singles/songs stubs distinction '''[[Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/January_2006|(here)]]''', and also there's this note on the {{cl|Singles (music)}}: "Articles about music singles. Individual songs should not be listed here, nor should they get categorized by categories of the types "Singles by [artist]" or "[Artist] singles". Instead, songs should all go under subcategories of Category:Songs by artist." Just FYI. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' ''([[User talk:Pegship|speak]])'' 01:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
*''' Support '''- Support per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 18:56, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
*''' Support ''': The distinction between song and single is irrelevant in this context. I was just looking up this category so I could add the appropriate stub to an article, and I was searching using the term "song." [[User:Jmertel23|Jmertel23]] ([[User talk:Jmertel23|talk]]) 13:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*<s>''' Support '''</s>''' Comment '''- Many songs with articles are singles. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 13:40, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''': the infobox template {{tl|Infobox single}} has been deprecated and song articles all use {{tl|Infobox song}} now, regardless of whether they are a single or not... likewise, there's no need to specify that a song is a single, for stub sorting – the article is about a song, period. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 17:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Jewish activists ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. For the record, a [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_March_13#Category:Jewish_activists|discussion in 2016 about this category]] was also closed as keep. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Jewish activists}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The term "activist" is so vague and the category so broad that it is neither meaningful, nor helpful to anyone. Many of the more narrow sub-categories are fine. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Jayjg|<span style="color: DarkGreen;">(talk)</span>]]</small></sup> 23:11, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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**"Well populated", perhaps, in the sense that there are many things in it, but not, I think, populated well, as the contents are still neither meaningful nor helpful (and, I would argue, filled with inappropriate entries too). [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Jayjg|<span style="color: DarkGreen;">(talk)</span>]]</small></sup>
* '''Keep''' The term activist is not too broad and vague to be useful. For example, I created an article about [[Erica Garner]]. The term "activist" has been used throughout to indicate her nature, including the following categories: [[:category:21st-century African-American activists]]; [[:category:Activists from New York City]]; [[:category:American women activists]]; [[:category:Anti-corruption activists]]. While the article has had plenty of attention, nobody has challenged or changed these descriptions and classifications, which are widely used in numerous other articles. Note also that this nomination seems to be a spinoff from a similar nomination: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish American activists]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 19:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
**Andrew, your example really proves my point; Erica Garner belongs in various meaningful sub-categories of "activists". Are you arguing that "Jewish activists" should be a container category? That would certainly be a more defensible argument. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Jayjg|<span style="color: DarkGreen;">(talk)</span>]]</small></sup> 21:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' The nominator has failed to properly give reasons for deletion, and we actually have a main article on [[activism]]. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 07:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Saturday Night Live players ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Saturday Night Live players}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:PERFCAT]]. Has been [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_25#Category:Actors_by_series|deleted before]]. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 23:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Speedy delete''' per [[WP:G4]]. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 16:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:1962 Border Conference football season ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|1962 Border Conference football season}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' empty category; the [[Border Conference]] folded before the 1962 football season, so this is a non-existent entity. [[User:Jweiss11|Jweiss11]] ([[User talk:Jweiss11|talk]]) 18:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' as per nom. I created the category as found on [[:Special:WantedCategories]] [[User:Gjs238|Gjs238]] ([[User talk:Gjs238|talk]]) 13:15, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Social problem films ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge''' to [[:Category:Films about social issues]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 00:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Social problem films}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Awfully vague... —[[User:Swpb|<u>swpb</u>]]<sup>[[User talk:Swpb|T]] • [[WP:BEYOND|go beyond]] • [[WP:MIAB|bad idea]]</sup> 17:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Comment:''' I considered "social problem film" to be a genre (why else does it have [[social problem film|an article]]?), that is why I created a category for it. But if it shouldn't stay, perhaps merge it with [[:Category:Films about social issues]]. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 17:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' and move article to existing Category:Films about social issues. [[User:Gjs238|Gjs238]] ([[User talk:Gjs238|talk]]) 02:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Islamic dress ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''rename all'''. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 01:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Islamic dress]] to [[:Category:Islamic clothing]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Islamic female dress]] to [[:Category:Islamic female clothing]] ''(added upon relisting)''
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* '''Relisting comment''', the subcategories have been added to the nomination. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:51, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - per nom. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 10:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Christian denominations active in Germany ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge'''. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 03:35, 10 March 2019 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Christian denominations active in Germany]] to [[:Category:Christian denominations in Germany]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''upmerge''' per [[WP:OVERLAPCAT]], the scope of this category largely overlaps with its parent category. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Merge per nom''' for now. The question of merging both to something else ought to be left for a separate discussion. One of these has a LDS article. While I have no time for their beliefs, I see no reason why the article should not exist and be in the category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:48, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge'''. Invertedly, perhaps a "Defunct" category could be added, as is the case for some dioceses etc. [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 22:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:African-American football quarterbacks ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge to both parents''', i.e. to [[:Category:African-American players of American football]] and [[:Category:American football quarterbacks ]].<br/>Those favouring keep were slightly outnumbered by the delete supporters, but [[WP:NOTVOTE]]. Both sides presented arguments well-founded in policy. The keep side was boosted by impressive evidence that "African-American football quarterbacks" ''is'' recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right on which an encyclopedic head article could be written. That satisfies [[WP:EGRS#General]].<br>However, those favouring removing the category pointed to [[WP:FINAL RUNG]], which says ''"an ethnicity/gender/religion/sexuality/disability subcategory should never be implemented as the final rung in a category tree, unless the parent is (or will become) purely a container category"''. That does apply here, and my reading of WP:EGRS is that the "never" in that text applies even if the distinct-and-unique-cultural-topic test is met.<br/>So on the balance of both numbers ''and'' of policy-based arguments, I weigh this as a weak consensus to merge.<br/> To facilitate anyone who wants to make a list, I will list the category's contents on this day's talk page. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 04:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
::'''List''' as promised is at [[WT:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 26#Category:African-American_football_quarterbacks]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 04:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|African-American football quarterbacks}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Not a defining characteristic per WP:CATDEF; non-notable intersection of race and football position [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 16:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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:* '''Merge''' to [[:Category:African-American players of American football]] per comment below. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:19, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' the ERGS rules say avoid the lowest level intersection. This is especially true of ethnicity categories often applied more as race categories. Unless you can convince me that men like [[Ezekiel Ansah]] who never set foot in the US before college are being excluded from African-American categories I am unconvinced they are anything other than race categories.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 08:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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* The need of a ''separate'' list for quarterbacks is questionable. A more general list of African-American footballers (in which the position may also be mentioned) sounds more natural. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
* '''Additional comment''' – I think this category is a defining characteristic, or a notable intersection of two defining characteristics, for the reasons explained in our article [[Racial issues faced by black quarterbacks]]. I added about 40 articles to [[:Category:African-American football quarterbacks]]. The articles in this category all (or almost all) mention that the subject is a black quarterback (often the first black quarterback on their team). Here are some quotes:
**{{tq2|There has been a mountain of heartbroken, talented would-be black quarterbacks who were “converted” to defensive backs and wide receivers. Constrained by the wrongheaded notion that brains and extraordinary athletic ability were incompatible, generations of blacks were deemed too talented, in some eyes, to play quarterback or not cerebral enough to play the position.|source=[http://theundefeated.com/features/lamar-jackson-and-the-rise-of-black-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl/ The Undefeated]}}
**{{tq2|Over the history of the NFL, which was founded in 1920, black athletes for decades weren’t given a chance to play quarterback. Talented black college quarterbacks, especially those from historically black colleges and universities, were converted to defensive back or wide receiver. But when [[Doug Williams (quarterback)|Doug Williams]] led the Washington Redskins to the championship 30 years ago and was named Super Bowl MVP, it seemed to end once and for all the odd question of whether black NFL quarterbacks could succeed.|source=[https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/article218652835.html Raleigh News and Observer]}}
**{{tq2|All these years later, he was still proud of Williams, whose name to some may be that of a half-remembered player from the past but to millions of others remains a powerful symbol of progress. It stayed with me, and it seemed that it was worth telling the story not just of Williams, but of everyone—of all those generations of players who struggled so that Russell Wilson could be, simply, a good young quarterback. So the Deadspin staff set out to find and name every single black quarterback ever to play in the NFL. ... Though black NFL quarterbacks make up one of the smallest fraternities in all of sports, no one anywhere had ever compiled an exhaustive list. No one knows the names of every black quarterback ever to play in the NFL for sure, including us.|source=[https://deadspin.com/the-big-book-of-black-quarterbacks-1517763742? Deadspin's "Big Book of Black Quarterbacks"]}}
**{{tq2|[[Marlin Briscoe]] didn’t want to be pigeonholed simply because of stereotypes against black men. He was a star quarterback in college and he believed he had the talent, intelligence and leadership skills to be one in the pros. Fifty years ago, during an era of massive social upheaval in the United States, just getting a chance to prove it took a risky ultimatum. ... Briscoe’s groundbreaking accomplishments were somewhat lost in the shuffle during one of the most transformative years in U.S. history. ... But Briscoe’s legacy resonates among his contemporaries 50 years later, hitting on race as well as the pressures athletes face in pro sports. The Pro Football Hall of Fame calls Briscoe the first African-American starting quarterback in modern pro football history. Carolina’s [[Cam Newton]] and Seattle’s [[Russell Wilson]] have both considered Briscoe’s past as they contend for championships. Doug Williams, the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl, counts Briscoe as one of his most important inspirations.|source=[https://apnews.com/284bdd6f3ad34ca79cc1d981432e72e1 AP News]}}
**{{tq2|It’s not a secret that the quarterback position in the NFL has historically been dominated by white players. ... Despite the lack of black starting quarterbacks in the past, there were certainly many players who paved the way for these aforementioned names. Here is a list of the best black quarterbacks of all time.|source=[https://www.complex.com/sports/best-black-quarterbacks/ Complex]}}
**{{tq2|It is no secret that in the early days of the NFL, the owners and coaches were very reluctant to give the reigns of a team to a black player. As recently as 2007, the New York Giants had never had a black quarterback throw even a single pass. In 1934, there was an informal ban on black athletes. ... Still, the abolishing of the ban did not do a whole lot to help enable blacks to play the quarterback position. ... After [Doug] Williams' selection, there was a drought for black QBs entering the league. It took five more years to see another black player drafted for the quarterback position. It wasn't until the 1980s that the black quarterback became a little more acceptable, yet still not very common. As the 80s and 90s progressed, however, so too did the acceptance of black quarterbacks.|source=[https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-african-american-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history/ The Sporster]}}
:And books:
:*{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=_L_unQEACAAJ&dq=%22black+quarterbacks%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ-s_ciOzgAhXmQd8KHUS6AfYQ6AEILjAB|title=N.F.L. Black Quarterbacks Underrated|last=Jordan|first=Billy Joe|date=2005|publisher=AuthorHouse|isbn=9781420896657|language=en}}
:*{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=NWoIAAAACAAJ&dq=%22black+quarterbacks%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ-s_ciOzgAhXmQd8KHUS6AfYQ6AEIKjAA|title=Intentional Grounding: The History of Black Quarterbacks in the NFL|last=Martin|first=Wisdom T.|date=2003-04-01|publisher=AuthorHouse|isbn=9781403395535|language=en}}
:*{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PraBAAAAMAAJ&q=%22black+quarterbacks%22&dq=%22black+quarterbacks%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ-s_ciOzgAhXmQd8KHUS6AfYQ6AEIMzAC|title=Third and a Mile: The Trials and Triumph of the Black Quarterback|last=Rhoden|first=William C.|date=2007-01-30|publisher=ESPN Books|isbn=9781933060118|language=en}}
:*{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=sOeBAAAAMAAJ&q=%22black+quarterbacks%22&dq=%22black+quarterbacks%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ-s_ciOzgAhXmQd8KHUS6AfYQ6AEIVDAJ|title=Quarterblack: Shattering the NFL Myth|last=Williams|first=Doug|date=1990|publisher=Bonus Books|isbn=9780929387475|language=en}}
:It seems to me like it should be a category and stand-alone list (there are 100+ on the Deadspin's Big Book), but if that's not the consensus, I hope there's at least consensus for keeping a list of black quarterbacks ''somewhere'', perhaps in [[Racial issues faced by black quarterbacks]] or [[Black players in professional American football]], or as a stand-alone list. [[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">[[User talk:Levivich|ich]]</span> 23:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I started [[List of black quarterbacks]]. I will be adding to it. There are 100+ sourced examples out there, I think each of which already have an article here. [[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">[[User talk:Levivich|ich]]</span> 23:01, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Most articles included, like [[Jacoby Brissett]], have no sources that indicate the person's ethnicity. This opens up a whole host of issues, especially for living people. IMO, sorting by ethnicity is a terrible mess of BLP violations. This category in particular should be deleted per nom.--[[User:Namiba|TM]] 12:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
::The sources supporting the addition of those articles to the black quarterback category are listed above and/or in the articles themselves. [[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">[[User talk:Levivich|ich]]</span> 02:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per the arguments of Levivich. At the very least, merge it to [[:Category:African-American players of American football]]. [[User:Lepricavark|Lepricavark]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 01:40, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
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