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==== Hip hop song stubs ====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' both from 'single' to 'song'. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 16:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:2000s-hiphop-single-stub]] to [[Template:2000s-hiphop-song-stub]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:2010s-hiphop-single-stub]] to [[Template:2010s-hiphop-song-stub]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' For stub-sorting purposes, I don't see much of a need to distinguish between song stubs and single stubs, unless there is a significant difference between the number of songs that aren't released as singles and songs that are. For the most part, I would think most hip hop songs from the 2000s and 2010s are going to be singles but the more logical initial diffusion from [[:Category:Hip hop song stubs]] would be by decade with the same parameter ("song" rather than "single"). For example, [[:Category:2000s rock song stubs]] was created a year before [[:Category:2000s rock single stubs]] (and I'm not sure there's really much difference between how those are being used). <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 23:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
::I found one of the original discussions on the singles/songs stubs distinction '''[[Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/January_2006|(here)]]''', and also there's this note on the {{cl|Singles (music)}}: "Articles about music singles. Individual songs should not be listed here, nor should they get categorized by categories of the types "Singles by [artist]" or "[Artist] singles". Instead, songs should all go under subcategories of Category:Songs by artist." Just FYI. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' ''([[User talk:Pegship|speak]])'' 01:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
*''' Support '''- Support per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 18:56, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
*''' Support ''': The distinction between song and single is irrelevant in this context. I was just looking up this category so I could add the appropriate stub to an article, and I was searching using the term "song." [[User:Jmertel23|Jmertel23]] ([[User talk:Jmertel23|talk]]) 13:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*<s>''' Support '''</s>''' Comment '''- Many songs with articles are singles. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 13:40, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''': the infobox template {{tl|Infobox single}} has been deprecated and song articles all use {{tl|Infobox song}} now, regardless of whether they are a single or not... likewise, there's no need to specify that a song is a single, for stub sorting – the article is about a song, period. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 17:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''merge to both parents''', i.e. to [[:Category:African-American players of American football]] and [[:Category:American football quarterbacks ]].<br/>Those favouring keep were slightly outnumbered by the delete supporters, but [[WP:NOTVOTE]]. Both sides presented arguments well-founded in policy. The keep side was boosted by impressive evidence that "African-American football quarterbacks" ''is'' recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right on which an encyclopedic head article could be written. That satisfies [[WP:EGRS#General]].<br>However, those favouring removing the category pointed to [[WP:FINAL RUNG]], which says ''"an ethnicity/gender/religion/sexuality/disability subcategory should never be implemented as the final rung in a category tree, unless the parent is (or will become) purely a container category"''. That does apply here, and my reading of WP:EGRS is that the "never" in that text applies even if the distinct-and-unique-cultural-topic test is met.<br/>So on the balance of both numbers ''and'' of policy-based arguments, I weigh this as a weak consensus to merge.<br/> To facilitate anyone who wants to make a list, I will list the category's contents on this day's talk page. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 04:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
::'''List''' as promised is at [[WT:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 26#Category:African-American_football_quarterbacks]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 04:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|African-American football quarterbacks}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Not a defining characteristic per WP:CATDEF; non-notable intersection of race and football position [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 16:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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:* '''Merge''' to [[:Category:African-American players of American football]] per comment below. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:19, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' the ERGS rules say avoid the lowest level intersection. This is especially true of ethnicity categories often applied more as race categories. Unless you can convince me that men like [[Ezekiel Ansah]] who never set foot in the US before college are being excluded from African-American categories I am unconvinced they are anything other than race categories.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 08:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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