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: I have split Atauro from Dili. Do ping me if you would like further modifications. [[User:Seloloving|Seloloving]] ([[User talk:Seloloving|talk]]) 11:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::That's great, thanks! {{tl|Resolved}}: [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 13:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
== Request: SVG locator map for English-speaking countries ==
<gallery>
File:Anglospeak(800px)Countries.png|current PNG map
Anglospeak.svg|replacement SVG map
File:Anglophone_World.svg|New map
</gallery>
;Article(s):
: [[Template:English official language clickable map]]
;Request:
: Could the SVG map be modified to fit the template (should at least be cropped), or the template be modified to fit the SVG, so that the PNG can be replaced? Thanks -- — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 22:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
;Discussion:
:@[[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] {{done}} — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]] • [[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 17:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks, the cropping's good, but it still doesn't fit the template. Do we need to manually adjust the encoding for the links, or is there an easier way to address this? — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 22:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
:::{{{re|Kwamikagami}} What's the point of replacing a map that isn't meant to be expanded? Also, why modify an SVG map to fit the template and not simply add the hyperlinks to the SVG? [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 23:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::::That's why I said "or the template be modified to fit the SVG." You guys know how these things work, not me. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 01:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::First things first. Let's start by identifying the issues with the current map and then we'll take it from there. Is there a particular reason why you want to replace the png map? I ask because the last thing we want is invest time in something that doesn't address the real problem. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 02:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Kwamikagami|Berrely}} I went ahead and created a [[User:M.Bitton/sandbox|new map]]: rather than work around the old fashioned image map, I opted for a more flexible template (one that uses an SVG map, as requested, while making it easy for the editors to change the links, the size of text, the number of columns, etc.). Please have a look and let me know what you think. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, {{reply|M.Bitton}}. With the current template, the link to the languages of Guyana is in Peru, and that for Bermuda is in the Bahamas. It's frustrating enough to try to find links for the smaller countries that I suspect that few people use them at all.
::::::There are quite a few additional varieties of English, but this way we can see what's still missing (e.g. Hawaiian, Pitcairn, Bermuda, Leeward Isles, etc.). Plus it looks much nicer. Even with a few missing varieties, IMO it's an improvement, so I support replacing the current template with yours. The title would no longer be accurate, though, so probably best to move it as well. Is that something you should do, or could I?
::::::The current map is used on quite a few other wikis. I haven't checked how many of the varieties they actually have articles for, or if they're mostly just links to the country articles, so I don't know how often your new map would be better than the current one they're using. WP-ar, -fa, -hy, -mzn make quite extensive use of it; a dozen other wikis in a more moderate number of articles, or not even translated. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 23:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Kwamikagami}} I'm not sure what you mean by 'the title'. Unfortunately, by trying to decipher the rather small current map, I ended up missing islands (which can still be added). I'm still trying to understand what the two colours are meant to represent and wondering whether I should start afresh, maybe even turning the numbers into links. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::{{reply|M.Bitton}} The difference is how much English is actually spoken in the country. Dark blue means it's the majority native language. Nearly everyone will speak English quite well, unless they're immigrants, and even then their children will. Light blue generally means it's the or a language of education. People will speak it to varying degrees of competency, and a lot of people won't speak it at all, and children will generally speak something else. In India and Tanzania, for example, you're probably fine with English in the cities, but once you get to the villages, it's of limited use. In Guyana, most speak an English creole for most things, which really needs to be learned as a separate language, though it's close to English. Some cases may be borderline, but those can be debated on the talk page.
::::::::By "title", I meant that "English official language clickable map" would no longer be appropriate if it's not clickable.
::::::::I don't have any strong feelings on whether the numbers should be links, but if they are, they should be customizable, both for when new articles are added to WP-en and for adapting the template to other wikis. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::I now have a clearer idea of what needs to be done. Since the islands are a bit fiddly (with some either missing or hardly visible on the base map), I think it's best not to rush it and instead finish properly it this weekend. In the meantime, if you think of anything that should be added, please let me know. Best, [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks, and yes, please take your time. No rush.
::::::::::Yes, being able to see islands on a reduced-scale map can be a problem, esp. in the Caribbean where they crowd each other. But the crowding is ameliorated by "English of the Windward and Leeward Islands", which covers the smaller islands within [[Caribbean English]]. Myself, I try to add rings that are large and thick enough to be readily visible at a reduced scale (and clickable if need be) but not so much as to obscure the underlying terrain. Not always easy. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 07:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{Done}} {{re|Kwamikagami}} Please have a look at the finished template (especially the links) and let me know if I missed something. With regard to the "title", you have two choices: you can either create a new template or rename (move) the current one. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 23:52, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{re|M.Bitton}} That looks really nice! I like the blow-out of the Lesser Antilles and Cyprus. I notice offhand that Tuvalu's missing, but we don't have an article and it looks like the status of English may be mostly a formality. There are probably a few other things like that, that might not be worth including (e.g. the BIOT, which has no permanent population, but then neither does South Georgia, which we do list). I don't know what our criteria should be, e.g. [[Languages of the Gambia]], [[Seychelles#Languages]]. I'll ask at the language project.
::::::::::::Re. the width, is there a reason for pre-setting it, or could we put it at 100% the reader's screen? I don't need to scroll much on a laptop, but I wonder if it might be a problem on a smaller screen. On the other hand, maybe it would be a problem of being too small if it were scalable. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 00:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::{{re|Kwamikagami}} I see no reason to exclude the Gambia and Seychelles, but I'll await and see what other regions should be added before updating the map. The width has to be pre-set unfortunately. We can make it smaller, but to be honest, for a map that does not display in the mobile view of Wikipedia (since it's displayed inside a Navbox), 1280x650 is already small by today's standards. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 16:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::What is number 3? (Québec? Why a different number for this province?)
::::::::::::::Other than that: 4 = Republic of Ireland, 5 = Isle of Manx, 6 = Scotland, 7 = England, 8&9 = Channel Islands, 10 = Wales => Where's Northern Ireland? [[User:A455bcd9|A455bcd9]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 12:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|M.Bitton}} Got some feedback. Besides Gambia and the Seychelles, we have Vanuatu, Singapore, Hong Kong, Somaliland, Eritrea, Gibraltar, Pitcairn, Norfolk, Sint Eustatius, Sint Maarten, Saba, Christmas Island, Cocos/Keeling Islands, Cook Islands, Guam, N. Marianas, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, F.S.Micronesia, Nauru, Niue, Palau, Samoa, American Samoa, Tokelau.
In Tuvalu, English is official but not actually used. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to include it.
AFAICT, these should all be medium blue; e.g. Norfolk is 45% native-speaking English. The Dutch territories are reported to have majority English speakers, but my understanding is that that 'English' is largely Virgin Island creole, and so should be the same color as the VI's.
50 and 51, on the other hand, should be changed to dark blue, and BIOT should be added as dark blue.
Also, I've lost track: where is the key to the numbers? [[User:Kwamikagami|— kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 02:47, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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