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::::20 years of organic growth has turned Wikipedia policies into a minefield of walls of text some of which are over 12 print pages long. It's not possible to pro-actively prevent COPYVIO because at NPP we are dealing with new pages that have already been created. Nobody reads walls of text any more than most of us bother to read the T&C before buying something online. This does not help new users and/or near native English speakers to understand why we don't want a page on their garage band or chunks of text copied from their school's prospectus or website or any other print or Internet media. Educating new users is a very fine and delicate line, particularly where the WMF policy is to include all new articles irrespective of quality, and boost the number of users irrespective of their motives. We are already having discussions with the WMF about what can be done about that, but one thing at a time - the engineering side of the WMF is a very torpid animal. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 04:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:I agree that using PD licensed text is so rarely appropriate that it's not worth mentioning. It's a relic from the project's early days when we copied liberally from Britannica 1911 etc.; nowadays doing that is frowned upon for stylistic reasons, even if the text is copyright-free. For the sake of simplicity I'd omit mention of image copyrights entirely. It's a matter for Commons really, and I don't think many new page reviewers would investigate the copyright status of images. – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 05:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
== MOS:BLANKALT ==
Hello again! New thing to complain about: [[MOS:BLANKALT]]. For licensing reasons, we cannot have a non-clickable image unless it is in the public ___domain or under {{t|CC0}}. Two of the images ([[:File:Questionmark copyright.svg]] and [[:File:Notability pyramid.svg]]) are not under such a license, so I have made them into clickable images for the time being. I agree that non-clickable images would be better, which means that we need to find PD images. I also added a blank alt parameter, which just makes things better for screen readers.<span id="HouseBlaster:1673062742687:Help_talkFTTCLNUnreviewed_new_page" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|Blaster]]<sup>[[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]</sup> 03:39, 7 January 2023 (UTC)</span>
: For the notability pyramid, it might be worth asking {{u|Thryduulf}} if they'd be willing to relicense the image as public ___domain since they're still active. Unfortunately that won't work for the question mark image since it has several authors some of whom are long gone. I suggest using the public-___domain [[:File:Red copyright.svg]] instead. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 03:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Notability_pyramid.svg&diff=prev&oldid=723535593]. I'd actually forgotten about that image, but it seems it's in heavy use on the Urdu Wikipedia! [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 13:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:::{{re|HouseBlaster|Pppery|Thryduulf}}, thank you all for noticing it and addressing the issue. I no intention of using insufficiently licensed work I added those images to the page to make it mote appealing designing the layout of the page. Copyrights, after all these years, are obviously something that I never fully understood. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 13:29, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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