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#Redirect [[Help talk:Citation Style 1]]
== Minor bug in position of period ==
{{Rcat shell|
Note the position of the "." after "(PDF)" in {{tl|cite web}} but before it in {{tl|cite web/lua}}:
{{R from remote talk page}}
* {{cite web|url=http://www.ny.com/articles/chinatown.html|title=The History of New York's Chinatown|format=PDF|publisher=Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc.|accessdate=2011-03-05|year=2013}}
{{R from subpage}}
* {{cite web/lua|url=http://www.ny.com/articles/chinatown.html|title=The History of New York's Chinatown|format=PDF|publisher=Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc.|accessdate=2011-03-05|year=2013}}
(Also note that the ''publisher'' is being duplicated as of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACitation%2FCS1&diff=539076715&oldid=539048261 this diff] I think)
<font color="red">—[</font>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><font color="green">Alan</font><font color="blue">M</font><font color="purple">1</font></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<font color="red">]—</font> 19:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed dot & duplicate publisher:''' Thank you for testing the {cite_web/lua} format, which uses a completely different method of joining parameters, compared to {cite_web}. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 21:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
== Discrepancy in position of page number ==
Page parameter has moved:
* {{cite web|url=http://index.xinhua08.com/dqszs/bgxz/201107/P020110708322385591732.pdf|title=Xinhua-Dow Jones International Financial Centers Development Index (2011) |page=11 |publisher=CFC Holding Company, Ltd., Index Center and CME Group Index services LLC (Dow Jones Indexes)|date=July 8, 2011|accessdate=2013-02-04}}
* {{cite web/lua|url=http://index.xinhua08.com/dqszs/bgxz/201107/P020110708322385591732.pdf|title=Xinhua-Dow Jones International Financial Centers Development Index (2011) |page=11 |publisher=CFC Holding Company, Ltd., Index Center and CME Group Index services LLC (Dow Jones Indexes)|date=July 8, 2011|accessdate=2013-02-04}}
<font color="red">—[</font>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><font color="green">Alan</font><font color="blue">M</font><font color="purple">1</font></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<font color="red">]—</font> 19:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Shifted page after date:''' Thanks again for testing the {cite_web/lua} format. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 21:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
== Missing period after work parameter ==
This demonstrates a missing period after the ''work'' parameter:
* {{cite web| title = Statue of Liberty| work=World Heritage| publisher=© UNESCO World Heritage Centre 1992–2011| url = http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/307| accessdate =2011-10-23}}
* {{cite web/lua| title = Statue of Liberty| work=World Heritage| publisher=© UNESCO World Heritage Centre 1992–2011| url = http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/307| accessdate =2011-10-23}}
(''publisher'' is wrapped in parens and dup'd, too, but this may be a temporary thing)
<font color="red">—[</font>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><font color="green">Alan</font><font color="blue">M</font><font color="purple">1</font></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<font color="red">]—</font> 19:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Parentheses are for journal format:''' The {cite_web/lua} adds parentheses around "(publisher)" when it thinks the cite is for a journal (as variable "Periodical"), so that has caused the confusion. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 21:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
==Extra . before publisher==
*<code><nowiki>{{cite web
|url=http://www.example.org/
|title=My Favorite Things, Part II
|publisher=Example publisher
|accessdate=6 July 2005
}}</nowiki></code>
:{{cite web
|url=http://www.example.org/
|title=My Favorite Things, Part II
|publisher=Example publisher
|accessdate=6 July 2005
}}
:{{cite web/lua
|url=http://www.example.org/
|title=My Favorite Things, Part II
|publisher=Example publisher
|accessdate=6 July 2005
}}
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed''' to match. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 05:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
==Square brackets not quite in right places==
*<code><nowiki>{{cite web
|url=http://www.example.org/
|title=Honi soit qui mal y pense
|last=Joliet
|first=François
|date=30 April 2005
|accessdate=6 July 2005
|language=French
|trans_title=Shame on those who think evil
}}</nowiki></code>
:{{cite web
|url=http://www.example.org/
|title=Honi soit qui mal y pense
|last=Joliet
|first=François
|date=30 April 2005
|accessdate=6 July 2005
|language=French
|trans_title=Shamed be he who thinks evil of it
}}
:{{cite web/lua
|url=http://www.example.org/
|title=Honi soit qui mal y pense
|last=Joliet
|first=François
|date=30 April 2005
|accessdate=6 July 2005
|language=French
|trans_title=Shamed be he who thinks evil of it
}}
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
==Format and language transposed==
*<code><nowiki>{{cite web
|url=http://www.incb.org/pdf/e/list/green.pdf
|title=List of psychotropic substances under international control
|date=30 April 2005
|format=PDF
|accessdate=6 July 2005
|language=Greek
}}</nowiki></code>
:{{cite web
|url=http://www.incb.org/pdf/e/list/green.pdf
|title=List of psychotropic substances under international control
|date=30 April 2005
|format=PDF
|accessdate=6 July 2005
|language=Greek
}}
:{{cite web/lua
|url=http://www.incb.org/pdf/e/list/green.pdf
|title=List of psychotropic substances under international control
|date=30 April 2005
|format=PDF
|accessdate=6 July 2005
|language=Greek
}}
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed''' to match. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 21:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
==Wrong link when archiveurl specified and deadurl=no==
*<code><nowiki>{{Cite web
|url=http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03772.html
|title=London, United Kingdom Forecast : Weather Underground (weather and elevation at Heathrow Airport)
|publisher=The Weather Underground, Inc.
|ref=harv
| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5yo0HaAk7 |archivedate=19 May 2011| deadurl=no
}}</nowiki></code>
:{{Cite web
|url=http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03772.html
|title=London, United Kingdom Forecast : Weather Underground (weather and elevation at Heathrow Airport)
|publisher=The Weather Underground, Inc.
|ref=harv
| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5yo0HaAk7 |archivedate=19 May 2011| deadurl=no
}}
:{{Cite web/lua
|url=http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03772.html
|title=London, United Kingdom Forecast : Weather Underground (weather and elevation at Heathrow Airport)
|publisher=The Weather Underground, Inc.
|ref=harv
| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5yo0HaAk7 |archivedate=19 May 2011| deadurl=no
}}
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed''' to match. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 21:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
==No warning if archiveurl specified and archivedate is not==
*<code><nowiki>{{Cite web
|url=http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03772.html
|title=London, United Kingdom Forecast : Weather Underground (weather and elevation at Heathrow Airport)
|publisher=The Weather Underground, Inc.
|ref=harv
| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5yo0HaAk7 |deadurl=no
}}</nowiki></code>
:{{Cite web
|url=http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03772.html
|title=London, United Kingdom Forecast : Weather Underground (weather and elevation at Heathrow Airport)
|publisher=The Weather Underground, Inc.
|ref=harv
| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5yo0HaAk7 |deadurl=no
}}
:{{Cite web/lua
|url=http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03772.html
|title=London, United Kingdom Forecast : Weather Underground (weather and elevation at Heathrow Airport)
|publisher=The Weather Underground, Inc.
|ref=harv
| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5yo0HaAk7 | deadurl=no
}}
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
== Anchors ==
{{tl|Citation}} creates an anchor by default, where {{cs1}} template create them only when {{para|ref}} is set. {{tl|Citation/lua}} does not create the anchor by default. None of the Lua templates create the {{para|ref|harv}} anchor properly: the year is missing. --'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 20:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Set {Citation/lua} as ref=harv and put year.''' For any {Citation/lua}, the span-tag id now uses ref=harv format. The Lua script had to be changed to check for missing/empty "year=" and then extract the year from the date parameter to insert inside the span-tag id. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 05:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
== No printonly URL ==
First difference I've spotted is {{t1|Cite web}} has a <nowiki><span class="printonly"></nowiki> tag for urls but this is not included in {{t1|Cite web/lua}}. (Copied from [[Template talk:Citation/core]])
Compare
*<nowiki>{{cite web|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}</nowiki>
*Result: {{cite web|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}
*<nowiki>{{cite web/lua|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}</nowiki>
*Result: {{cite web/lua|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}
no normal visible difference but the html sources are considerable different
<nowiki><span class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc">"Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)"</a> (DOC)<span class="printonly">. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc">http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc</a></span><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 1 September 2008</span>.</span>.</nowiki>
<nowiki><span class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc">"Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)"</a> (DOC). Retrieved 1 September 2008.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fmha.nic.in%2Fdocs%2FBM_Intro%28E%29.doc&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3A&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Ministry+of+Home+Affairs+%28Department+of+Border+Management%29&rfr_id=info:sid/en.wikipedia.org:User:Salix alba/sandbox" style="display: none;"> </span>.</nowiki>
The latter has the CoiNS but no printonly.--[[User:Salix alba|Salix]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 20:07, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:Is that really needed? When I try a print preview in both Firefox & IE, the current cite web version shows the URL twice. With the lua version, it only shows the URL once. Does it need to be shown twice for the printed version? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
::It seems that it might not be, there is a css rule for the a.external.text class which inserts the url and the printonly span duplicates this behaviour [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/commonPrint.css?view=markup commonPrint.css].
<source lang="css">
@media print
#content a.external.text:after,
#content a.external.autonumber:after {
/* Expand URLs for printing */
content: " (" attr(href) ") ";
}
</source>
Looks like this is a bug in {{t1|Citation/core}}. However it does require the user agent can work with the :after css tag. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 22:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
== reference-accessdate class ==
The access date should be wrapped in {{tag|span|params=class="reference-accessdate"}} allowing readers to hide the access date as desired.
{{markup
|<nowiki>{{cite web|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}</nowiki>
|{{cite web|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}
{{code|{{cite web|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}}}
|<nowiki>{{cite web/lua|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}</nowiki>
|{{cite web/lua|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}
{{code|{{cite web/lua|title=Ministry of Home Affairs (Department of Border Management)|url=http://mha.nic.in/docs/BM_Intro(E).doc|format=DOC|accessdate=1 September 2008}}}}
}}
--'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 20:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed''' to match. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 21:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
== Separators ==
The biggest visible difference between {{tl|citation}} and the CS1 templates is that citation uses a comma as a separator by default, while the CS1 ones use a period; this can be changed by the {{para|separator}} parameter. However, {{tl|citation/lua}} always uses a period, and ignores the separator parameter. This should be fixed to match the existing templates. Another closely related problem is that {{tl|citation/lua}} currently adds a spurious period after the issue number of a journal paper; e.g.
:<nowiki>{{citation/lua
| last1 = Benjamin | first1 = Arthur T. | author1-link = Arthur T. Benjamin | last2 = Orrison | first2 = M. E.
| title = Two quick combinatorial proofs of <math>\scriptstyle \sum k^3 = {n+1\choose 2}^2</math>
| journal = [[College Mathematics Journal]]
| year = 2002
| volume = 33
| issue = 5
| pages = 406–408
| url = http://www.math.hmc.edu/~orrison/research/papers/two_quick.pdf}}.</nowiki>
:{{citation/lua
| last1 = Benjamin | first1 = Arthur T. | author1-link = Arthur T. Benjamin | last2 = Orrison | first2 = M. E.
| title = Two quick combinatorial proofs of <math>\scriptstyle \sum k^3 = {n+1\choose 2}^2</math>
| journal = [[College Mathematics Journal]]
| year = 2002
| volume = 33
| issue = 5
| pages = 406–408
| url = http://www.math.hmc.edu/~orrison/research/papers/two_quick.pdf}}
renders as "''[[College Mathematics Journal]]'' '''33''' (5).: 406–408". It should not have the period between the "(5)" and the following colon, and the periods after the publication year and the article title should both be commas. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Reworking to handle separator:''' It will take a few days to fix all dots, but I will change each dot "." to allow comma when {citation} or separator=c as Lua variable "sepc". The parameters for AuthorSep and AuthorNameSep are already used. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 22:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
== OCLC ==
The OCLC identifier link needs be updated from [[Online Computer Library Center]] to [[OCLC]] to reflect their name change. --'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 21:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Changed''' to match. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 22:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
== Empty url parameter ==
*<nowiki>{{cite journal/lua |author=Szilard L |authorlink= |title=On the nature of the aging process |journal=Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. |volume=45 |issue=1 |pages=30–45 |year=1959 |month=January |pmid=16590351 |pmc=222509 |doi= 10.1073/pnas.45.1.30|url=}}</nowiki>
*{{cite journal |author=Szilard L |authorlink= |title=On the nature of the aging process |journal=Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. |volume=45 |issue=1 |pages=30–45 |year=1959 |month=January |pmid=16590351 |pmc=222509 |doi= 10.1073/pnas.45.1.30|url=}}
*{{cite journal/lua |author=Szilard L |authorlink= |title=On the nature of the aging process |journal=Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. |volume=45 |issue=1 |pages=30–45 |year=1959 |month=January |pmid=16590351 |pmc=222509 |doi= 10.1073/pnas.45.1.30|url=}}
that is leaves a trailing [ ]. The authorlink suggests that link and url parameters that are empty are still being actioned, rather than ignored. [[User:RDBrown|RDBrown]] ([[User talk:RDBrown|talk]]) 21:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fix in progress.''' I think I found the Lua code to fix, for person.link ~= "" to bypass any empty authorlink or editorlink. We also need to ignore any empty "author=" to use "last=xx" instead. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 22:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:While the fix looks better, linking the title to the URL generated for the PMC is failing now.
:I've added the prior cite journal for comparison. Please also remove the superfluous ?tool=pmcentrez from the link URL [[User:RDBrown|RDBrown]] ([[User talk:RDBrown|talk]]) 05:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
::Yes- I removed that from {{tl|citation/identifier}} a few months ago. --'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 11:30, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
== Some tests ==
Here's a test for various other empty params -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
*'''cite web:''' {{cite web
|title=title|coauthor= |others= |editormask= |editorformat= |editors= |year = |publicationdate= |origyear= |date= |laydate= |booktitle= |conference= |trans_title= |department= |titlelink= |chapter= |chapterlink= |trans_chapter= |type= |archiveurl= |url= |chapterurl= |args.conferenceurl= |journal= |series= |volume= |issue= |page= |pages= |pp= |at= |edition= |place= |publisher= |subscription= |via= |accessdate= |archivedate= |agency= |deadurl= |language= |format= |ref= |arxiv= |asin= |ASIN-TLD= |bibcode= |doi= |doi_inactivedate= |id= |isbn= |issn= |jfm= |jstor= |lccn= |mr= |oclc= |ol= |osti= |pmc= |pmid= |rfc= |ssrn= |zbl= |quote= |postscript= |laysummary= |laysource= |transcript= |transcripturl=
}}
*'''cite web/lua:''' {{cite web/lua
|title=title|coauthor= |others= |editormask= |editorformat= |editors= |year = |publicationdate= |origyear= |date= |laydate= |booktitle= |conference= |trans_title= |department= |titlelink= |chapter= |chapterlink= |trans_chapter= |type= |archiveurl= |url= |chapterurl= |args.conferenceurl= |journal= |series= |volume= |issue= |page= |pages= |pp= |at= |edition= |place= |publisher= |subscription= |via= |accessdate= |archivedate= |agency= |deadurl= |language= |format= |ref= |arxiv= |asin= |ASIN-TLD= |bibcode= |doi= |doi_inactivedate= |id= |isbn= |issn= |jfm= |jstor= |lccn= |mr= |oclc= |ol= |osti= |pmc= |pmid= |rfc= |ssrn= |zbl= |quote= |postscript= |laysummary= |laysource= |transcript= |transcripturl=
}}
Here's a test for output checking. Doesn't need to be exactly the same but should be similar. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
*'''cite web:''' {{cite web
|title=title |coauthor= 1 |others= 2 |editormask= 3 |editorformat= 4 |editors= 5 |year = 6 |publicationdate= 7 |origyear= 8 |date= 9 |laydate= 10 |booktitle= 11 |conference= 12 |trans_title= 13 |department= 14 |titlelink= 15 |chapter= 16 |chapterlink= 17 |trans_chapter= 18 |type= 19 |archiveurl= 20 |url= 21 |chapterurl= 22 |args.conferenceurl= 23 |journal= 24 |series= 25 |volume= 26 |issue= 27 |page= 28 |pages= 29 |pp= 30 |at= 31 |edition= 32 |place= 33 |publisher= 34 |subscription= 35 |via= 36 |accessdate= 37 |archivedate= 38 |agency= 39 |deadurl= 40 |language= 41 |format= 42 |ref= 43 |arxiv= 44 |asin= 45 |ASIN-TLD= 46 |bibcode= 47 |doi= 48 |doi_inactivedate= 49 |id= 50 |isbn= 51 |issn= 52 |jfm= 53 |jstor= 54 |lccn= 55 |mr= 56 |oclc= 57 |ol= 58 |osti= 59 |pmc= 60 |pmid= 61 |rfc= 62 |ssrn= 63 |zbl= 64 |quote= 65 |postscript= 66 |laysummary= 67 |laysource= 68 |transcript= 69 |transcripturl= 70 |separator= _
}}
*'''cite web/lua:''' {{cite web/lua
|title=title |coauthor= 1 |others= 2 |editormask= 3 |editorformat= 4 |editors= 5 |year = 6 |publicationdate= 7 |origyear= 8 |date= 9 |laydate= 10 |booktitle= 11 |conference= 12 |trans_title= 13 |department= 14 |titlelink= 15 |chapter= 16 |chapterlink= 17 |trans_chapter= 18 |type= 19 |archiveurl= 20 |url= 21 |chapterurl= 22 |args.conferenceurl= 23 |journal= 24 |series= 25 |volume= 26 |issue= 27 |page= 28 |pages= 29 |pp= 30 |at= 31 |edition= 32 |place= 33 |publisher= 34 |subscription= 35 |via= 36 |accessdate= 37 |archivedate= 38 |agency= 39 |deadurl= 40 |language= 41 |format= 42 |ref= 43 |arxiv= 44 |asin= 45 |ASIN-TLD= 46 |bibcode= 47 |doi= 48 |doi_inactivedate= 49 |id= 50 |isbn= 51 |issn= 52 |jfm= 53 |jstor= 54 |lccn= 55 |mr= 56 |oclc= 57 |ol= 58 |osti= 59 |pmc= 60 |pmid= 61 |rfc= 62 |ssrn= 63 |zbl= 64 |quote= 65 |postscript= 66 |laysummary= 67 |laysource= 68 |transcript= 69 |transcripturl= 70 |separator= _
}}
* '''Working to omit blank parameters:''' I agree that blank parameters must be omitted because numerous articles contain several boilerplate templates where many optional parameters are blank in each cite. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 00:48, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== Issues in cite conference and corresponding citation ==
The {{tl|citation}} template
:<nowiki>{{citation
| last1 = Alon | first1 = N. | author1-link = Noga Alon
| last2 = Caro | first2 = Y.
| contribution = On the number of subgraphs of prescribed type of planar graphs with a given number of vertices
| editor1-last = Rosenfeld | editor1-first = M.
| editor2-last = Zaks | editor2-first = J.
| isbn = 978-0-444-86571-7
| mr = 0791009
| pages = 25–36
| publisher = Elsevier
| series = Annals of Discrete Mathematics 20, North-Holland Mathematical Studies 87
| title = Convexity and Graph Theory: proceedings of the Conference on Convexity and Graph Theory, Israel, March 1981
| year = 1984}}</nowiki>
produces
:{{citation
| last1 = Alon | first1 = N. | author1-link = Noga Alon
| last2 = Caro | first2 = Y.
| contribution = On the number of subgraphs of prescribed type of planar graphs with a given number of vertices
| editor1-last = Rosenfeld | editor1-first = M.
| editor2-last = Zaks | editor2-first = J.
| isbn = 978-0-444-86571-7
| mr = 0791009
| pages = 25–36
| publisher = Elsevier
| series = Annals of Discrete Mathematics 20, North-Holland Mathematical Studies 87
| title = Convexity and Graph Theory: proceedings of the Conference on Convexity and Graph Theory, Israel, March 1981
| year = 1984}}
When I try {{tl|citation/lua}} instead, as
:{{citation/lua
| last1 = Alon | first1 = N. | author1-link = Noga Alon
| last2 = Caro | first2 = Y.
| contribution = On the number of subgraphs of prescribed type of planar graphs with a given number of vertices
| editor1-last = Rosenfeld | editor1-first = M.
| editor2-last = Zaks | editor2-first = J.
| isbn = 978-0-444-86571-7
| mr = 0791009
| pages = 25–36
| publisher = Elsevier
| series = Annals of Discrete Mathematics 20, North-Holland Mathematical Studies 87
| title = Convexity and Graph Theory: proceedings of the Conference on Convexity and Graph Theory, Israel, March 1981
| year = 1984}}
I see two severe problems: the {{para|contribution}} (the title of the paper) is entirely missing, and the semicolon separating the editor name is missing. As more minor issues, although you have fixed many of the dots already (thanks!) there is still one between the page numbers and ISBN, and the commas after the publisher and between the ISBN and MR are missing. By the way, the {{tl|cite conference}} version of this citation,
:{{cite conference
| last1 = Alon | first1 = N. | author1-link = Noga Alon
| last2 = Caro | first2 = Y.
| title = On the number of subgraphs of prescribed type of planar graphs with a given number of vertices
| editor1-last = Rosenfeld | editor1-first = M.
| editor2-last = Zaks | editor2-first = J.
| isbn = 978-0-444-86571-7
| mr = 0791009
| pages = 25–36
| publisher = Elsevier
| series = Annals of Discrete Mathematics 20, North-Holland Mathematical Studies 87
| booktitle = Convexity and Graph Theory: proceedings of the Conference on Convexity and Graph Theory, Israel, March 1981
| year = 1984}}
has long had a problem where the period after the editor initial is doubled. There doesn't seem to currently be a {{tl|cite conference/lua}} template, but when that one gets done I hope that it can fix this old bug. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Lua can quickly avoid double-dots:''' I plan to fix the double ".." problems. The Lua language has a quick substring function as {{j|"string.sub(name,-1,-1)"}} to extract the final character from a string, check against dot "." and skip adding another dot. This will also be available to fix the original cite templates. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 00:48, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== et al. ==
CS1 templates do not italicize et al., as it is a commonly used term. There is an extra period after et al.
{{cite journal |last1=last1 |last2=Last2 |last3=last3 |last4=last4 |display-authors=2 |title=title}}
{{cite journal/lua |last1=last1 |last2=Last2 |last3=last3 |last4=last4 |display-authors=2 |title=title}}
--'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 01:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed''' to match. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 05:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== Handling vast set of parameters ==
I see the migration to the Lua-based templates will affect a vast array of cite parameters, but I think we have over 100 parameters already close to the same format. If we keep going for another week, I think we can fix most issues, such as ref ids and Harvard referencing. However, many of the minor cite template forks, such as [[Template:Cite press release]] or [[Template:Cite_video]], can remain in the markup version until we get time to handle all the format variations. Articles can have a mix of the Lua-based cites and original markup-based cites and still render. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 05:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
:Sounds very reasonable to me. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:06, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== series/volume/publisher order ==
It's very quickly becoming difficult to find any difference in formatting between this and the old templates — thanks for all the hard work! But here's one more.
{{tl|citation}}, for a book that has a {{para|series}}, a {{para|volume}} in the series, and a publisher, orders them series, volume, publisher:
*{{citation
| last1 = Aharoni | first1 = Y.
| last2 = Halperin | first2 = D.
| last3 = Hanniel | first3 = I.
| last4 = Har-Peled | first4 = S.
| last5 = Linhart | first5 = C.
| contribution = On-line zone construction in arrangements of lines in the plane
| doi = 10.1007/3-540-48318-7_13
| pages = 139–153
| publisher = Springer-Verlag
| series = Lecture Notes in Computer Science
| title = Proc. 3rd Int. Worksh. Algorithm Engineering (WAE '99)
| volume = 1668
| year = 1999}}.
But {{tl|citation/lua}} orders them series, publisher volume:
*{{citation/lua
| last1 = Aharoni | first1 = Y.
| last2 = Halperin | first2 = D.
| last3 = Hanniel | first3 = I.
| last4 = Har-Peled | first4 = S.
| last5 = Linhart | first5 = C.
| contribution = On-line zone construction in arrangements of lines in the plane
| doi = 10.1007/3-540-48318-7_13
| pages = 139–153
| publisher = Springer-Verlag
| series = Lecture Notes in Computer Science
| title = Proc. 3rd Int. Worksh. Algorithm Engineering (WAE '99)
| volume = 1668
| year = 1999}}.
Incidentally, I would be happy to see the boldfacing on the volume and the comma in front of it both go away, in this case, but maybe we should concentrate on matching what we already have before thinking about improvements. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Reset order, checking volume prefix:''' For years, the plan for the volume has been to automatically unbold, such as for prefix "Vol" or "vol" and then put a comma. To force unbold, then insert tag "</b>" prefix, as "volume = </b>1668". The time to improve for prior suggestions is now, while people are still checking to see if it works. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]]
**I think http://xkcd.com/1144/ adequately expresses my opinion about using mismatched tags. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 08:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== Position of "___location" versus "agency" fields ==
From [[Help talk:Citation Style 1#Position of "___location" versus "agency" fields]]:
As of this writing, the [[Template:Cite news|Cite news template]] has the <code>___location</code> field follow the <code>agency</code> field, rather than the <code>newspaper</code>/<code>work</code> field (see the "No author but sourced to a news agency" example in the documentation), which is confusing, since per the documentation the ___location field refers to the ___location of the newspaper ("[g]eographical place of publication"), not that of the news agency.
This has been discussed twice before ([[Template_talk:Cite_news/Archive_5#Agency.2C_newspaper.2C_and_location|Archive 5: Agency, newspaper, and ___location]] and [[Template_talk:Cite_news/Archive_5#"Location" of newspaper vs. "Location" of byline|Archive 5: "Location" of newspaper vs. "Location" of byline]]), but no conclusion/consensus was reached. Would someone please be so kind as to fix this?—[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 09:09, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:I agree, this has needed fixing for a long time. The present situation is obviously illogical and wrong. (One of a number of such things often mentioned but never fixed.) -- [[User:Alarics|Alarics]] ([[User talk:Alarics|talk]]) 13:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
::Please provide examples of current format and how you think it should be. --'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 15:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:::See [[Singapore]], footnote 62, which says "''AsiaOne''. Agence France-Presse (Singapore)." when it obviously should be "''AsiaOne'' (Singapore). Agence France-Presse." -- [[User:Alarics|Alarics]] ([[User talk:Alarics|talk]]) 17:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:::: Another: The '''No author but sourced to a news agency''' example I referenced above, taken from the template's documentation:
::::* As it is: {{cite news
|title=Drugs: Chips trader gets 15 years, 10 strokes
|url=http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=48660
|work=Daily Express
|___location=Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
|date=29 March 2007
|agency=Bernama
}}
::::* As it should be: "[http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=48660 Drugs: Chips trader gets 15 years, 10 strokes]". ''Daily Express'' (Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia). Bernama. 29 March 2007.
:::::—[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 14:47, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Comparison with Lua version:''' The placement of the "___location=" parameter could be shifted for only citation class "news" where other cites could have some alternate format:
::* '''Cite_news:''' {{cite news
|title=Drugs: Chips trader gets 15 years, 10 strokes
|url=http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=48660
|work=Daily Express |___location=Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
|date=29 March 2007 |agency=Bernama }}
::* '''Cite_news/lua:''' {{cite news/lua
|title=Drugs: Chips trader gets 15 years, 10 strokes
|url=http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=48660
|work=Daily Express |___location=Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
|date=29 March 2007 |agency=Bernama }}
: If there is confusion with a shift in parameters, then we could alter the format for the cite class "news" only. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 15:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== Identifiers ==
* '''asin-tld''' not working:
{{cite journal |title=title |asin=1234567890 |asin-tld=ca}}
{{cite journal/lua |title=title |asin=1234567890 |asin-tld=ca}}
* '''ssrn''' not working:
{{cite journal |title=title |ssrn=512922}}
{{cite journal/lua |title=title |ssrn=512922}}
--'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 14:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Fixed to match SSRN and lowercase "asin-tld".''' There had been a typo where SSRN would not display without id "RFC".
:* '''cite_journal {{ns|7}}+asin-tld:''' {{cite journal |title=title |asin=1234567890 |asin-tld=ca}}
:* '''cite_journal/lua +asin-tld:''' {{cite journal/lua |title=title |asin=1234567890 |asin-tld=ca}}
: With option "asin-tld=ca" then the ASIN URL uses "amazon.ca" instead of "amazon.com". Lua version now allows lowercase "asin-tld" or uppercase "ASIN-TLD". -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 15:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
There is no check on '''asin-tld''' for valid values:
* {{cite journal/lua |title=title |asin=1234567890 |asin-tld=123456}}
Valid: co.jp, co.uk, ca, cn, fr, de, it or es --'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 18:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
:: See thread below: [[#Future changes impact 1.7 million articles]].
== Future changes impact 1.7 million articles ==
We need to fix most problems in the next few weeks. The current [[Module:Citation/CS1]] puts all 1.7 million "eggs in one basket" to require reformatting of all Lua-cite articles in the future, as if any future change were like a change to [[Template:Citation/core]]. Note how this is unlike the 23-way cite-template forks' "[[division of labor]]" of the current 23 cite templates (such as {[[Template:Cite_encyclopedia|cite_encyclopedia]]} or {[[Template:Cite_video|cite_video]]} ). Hence, we should avoid creating self-imposed limits which require future changes to the central Lua module. In particular, any Lua-based restriction in a parameter to report new values as "errors" could require changing the shared Lua module and reformatting all 1.7 million articles, to allow a parameter to use a new "valid" value. A potential hybrid approach would be to validate some parameters in the shell templates before they each <code>#invoke</code> the Lua module, or otherwise to pass a template-internal parameter of "allowable values" which the Lua module would scan against the related cite parameter. This could be run very fast in Lua, as essentially, a scan for nation code in a string {{j|"ca de co.jp es fi fr co.uk it sv us"}} where the logic would report any other code as failing to match the rapid scan of valid codes. The string of nation codes would be contained (and changed) in the shell template, as a validation parameter passed into Module:Citation/CS1 which would not be changed, and not force reformatting of all 1.7 million Lua-cite articles, but perhaps limited to only {cite_journal} or just a few template shells where the validation is considered vital to avoiding user pilot error. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 20:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
== Multi-phase transition to Lua cites ==
With all the corrections people have already submitted, some Lua cites are very close to being released. I suggest a multi-phase transition in different weeks for the 23 cite templates, to focus on 5 major cite templates (for web, book, news, journal & {citation} ) with one minor cite template, {cite_encyclopedia}, to start as a small pre-release:
# test general parameters as "text-book" cases
# test several example articles ([[India]], [[United States]], [[Canada]], [[Germany]], [[Japan]], etc.)
# transition [[Template:Cite_encyclopedia]] to Lua, as a small start (only 62,000 articles)
# transition [[Template:Citation]] to Lua (wide use, but only 93,000 pages)
# transition [[Template:Cite_news]] to Lua (mostly pop-culture, 385,000 articles)
# transition [[Template:Cite_journal]] to Lua (complex science/document parameters, 275,000 pages)
# transition [[Template:Cite_web]] to Lua (majority of cites, 1.3 million pages)
# transition [[Template:Cite_book]] to Lua (2nd largest, 460,000 pages)
# transition [[Template:Cite_video]] to Lua (minor, in 9,000 pages)
# transition other cite templates to use Lua
Any at point, the transition phases can be reverted, or delayed, to handle whatever issues are found. The multi-phase plan is a balance between conservative delays and wide-scale impact. The most-used template, {cite_web} in 1.3 million pages, will be released in the middle phases, after tests which have smaller impacts. Meanwhile, because {cite_news} is used mostly for pop-culture articles, the parameters are often simple, and many users will be editing article which use {cite_news} to report any unusual cite formats. Also, because {cite_news} is a major cite template, it will be a good "[[stress test]]" to having Lua used in several hundred thousand articles (385,000), before transitioning {cite_web} as used in 1.3 million pages. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 16:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:Looks like a good list FYI: {{tl|cite video}} is now {{tl|cite AV media}}, and supports all the features of {{tl|cite sign}}. --'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 16:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yes a good list, it might be an idea to try an inform the wider community of whats happening at the village pump or signpost.--[[User:Salix alba|Salix]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 17:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
* '''Transition plan announced at PUMPTECH:''' I have worded an announcement to emphasize the benefits of using Lua-based CS1 cites, even if not "perfect" yet:
::* [[WP:Village_pump_(technical)#Proposed_transition_plan_for_CS1_Lua_cites]]
: The Lua-cite advantages will outweigh the risks of slight format differences, which can be fixed later. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 19:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
::All seems to be progressing steadily, some very good work being done here. One question, as each problem is found and corrected, are we updating a page of testcases to show that the Lua output is equivalent (or better where agreed) than the current citation core? I would be interested to add a selection of sample citations to it. Thanks [[User talk:Rjwilmsi|<font color="darkgreen">'''''Rjwilmsi'''''</font>]] 22:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
== Transition Phase-2: testing in major articles ==
I encourage others to edit-preview some major articles and report results below, for perhaps 50 articles of different subjects. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 19:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
'''Tests in various articles:''' The following have been tested:
# [[India]] - used {citation/lua} and had to fix ref=xx to override the implicit "ref=harv" which {citation} triggers. All {citation/lua} showed correct span-tags: <span id="CITEREF..." class="citation"> and Harvard referencing cross-linked when author/year clicked. Edit-preview dropped from 28 to 17 seconds. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 19:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
# [[United States]] - has many short cites, with 210 {cite_web}, 29 {cite_news} and 37 {cite_book}, so created {[[Template:Cite_book/lua|cite_book/lua]]}. Edit-preview dropped from 22 to 11 seconds. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 19:31/22:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
# [[Pneumonia]] - test of edit-preview has just begun. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 19:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
# [[Costa Concordia disaster|''Costa Concordia'' disaster]] - as trendy topic from January 2012, uses 199 {cite_news}, 41 {cite_web}. Edit-preview dropped from 21 to 9 seconds. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 22:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
# [[New York City]] – Diff between {{tlx|Cite ''type''/lua|...}} and {{tlx|cite quick|''type''|...}} where ''type'' (# of occurrences) in {web (233)|news (61)|book (35)|journal (7)}:
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< ^ "Statue of Liberty". World Heritage. © UNESCO World Heritage Centre 1992–2011. Retrieved 2011-10-23.
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> ^ "Statue of Liberty". World Heritage (© UNESCO World Heritage Centre 1992–2011). Retrieved 2011-10-23.
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< ^ Miller, Christopher L., George R. Hamell; Hamell, George R (September 1986). "A New Perspective on Indian-White Contact: Cultural Symbols and Colonial Trade". The Journal of American History (Organization of American Historians) 73 (2): 311: 311–328. doi:10.2307/1908224. JSTOR 1908224.
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> ^ Miller, Christopher L., George R. Hamell; Hamell, George R (September 1986). "A New Perspective on Indian-White Contact: Cultural Symbols and Colonial Trade". The Journal of American History (Organization of American Historians) 73 (2): 311–328. doi:10.2307/1908224.
111c111
< ^ "Missing Doctor Added to List of 9/11 Victims". © 2002-2013 TWO SL LLC, New York, NY. All rights reserved. Associated Press. July 2008. Retrieved 2013-02-21.
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> ^ "Missing Doctor Added to List of 9/11 Victims". Associated Press. © 2002-2013 TWO SL LLC, New York, NY. All rights reserved. July 2008. Retrieved 2013-02-21.
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< ^ Greene and Harrington (1932). American Population Before the Federal Census of 1790., as cited in: Rosenwaike, Ira (1972). Population History of New York City. Syracuse, N.Y.: Syracuse University Press. p. 8. ISBN 0-8156-2155-8.
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> ^ Greene and Harrington (1932). American Population Before the Federal Census of 1790. New York., as cited in: Rosenwaike, Ira (1972). Population History of New York City. Syracuse, N.Y.: Syracuse University Press. p. 8. ISBN 0-8156-2155-8.
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< ^ Kirk Semple (June 23, 2011). "Asian New Yorkers Seek Power to Match Numbers". The New York Times. Retrieved 2011-07-05. "Asians, a group more commonly associated with the West Coast, are surging in New York, where they have long been eclipsed in the city's kaleidoscopic racial and ethnic mix. For the first time, according to census figures released in the spring, their numbers have topped one million—nearly 1 in 8 New Yorkers—which is more than the Asian population in the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles combined.".
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> ^ Kirk Semple (June 23, 2011). "Asian New Yorkers Seek Power to Match Numbers". The New York Times. Retrieved 2011-07-05. "Asians, a group more commonly associated with the West Coast, are surging in New York, where they have long been eclipsed in the city's kaleidoscopic racial and ethnic mix. For the first time, according to census figures released in the spring, their numbers have topped one million—nearly 1 in 8 New Yorkers—which is more than the Asian population in the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles combined."
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< ^ Newman, Michael (2005). "New York Talk". in Wolfram, Walt; Ward, Ben.American Voices. Blackwell. pp. 82–87. ISBN 1-4051-2109-2.
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> ^ Newman, Michael (2005). "New York Talk". American Voices. Blackwell. pp. 82–87. ISBN 1-4051-2109-2.
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< ^ "Owners warm up to New York/New Jersey as Super Bowl XLVIII host". NFL.com. Associated Press. May 26, 2010. Retrieved 2010-05-27. "It's the first time the league has gone to a cold-weather site that doesn't have a dome ... the NFL will wait and see how this foray into the great outdoors in winter goes. Then the league might OK another bid".
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> ^ "Owners warm up to New York/New Jersey as Super Bowl XLVIII host". NFL.com (Associated Press). May 26, 2010. Retrieved 2010-05-27. "It's the first time the league has gone to a cold-weather site that doesn't have a dome ... the NFL will wait and see how this foray into the great outdoors in winter goes. Then the league might OK another bid"
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< ^ Sassen, Saskia (2001). The Global City: New York, London, Tokyo (2nd edition). Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-07063-6.
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> ^ Sassen, Saskia (2001). The Global City: New York, London, Tokyo. Princeton University Press (2nd ed.). ISBN 0-691-07063-6.
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< ^ Orr, James and Giorgio Topa (Volume 12, Number 1, January 2006). "Challenges Facing the New York Metropolitan Area Economy" (PDF). Current Issues in Economics and Finance – Second District Highlights. New York Federal Reserve. Retrieved 2008-09-01.
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> ^ Orr, James and Giorgio Topa (Volume 12, Number 1, January 2006). "Challenges Facing the New York Metropolitan Area Economy" (PDF). Current Issues in Economics and Finance – Second District Highlights (New York Federal Reserve). Retrieved 2008-09-01.
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< ^ Rachel Weinberger, John Kaehny, Matthew Rufo (2010). "U.S. Parking Policies: An Overview of Management Strategies". Institute for Transportation and Development Policy. p. 62. Retrieved 2011-06-11. "New York City is the largest, densest and most transit- and pedestrian-oriented city in the United States. It is the only U.S. city in which a majority of households do not have a car. Despite this, New York City is very much an American city in the way it under prices and under uses curbside parking meters. Meter rates are far lower than in other leading world cities, and New York suffers from high levels of cruising and double parking (p 62) ... Nationally 90% of households own automobiles. New Yorkers own fewer at 48% with only 22% of Manhattan residents owning automobiles (page 78)".
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> ^ Rachel Weinberger, John Kaehny, Matthew Rufo (2010). "U.S. Parking Policies: An Overview of Management Strategies". Institute for Transportation and Development Policy. p. 62. Retrieved 2011-06-11. "New York City is the largest, densest and most transit- and pedestrian-oriented city in the United States. It is the only U.S. city in which a majority of households do not have a car. Despite this, New York City is very much an American city in the way it under prices and under uses curbside parking meters. Meter rates are far lower than in other leading world cities, and New York suffers from high levels of cruising and double parking (p 62) ... Nationally 90% of households own automobiles. New Yorkers own fewer at 48% with only 22% of Manhattan residents owning automobiles (page 78)"
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< ^ Johnson, Bruce D., Andrew Golub, Eloise Dunlap (2006). "The Rise and Decline of Hard Drugs, Drug Markets, and Violence in Inner-City New York". in Blumstein, Alfred, Joel Wallman.The Crime Drop in America. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-86279-5.; Karmen, Andrew (2000). New York Murder Mystery: The True Story Behind the Crime Crash of the 1990s. NYU Press. ISBN 0-8147-4717-5.
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> ^ Johnson, Bruce D., Andrew Golub, Eloise Dunlap, ed. (2006). "The Rise and Decline of Hard Drugs, Drug Markets, and Violence in Inner-City New York". The Crime Drop in America. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-86279-5.; Karmen, Andrew (2000). New York Murder Mystery: The True Story Behind the Crime Crash of the 1990s. NYU Press. ISBN 0-8147-4717-5.
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< ^ New York in Focus: A Profile from Census 2000 (PDF). Brookings Institution. November 2003. Retrieved 2008-09-01.
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> ^ "New York in Focus: A Profile from Census 2000" (PDF). Brookings Institution. November 2003. Retrieved 2008-09-01.
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< ^ "Holland Tunnel". National Historic Landmark Quicklinks. National Park Service. Retrieved 2012-03-22.
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> ^ "Holland Tunnel". National Historic Landmark Quicklinks (National Park Service). Retrieved 2012-03-22.
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Times were similar between the two. <font color="red">—[</font>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><font color="green">Alan</font><font color="blue">M</font><font color="purple">1</font></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<font color="red">]—</font> 22:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Add other tests into the list above. Thanks. -[[User_talk:Wikid77|Wikid77]] 19:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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