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'''Dragons''' are an intelligent race that inhabit [[Alagaësia]], a fictional [[fantasy (genre)|fantasy world]] created by [[Christopher Paolini]]. They are a key part of the ''[[Inheritance Trilogy]]'', in which dragons are a nearly extinct and magical race.

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==[[Walmarting]]==

== Overview ==

Mongo, the Walmarting article we corresponded about in March attracted contributions today from Alan Aycock, the University of Milwaukee anthropology prof whose course I cited as an example of the term. Pretty neat, huh?

Dragons have lived in [[Alagaësia]] since ancient times with the [[Alagaësia#Dwarves|Dwarves]]. The skin of a Dragon is nearly impenetrable, though the thin membrane of the wings can be easily pierced. Their scales glitter like gems, although each Dragon only has one scale color. They also have the same eye color as their scales, and their teeth and neck spikes are bone white. The Dragons breath flame the color of their scales, and some can impressively hold the flame for over an hour. The older the dragon grows, the longer they can hold the flame. They never stop growing until their death.

[[Image:Eragon_Saphira_Poster.jpg|250px|thumb|300px|Saphira, the dragon protagonist of the series, as shown in the [[Eragon (film)|film version]] of ''Eragon''.]]

Since the Dragons are bound to Alagaësia, they possess magical properties. Strange things seem to happen around Dragons - people live longer, the earth changes, and things of that nature, yet no one knows how it happens. It is possible these things happen because the Dragon's magic, which permeates every inch of their body. They cannot willingly use their magic, except for their fire. However, when using magic, their strength is unparalleled.

== History ==

He just wrote a note on my talk page and I've responded, asking if he can add references, since I'm sure he has loads. Hope you're well.--[[User:Beth Wellington|Beth Wellington]] 02:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Before the formation of the Dragon Riders, a young elf hunted and killed a dragon like it was a common animal. The Dragons banded together and furiously attacked the Elves, leading into war.

Five years into the war, an Elf called [[Eragon I|Eragon]] found a white Dragon egg and raised the hatchling within, naming him Bid'Daum ; it was they who stopped the war, allowing peace to follow. In order to prevent another war, the Dragons connected their souls with the Elves, changing both races. Dragons gained the use of language and other trappings of civilization, as well as becoming less fierce. Since Humans came afterwards, the Human Riders were never affected by the Dragons as greatly as the Elves were.

== Thank you! ==

== As mounts for Dragon Riders ==

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The few Humans and Elves who ride Dragons like the Elf [[Eragon I]] are aptly called [[Dragon Riders]]. Dragons give their Riders "shining palms," a silver mark, or the "[[gedwey ignasia]]" as a result of the first physical contact between rider and dragon. Dragons communicate telepathically with their Riders, and house incredible magic that can combine with that of the Rider. Dragons are immortal and can also allow their Riders to be nearly immortal; old age will seldom kill them, although wounds or poison can. Over time the link between the dragon and rider will change the rider's appearance.

Your concern in my absence and your get-well wishes really mean a lot to me. Sometimes, well - life can be tough on us, but as long as good friends like you are there, I'll always have a reason to cheer up. Thank you, my sweet, dear Dave!!

== major dragons==

'''''<font style="color:#22AA00;">[[User:Phaedriel|Phædriel]]</font>''''' <font style="color:navy;">♥</font> ''^{<font style="color:#22AA00;">[[User talk:Phaedriel|tell me]]</font>}'' - 17:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)</div>

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==A landslide victory for [[User:The_JPS|The JPS]] (aka RFA thanks)==

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'''Glaedr''' (Pronounced Glay-Dur) is a male golden [[Dragon (Inheritance)|dragon]] in [[Christopher Paolini]]'s ''[[Inheritance (trilogy)|Inheritance Trilogy]]''. He first appears in ''[[Eldest]]'', the second book of the trilogy. His [[Dragon Riders|Rider]] is [[Oromis]], who also is called ''Osthato Chetowä''—"The Mourning Sage" and ''Togira Ikonoka'' - "The Cripple Who Is Whole."

|Hey, {{PAGENAME}}, thank you so much for your vote and comments in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The_JPS|my RfA]], which passed with an overwhelming consensus of 95/2/2. I was very surprised and flattered that the community has entrusted me with these lovely new toys. I ripped open the box and started playing with them as soon as I got them, and I've already had the pleasure of deleting random nonsense/attacks/copyvios tonight.<br>If I ever do anything wrong, or can help in some way, please feel free to drop me a line on my [[User talk:The JPS|talk page]], and I will do my best to correct my mistake, or whatever...<br>Now, to that bottle of wine waiting for me...<br>

[[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">'''The JPS'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple">talk to me</font>''']]} 22:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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Glaedr is the oldest dragon in the trilogy, senior even to Galbatorix's black dragon [[Shruikan]]. He is three times larger than Saphira, the [[Eragon|main character's]] dragon. Like his Rider, Glaedr is disabled——his left foreleg is nothing but a white stump in place. Glaedr and Oromis live in Du Weldenvarden, a forest in the north of [[Alagaesia]], the world in which the trilogy takes place. The two hid during [[The Fall (Inheritance)|The Fall]] when the dragon riders and dragons were being killed by a rebellious rider named [[Galbatorix]], for if Glaedr and Oromis had died before one of the remaining dragon eggs had hatched, then there would be no one left to pass on the secrets to the new Rider.

== Possible reference approach ==

Oromis and Glaedr tutored the young riders [[Morzan]] and [[Brom (Inheritance)|Brom]].

Tell me what you think about [[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Hidden refs]]. It has a certain fugliness to it; but it might be plausible to try on some article to avoid the "cluttered edit window" issue that bothers you. <font color="darkgreen">[[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|LotLE]]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|talk]]</font> 17:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

==Role==

:I tried this at [[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Shoshone National Forest]]. What do you think? Better or worse than the prior version? <font color="darkgreen">[[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|LotLE]]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|talk]]</font> 21:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

In ''[[Eldest]]'', Glaedr becomes [[Saphira]]'s teacher and the object of her affections. Oromis trains Saphira's Rider, [[Eragon (character)|Eragon]]. [[Saphira]] thinks that Glaedr will be her mate, but he rejects her. In this, Glaedr and Saphira have a fight which Saphira starts by scratching Glaedr in the right forleg. Glaedr respondes by biting Saphira in the thigh. Glaedr believes that the young female is meant for one of the unhatched dragon eggs. Later, on [[Eragon]]'s advice, Saphira apologizes to Glaedr.

== Role in the Inheritance Trilogy ==

Hey, I found another way of tagging the "hidden refs" idea, and I think it looks ''much better'', and easier for non-coders to deal with. Wanna take a new look at the "Hidden refs" and "Shoshone" pages I mention. Actually, I think it might be good enough to actual do on Shoshone (I'd be happy to re-do it for the latest version of that page, if you think it's desirable).

In the events of the ''[[Inheritance Trilogy]]'', there are Dragons on each side of the war - [[Galbatorix]] houses one green unhatched Dragon egg and his own Dragon, [[Shruikan]]; under Galbatorix's control is [[Murtagh]] and his dragon [[Thorn (Inheritance)|Thorn]]. Fighting against Galbatorix for the [[Varden]] is [[Eragon (character)|Eragon]] and his dragon [[Saphira]], the last female dragon. Another Dragon is [[Glaedr]], who is the Dragon of [[Oromis]], the oldest remaining Rider, who is an Elf.

So far, the only dragon colors known are green (new dragon-unknown rider), blue ([[Saphira]] - [[Eragon (character)|Eragon]], [[Brom (Inheritance)|Brom]]), red ([[Thorn (Inheritance)|Thorn]] - [[Murtagh]]) and, we can assume [[Morzan]] since riders swords are the same color as their dragon), gold ([[Glaedr]] - [[Oromis]]), black ([[Shruikan]] - [[Galbatorix]]), white ([[Bid'Daum]] - Eragon the elf), brown (Mentioned by the elf Rhunon and[[ Brom]] tells [[Eragon]] that [[Miremel]] was brown), and purple (Mentioned by CP in an interview).

Along the same lines, do you have ''any'' idea how to contact actual Wikimedia developers. I looked through the code for m:Cite.php, and actually provided a ''specific'' change at [[Wikipedia talk:Footnotes]] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cite/Cite.php#Fixing_non-1st_ref_content cite.php metawiki]. But it fell on utterly deaf ears... which makes me think I'm talking in the wrong place. The idea is, if this code was (first tested then) implemented, we could put the hidden reference block wherever we wanted, including in a friendly "References" section near the bottom. <font color="darkgreen">[[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|LotLE]]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|talk]]</font> 17:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Here is a chart of the known dragons and their riders.

== Cyde ==

Dragons Rider Color

#Unknown / Unknown / Green

You seem to be pretty upset over this guys appeal to authoirty on the part of one arbitor speaking casualy. Personally I hate vote stacking; such votes may be discounted, and an RfC may be needed for the spammer. In a "Splash" sort of way, I do agree that no clear policy over this has been laid out, and blocks, especially by those involved in the vote may be a bit out of line. Nevertheless, try not get angry over this kind of Wikidrama...it will all play out sooner or later.'''[[User:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]'''^{[[user_talk:Voice_of_All|<font color="blue">T</font>]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Voice of All|@]]|[[WP:EA|<font color="darkgreen">ESP]]</font>} 05:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

#Thorn /Murtagh /Red

#Saphira (2) / Eragon (2) / Blue

#Saphira (1) / Brom / Blue

#Shrukian / Galbatorix /Black

#Glaedr / Oromis /Gold

#Bid'daum /Eragon (1) / White

#Unknown but probaly also named Thorn / Morzan / Red

#lormungr / Unknown / Unknown

#vervada / none / Unknown

The (1) indicates the First Eragon or Saphira- the original rider and Brom's dragon and the (2) indicates the main character Eragon in the first and second book.

Here is a list of all the other known dragons mentioned by Brom in book 1 (Eragon):

== Rationales for not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2008 ==

#Jura

Blame my laziness on this one, but I only saw you had restored it after I deleted it. Am I missing any reason to keep the text in the history? After the Brian Chase thing I'm just thinking Wikipedia would like to avoid this sort of thing. [[User:CanadianCaesar|CanadianCaesar]] <small>[[User_talk:CanadianCaesar|Et tu, Brute?]]</small> 06:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

#Fundor (Who fought the giant sea snake)

#Galzra

#Briam

#Ohen the Strong

#Gretiem

#Beroan

#Roslarb

#Vanilor (male)

#Eridor (male)

#Ingothold (male)

#Miremel (female, brown dragon)

#Opheila (female)

#Lenora (female)

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== References font-size ==

Saphira's parents were Iormunger and Vervada. Iormunger was a rider's dragon but Vervada was a wild female dragon who only gave 1 egg to the riders.

The references font-size proposal was resurrected [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Change_to_MediaWiki:Common.css_requested_for_references], and I notice it has actually been implemented. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACommon.css&diff=51287611&oldid=51279504] Not entirely sure it will last, though. Either way, you can go into your monobook.css (e.g. [[User:MONGO/monobook.css]]) and set your preference for font-size, by adding:

{{inheritance}}

<nowiki>ol.references { font-size: 100%; }</nowiki>

and setting font-size percentage to whatever you want (if you don't like the default). This overrides the sitewide default. -[[User:Kmf164|Kmf164]] (<small>[[User_talk:Kmf164|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kmf164|contribs]]</small>) 18:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[[it:Drago (trilogia dell'eredità)]]

==Thanks for the support on my RfA!==

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| style="background-color: lightgreen; padding: 1em; border: solid 1px black;" |A belated thank you to you for '''Supporting''' [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Deskana|my RFA]]! It passed 54/2/3, much better than I expected! I am still finding my feet as an [[WP:ADMIN|Administrator]], and so far I am enjoying the experience. I am honoured that you felt I was ready to take up this position, and wish to thank you formally! I hope I can live up to your expectations of me. Once again, thank you! --[[Darth]] [[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User_Talk:Deskana|(talk page)]]</small> 19:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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== thanks ==

Thanks for unblocking me. [[User:Thewolfstar|thewolfstar]] 11:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== Impeachment article imbroglio ==

I wonder if I could get your opinion at: [[Talk:Rationales provided by advocates of the impeachment of George W. Bush#What to do post-AfD?]]. <font color="darkgreen">[[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|LotLE]]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|talk]]</font> 17:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3 ==

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: ''This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins.''

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| style="color:#000"|As always, [[User:MiszaBot|MiszaBot]] handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to [[User:Pschemp|Pschemp]], [[User:Titoxd|Titoxd]] and [[User:Freakofnurture|Freakofnurture]] for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

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# Posting logs of [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-esperanza the Esperanza IRC channel] are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel.

# A disclaimer is going to be added to the [[WP:ESP|Esperanza main page]]. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect.

# Various revisions have been made to the [[WP:ESP/CC|Code of Conduct]]. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct.

# Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop.

# [[WP:ESP/AC|Admin Coaching]] reform is agreed upon.

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== Cuba ==

Hi,

I am sending this message to editors I know who have done work on articles related to communism.

Adam Carr recently started bringing the [[Cuba]] article up to standard, gradually rewriting each section. In the meantime, his work has been resisted for several weeks by a group of Castro supporters who dispute, among other things, that the fact that Cuba is not a democracy. Adam Carr is now at a conference for a couple of weeks, meaning his work will likely be undone. If you have the time and the interest, please take a look.

Best regards. [[User:172|172]] | [[User talk:172|Talk]] 05:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

==[[Talk:7 World Trade Center]]==

You said: ''"That's not a POV..that's a mission statement. I don't edit war on the article. As you evolve as a Wikipedian, maybe you'll understand that we don't link to self promoting websites that exist to promote nonsense and make a buck. I really cannot explain it any better than that, so bye."''

I find that rather patronising, and just a little arrogant. If there is really no more to debate about, as you imply with your 'bye', I find it rather sad as it means we will have to ask for help to sort out the dispute and I had hoped we could do that ourselves. I thought I'd drop you a note here and see if you want to reconsider. By the way, I also do not appreciate language like "That is a bunch of crap."; I would be grateful if we could keep this civil. Even though we may disagree (and I'm not even sure we don't have a similar POV but different ways of expressing it), I think we should leave the language of the schoolyard behind. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 18:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

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Mongo, I was interested in this which you wrote:

''"Looks like it's time to do something more about the articles related to 9/11...POV pushers of nonsense are determined to have their link, even though it vilates a number of wikipedia policies. I am inclined to have a zero tolerance now even in the conspiracy theory pages that relate to this junk science. I am also about ready to start blocking folks for disruption of the talk pages.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 07:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)"''

and then

''"By all means, do what matters the most to you...just encourage you to keep tabs on what's going on and glad to see you participating...don't let it take over one more minute than you feel is necessary, for in my opinion, we are arguing with trolls mostly...sorry for the bluntness...just my style at times. Happy editing.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 01:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rx_StrangeLove#9.2F11]"''

On reading this, which seems to seriously violate [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:AGF]], I was quite insulted. Is anyone arguing against your exclusion of all but the single official link in this article regarded by you as "POV pushers of nonsense" and trolls? When you rebuffed my attempt to engage you in civil dialogue, and to gently remind you to stay [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] with the curt message that "I don't compromise if it means policy is to be violated", taken in conjunction with the above, I began to wonder if you were letting your POV rule your editing behaviour. The only reason I bring it up here is because I think it affects your credibility in this debate. Is it really about photo copyright and commercialism? I think I need you to reassure me that you are not letting your passionate POV rule you here.

Specifically, could you also please withdraw your threat above to "block folks for disruption of the talk page", as I don't think anyone is doing so. Even if they were, in your opinion, it would obviously be inappropriate for you to take admin action like this regarding a page you have been editing. Thanks in advance, [[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 22:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

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You replied: ''If adding a link to a website violates policy, then we don't add it. If people are disruptive on talk pages, then a block is justified. My POV, as you wish to call it, is based on the proven evidence, not on nonsense that is based on opinions or junk science that misinformed individuals have gathered from unscientific websites, whose sole or certainly secondary purpose is to make a profit. I don't think I can clarify it more clearly than that. There isn't much room for dialogue if folks keep trying to force policy violating websites into the articles.--MONGO 00:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)''

Your reply worries me deeply. I find your use of "if" here very disingenuous. The '''question''' of whether any particular link "violates policy" was what we were discussing in the talk page. In what sense did you consider that was "disruptive"?

Howver, my most serious worry is that as an admin you would make this threat. Do you or do you not know that to carry out the threat would have been a flat-out breach of policy? If you accept it was a mistake, it would show courage and integrity to admit it. [[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 06:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

== 9/11 ==

I don't disagree, but a widespread, across the board action would take a lot of time to sort through. I think it would have to be done on a case by case basis. That'd be a full time job considering the debating styles of some of the proponets and their tireless devotion to conspiracy. If I had time I'd love to root that crap out, a large pertcentage of it doesn't belong here. But I find 7wtc taking up what little time I have these days...I don't mind because it's important but I'm not sure how much more personally I can devote to it. But, I'd support you as far as I could if you did want to open up a wide front on junk 911 conspiracy theories. There would be some that are probably notable enough to include in conspiracy pages, but almost none of them belong on the main topic pages. [[User:Rx StrangeLove|Rx StrangeLove]] 21:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

:You being blunt is no secret ;) I just put a long response in at 7wtc....40 minutes I'll never get back and it won't make a bit of difference. Let me know if you do open up a larger front on junk 9/11 theories, I'll help out as much as I can. [[User:Rx StrangeLove|Rx StrangeLove]] 04:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank You! ==

Thanks for the note. I'm Bett and really new here. With regards to the Wilderness stuff that I'm doing I was trying to help get rid of the red links and give a bit of info. Still nosing around and learning alot. I'm from [[Ontario, Canada]]. [[User:LdyDragonfly|LdyDragonfly]] 04:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

External links - You've helped me alot but am a bit confused. On the links you've put date link was accessed. Is this necessary because I haven't seen that done anywhere else or is that to help me? Showing me some templates is a really big help as well. I really like the fact I can preview before submitting. Thanks! [[User:LdyDragonfly|LdyDragonfly]] 07:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I stepped on someone's toes with regards to the Wilderness template. I didn't mean to offend anyone working on the project. Is it alright to fill in a red lined subject with a couple of lines of info and an external link or two...for starters? I'm still new and you did kind of blow me away with all the template stuff. [[User:LdyDragonfly|LdyDragonfly]] 01:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

What I meant by messing up anything was a setup that you wanted as a style(?) for your pages. They seem to differ in different sections. Ya I'm getting the knowhow of the embedded links but seem to worry when things in one section don't seem to be following the lead. What drives me nuts is the titles like....External links. I almost want to change them all to External Links. I'm learning though. I also edit on [http://chefmoz.org Netscape's Dining Directory] and have edited on [http://dmoz.org ODP for Netscape] This is the first HTML based one that I've done so it's interesting and gives me a kick in the butt to make my own page. :) [[User:LdyDragonfly|LdyDragonfly]] 01:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Just one question - How was I vandalizing Wikipedia?

Actually, I didn't realize my changes weren't encyclopedic. According to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, encyclopedic is defined as:

of, relating to, or suggestive of an encyclopedia or its methods of treating or covering a subject

And encyclopedia is defined as:

a work that contains information on all branches of knowledge or treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge usually in articles arranged alphabetically often by subject

How was that not being encyclopedic?

So, I also gather that you're an Administrator. May I therefore assume you have read the Vandalism and Resolving disputes articles?

If I may say, and I quote:

Bullying or Stubbornness

Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them on an article's talk page, and repeatedly make changes opposed by everyone else. This is a matter of regret - you may wish to see our dispute resolution pages to get help. However, it is not vandalism.

Again I quote:

Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute.{{unsigned|Uweretheone}} {{user|Uweretheone}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hawaii_Volcanoes_National_Park&diff=prev&oldid=52427939]

Changing "God's wonderful hand" to "70 million years of volcanism, migration, and evolution—processes" is not encyclopedic. It's your opinion, and if you do it again, I'll simply find a way to block you.

[[User:Uweretheone|Uweretheone]] 11:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

No response, I see....cat got your tongue, eh? [[User:Uweretheone|Uweretheone]] 01:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa, whoa- back up there...scientific information? So you think evolution is scientific? Ha! Sorry to break it to you, but evolution is false. Give me good, genuine, solid proof that evolution is true, and good, genuine, solid proof that Christianity is false, and then I'll stop bothering you. [[User:Uweretheone|Uweretheone]] 02:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

==Check this out==

I promise you will love it. [http://www.serendipity.li/wot/sft_wikipedia.htm]--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 06:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:Also see my comment [[User talk:Mmx1#This is going to amuse you|here]].--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 07:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== Reliable Sources talk discussion ==

I've started a topic on [[WP:RS]] on the claims that Seabchan makes about the validity of the 9/11 commision report and the FEMA and NIST reports.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#9.2F11_Commission_Report.2C_FEMA_Report.2C_and_NIST_Reports_on_9.2F11_vs._Conspiracy_Theories]

As you have been dealing it with him longer, I think you might be able to give more insight.--[[User:DCAnderson|DCAnderson]] 10:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== rfa ==

I've replied on my talkpage. -[[User:Megaman Zero|Zero]]^{[[User talk:Megaman Zero|Talk]]} 11:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for the e-mail. I've responded with one and on my talkpage again, and despite it being unsuccessful, thank you for nominating me. -[[User:Megaman Zero|Zero]]^{[[User talk:Megaman Zero|Talk]]} 13:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for voting in my RfA! ==

Thanks for the vote in my [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Amgine|RfA]]! It did not gain consensus, but I'm happy with having accepted it. Good learning experience. - [[User:Amgine|Amgine]] 17:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== A tribute ==

[[Image:MingoNWR1.jpg|left|thumb|Mingo National Wildlife Refuge]]

I've written an article in your honor! Check out the [[Mingo National Wildlife Refuge]]. Mingo/Mongo, Mongo/Mingo... It was close enough! [[User:Clarkbhm|ClarkBHM]] 19:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== [[Laura Chapman]] ==

MONGO, today you speedied this article as a non notable character. Surely you know the non notable speedy criteria is for real people, not characters? [[User:CanadianCaesar|CanadianCaesar]] <small>[[User_talk:CanadianCaesar|Et tu, Brute?]]</small> 04:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

== [[Ollanta Humala]] ==

Careful on the delete, the AOL anon vandal tricked you. -- [[User:Curps|Curps]] 04:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:[[Talk:Ollanta Humala]] can you undelete the talk page? God, these vandals really piss me off.--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 04:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, please semi-protect again. These people aren't going to stop. Another incident amongst the countless others showing why IPs shouldn't be allowed to edit.--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 04:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:Lastly, please block these IPs for vandalism. [[User talk:64.12.116.70]] and [[User talk:205.188.117.74]].--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 04:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Rouge-Admin.png|thumb|right]]

I hereby award MONGO the [[Wikipedia:Rouge admin|rouge admin award]] for his [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=MONGO&page=Ollanta+Humala deletion] of Wikipedia's article on a current Presidential candidate. Keep up the good work! :P --[[User:TantalumTelluride|<span style="color:#CD6600;">Tantalum</span>]][[User talk:TantalumTelluride|<span style="color:#000080;">T</span>]][[User:TantalumTelluride/Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">e</span>]][[User talk:TantalumTelluride|<span style="color:#000080;">lluride</span>]]^{[[User:TantalumTelluride/WikiProject Country Music|<span style="color:#000000;">♪</span>]]} 05:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

<nowiki>:P</nowiki>--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 05:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

<big>And for my next act...yes, that's right folks! I'm gonna speedy [[George W Bush]]!!!</big>--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 05:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:Wow! Do you do children's parties too? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 02:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC).

== [[User talk:213.228.0.12]] ==

Why did you delete this page? It had a significant history of warnings, etc. greater than a simple redirect. [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 06:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

: No, that's cool. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. O.K. if I undelete it? [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 07:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

==RFC Against You==

[[User talk:EyesAllMine#Mongo's behaviour]] and [[User_talk:Seabhcan#rfc]], They were apparently plotting an RFC against you, didn't know if you realized it.--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 02:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

==NP article==

Hi, I was admiring the new pictures last night. I think the gallery is great, but it'd look better if you could connect the pics, see [[Flag of Australia]] where we ended up putting the images we wanted to display together in a table rather than using the gallery markup. You might need to mess around with the number of pixels to get them all the same size. One other thing, why is climate a subsection of ecology - it seems more like a geography subsection to me.--[[User:Petaholmes|Peta]] 02:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)