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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. Although no other editors have expressed support, the nomination seems valid, and the target name conforms better with sibling categories. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Generation ship fiction]] to [[:Category:Generation ships in fiction]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' No evidence that reliable sources group this as a genre by this name. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
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:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users]] to [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as pages created by blocked or banned users]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Similar rationale to the A10 category at [[#Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion_as_duplicating_an_existing_topic|the bottom of this page]]. Also, G5 (this one) and A10 are the only CSDs whose categories do not end with a [[noun phrase]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
*This seems pointless. I promise you no admin who uses this maintenance category cares about the name. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as completely unnecessary and to avoid breaking lots of links and templates and watchlists. [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 20:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Baseball teams in Harwich, Massachusetts]] to [[:Category:Baseball teams in Massachusetts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Very small category unlikely to grow. [[User:Namiba|TM]] 17:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': [[:Category:Sports teams in Harwich, Massachusetts]] will be emptied by this action. As [[Harwich, Massachusetts]] is a town of around 12000, '''support this and the two above'''. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
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:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>
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*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Agree with Johnbod: this type of category is helpful to some readers. Silly to deprive them of it. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep'''. I would retain the category; many readers have found it useful. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). Move the subcategory directly under [[:Category:William Blake]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Keep as is''' the scholarship on Joyce, has an overabundence of reflection on, and engagement with his acquaintances -- like Blake and Shakespeare, he is going to be one of the exceptions to challenge the rule in most cases. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 16:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Agree with Johnbod: this type of category is helpful to some readers. Silly to deprive them of it. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep'''. I believe that this category is helpful. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – As explicity stated at [[WP:OCASSOC]], it is impossible to select [[WP:SUBJECTIVECAT|objective inclusion criteria]] for this type of category without violating [[WP:ARBITRARYCAT]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
* '''Delete''' per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). Move the subcategory directly under [[:Category:James Joyce]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There's no end to the borders of "associated". [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 13:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' If kept, it should be moved to [[:Category:People associated with William Shakespeare]] to avoid any confusion. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 17:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Lugnuts}} While I wouldn't bother arguing against such a move, I'll make the general note that I find adding the given name here is an example of excessive specificity (ala. the reasoning of [[WP:COMMONNAME]]). Nobody is going to see a bare "[[Shakespeare (disambiguation)|Shakespeare]]" and assume we're referring to [[Shakespeare Fishing Tackle|fishing equipment]] or [[Shakespeare, New Mexico|ghost towns in New Mexico]]. The urge to impose symmetry, with other categories that do need the full name, is strong, but in some cases it would best be resisted. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Agree with Xover. Adding the Bard's first name would be otiose, bordering on silly. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
::::Sorry I'm late in replying to {{ping|Xover}} and {{ping|Tim riley}}, but the main category is [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] and subcats are in the same structure, such as [[:Category:Plays by William Shakespeare]]. Plus the main article is at [[William Shakespeare]] and not simply [[Shakespeare]]. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 06:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! I hope it won't arise, even so. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep/Comment.''' I created this in order to thin out [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] a little. I don't think it's overly full or marked by overly tenuous connections. I could theoretically support deletion if everything that needed to be categorized in a more specific way was thus categorized (actors in Shakespeare's companies, writers of documents that provide evidence of Shakespeare's life and work, collaborators of Shakespeare, printers and editors of Shakespeare, and more!) but ultimately that doesn't seem likely to happen. Ben Jonson seems to be one of the few people in the category who ''isn't'' best known for his connection to Shakespeare. –[[User:Roscelese|Roscelese]] ([[User talk:Roscelese|talk]] ⋅ [[Special:Contributions/Roscelese|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Agree with Johnbod: this type of category is helpful to some readers. Silly to deprive them of it. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep'''. I would retain the category; many readers have found it useful. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* Move the subcats immediately under [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] and '''delete''' the remainder per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:49, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. This is an essential category for readers interested in [[Gilbert and Sullivan]] and Victorian theatre in general. [[W. S. Gilbert]] was the leading Victorian dramatist, and [[Arthur Sullivan]] was the leading Victorian composer. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 19:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Very surprised to see this category suggested for removal. Decidedly useful in pulling together articles that might otherwise seem unrelated in some cases, and I agree with the comments from Johnbod and Ssilvers. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep''' - an important category. [[User:Jack1956|Jack1956]] ([[User talk:Jack1956|talk]]) 20:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). Move the subcat immediately under [[:Category:Gilbert and Sullivan]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Rename'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 23:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as duplicating an existing topic]] to [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as duplicate articles]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A much more concise name than current. Agrees with the parent category [[:Category:Duplicate articles]] and the listing at [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
*'''Rename''' as proposed. Sensible course of action. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as completely unnecessary and to avoid breaking lots of links and templates and watchlists. [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 20:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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