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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete category'''. For anyone who desires to create a list article (e.g. [[User:Fayenatic london]]), these are the articles that were in the category: [[The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)]], [[Bridge (song)]], [[De Brug van Willebroek]], [[Goin' Back to the Bridge]], [[London Bridge (Fergie song)]], [[London Bridge Is Falling Down]], [[Sur le Pont d'Avignon]]. <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category was deleted per consensus following a [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_December_4#Category:Songs_about_bridges|CfD in December 2011]]. Recreated but since consensus can change, I thought I'd put this nominate it for deletion again. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 18:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. That any of the songs are "about bridges" is questionable because the use of a bridge's name in the title is often incidental. For example, I would say that ''Sous le Pont d'Avignon'' is a song about dancing. I would think that a category like this will invite misuse. It is in fact a category for song titles that include the word ''bridge'' (or ''pont''). [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 21:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. Although no other editors have expressed support, the nomination seems valid, and the target name conforms better with sibling categories. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 20:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Generation ship fiction]] to [[:Category:Generation ships in fiction]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' No evidence that reliable sources group this as a genre by this name. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users]] to [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as pages created by blocked or banned users]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Similar rationale to the A10 category at [[#Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion_as_duplicating_an_existing_topic|the bottom of this page]]. Also, G5 (this one) and A10 are the only CSDs whose categories do not end with a [[noun phrase]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
*This seems pointless. I promise you no admin who uses this maintenance category cares about the name. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as completely unnecessary and to avoid breaking lots of links and templates and watchlists. [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 20:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:13, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Small category unlikely to grow. [[User:Namiba|TM]] 17:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Small category unlikely to grow. [[User:Namiba|TM]] 17:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 18:30, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Small category unlikely to grow. [[User:Namiba|TM]] 17:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Baseball teams in Harwich, Massachusetts]] to [[:Category:Baseball teams in Massachusetts]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Very small category unlikely to grow. [[User:Namiba|TM]] 17:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': [[:Category:Sports teams in Harwich, Massachusetts]] will be emptied by this action. As [[Harwich, Massachusetts]] is a town of around 12000, '''support this and the two above'''. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
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==== Category:Monasteries in Scotland by order ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Monasteries in Scotland by order]] - {{lc1|Monasteries in Scotland by order}}<br />▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete/Merge/Rename'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 00:18, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Monasteries in Austria by order]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Monasteries in Belgium by order]]
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' per [[WP:OVERLAPCAT]], [[:Category:Monasteries in Scotland by order]] is a duplicate of [[:Category:Roman Catholic monasteries in Scotland]]. Similarly for the other categories. Note that they are subcategories of Category:''Roman Catholic'' monasteries by order (my italic). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. While at it, would also propose letting go of the depricated "Roman" disambiguator in the final destinations per [[WP:CONSISTENCY]] with [[Catholic religious order]], and [[:Category:Catholic orders and societies]]. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 09:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
*: Removing the ''Roman'' epithet, even though unperfect, makes it very hard to maintain a coherent category tree for Eastern Catholic topics. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 13:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::: Although a minority sometimes advocate that "Roman Catholic" = [[Latin Church]] (including in categories), this preposition has generally been refuted throughout talk pages. [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 12:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' and instead delete the "Roman Catholic" ones, due to potential Anglican/Episcopalian foundations (not so much outwith Scotland – but we might as well have consistency everywhere).--<span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-2deg);-moz-transform:rotate(-2deg);-webkit-transform:rotate(-2deg);-o-transform:rotate(-2deg); font-family: Lucida Handwriting, Lucida Calligraphy, Bradley Hand ITC, cursive; font-size:90%;">[[User:Newbiepedian|Newbiepedian]]</span> ([[User talk:Newbiepedian|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Newbiepedian|C]] · <span class="plainlinks">[https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Newbiepedian&project=en.wikipedia.org X!]</span> · [[Special:Log/Newbiepedian|L]]) 00:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
:* I can't quite see the logic of that for the above countries. Deletion of the Roman Catholic categories would remove the content from [[:Category:Roman Catholic monasteries by country]] but keep them in [[:Category:Roman Catholic monasteries by order]]. That sounds pretty inconsistent as well. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Admin comment''': these ought to have been listed for merging rather than deletion, as a few of the sub-cats were missing from the Roman Catholic ones; however, those omissions have now been corrected, so merging from the "by order" categories would now have the same outcome as deletion. It's usually safer to list for "merge" than "delete", though, in case anyone changes the contents during the discussion. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 16:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''REverse merge''' The RC category [[:Category:Roman Catholic monasteries in England by order]] (or whatever we have for this) should be merged to [[:Category:Monasteries in England by order]], etc. The vast majority of these will be pre-Reformation (i.e. pre-Dissolution, pre-1539), when there was only one Christian denomination in England, so that RC is redundant. There will be a small number of 19th century and later RC monasteries and I think Anglican ones, which probably need separate trees for modern monasteries. There were no monasteries between 1539 and mid/late 19th century, so that combining medieval and modern in a single tree is undesirable. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
*: This reasoning does not apply to France/Italy/Germany/Spain/Austria etc. cats which are also nominated. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 13:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' or '''Move to ''Category:Roman Catholic monasteries in XXX by order'''''. Classification by monastic order makes very much sense, at least for Catholic monasteries and maybe for other faiths as well. It is a defining characteristic. Moving the content, when applicable, to an intersecting subcategory would solve the duplication issue. It would also allow a better categorisation for monasteries which either are not Catholic, or Roman Catholic, or who do not yet have a ''by order'' category created for them. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 13:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Bronze Age sites in Greece ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:07, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 15:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:08, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:09, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:People associated with William Blake ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:People associated with William Blake]] - {{lc1|People associated with William Blake}}<br />▼
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:57, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCASSOC]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:'''Strong keep''' -- the scholarship on Blake's acquaintances, and circle of community members is very well established. The roles these folks play are widely variable, because Blake, and his biography, defy a lot of different conventional classification system. Shifting folks to subcategories when appropriate (i.e in the case of Blake scholars) seems the best tactic for this space. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 13:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Agree with Johnbod: this type of category is helpful to some readers. Silly to deprive them of it. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep'''. I would retain the category; many readers have found it useful. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). Move the subcategory directly under [[:Category:William Blake]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:People associated with James Joyce ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:People associated with James Joyce]] - {{lc1|People associated with James Joyce}}<br />▼
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCASSOC]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep as is''' the scholarship on Joyce, has an overabundence of reflection on, and engagement with his acquaintances -- like Blake and Shakespeare, he is going to be one of the exceptions to challenge the rule in most cases. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 16:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Agree with Johnbod: this type of category is helpful to some readers. Silly to deprive them of it. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep'''. I believe that this category is helpful. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – As explicity stated at [[WP:OCASSOC]], it is impossible to select [[WP:SUBJECTIVECAT|objective inclusion criteria]] for this type of category without violating [[WP:ARBITRARYCAT]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
* '''Delete''' per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). Move the subcategory directly under [[:Category:James Joyce]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There's no end to the borders of "associated". [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 13:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:People associated with Shakespeare ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:People associated with Shakespeare]] - {{lc1|People associated with Shakespeare}}<br />▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCASSOC]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Shakespeare is somewhat unique in that there is an almost absurd amount of reliable sources on anything ''associated'' with him (i.e. the "associated" part is the only sane categorization based on the reliable sources). Take [[Ben Jonson]], who would disappear out of the category tree below [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] without the ability to say he is ''associated'' with Shakespeare. Unlike [[William Kempe]], Jonson wasn't a [[:Category:Shakespearean actors]], or a member or sharer in [[:Category:King's Men (playing company)]], and so forth. But every biography of Shakespeare (of which there are an absurd number) will at least mention Jonson in various contexts (influences between the two men's works, in either direction; biographical intersections, social, financial, political; Johnson's contribution to Shakespeare's postumous reputation; and probably a bunch more if you go looking). The same sort of thing will hold for all the other entries in this category that do not obviously fall within the other subcategories ([[Emilia Lanier]], [[Robert Chester (poet)]], and [[Leonard Digges (writer)]] being the three first that jumped out at me). --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 13:47, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep as is per {{ping|Xover}}''' [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 16:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' If kept, it should be moved to [[:Category:People associated with William Shakespeare]] to avoid any confusion. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<
::{{re|Lugnuts}} While I wouldn't bother arguing against such a move, I'll make the general note that I find adding the given name here is an example of excessive specificity (ala. the reasoning of [[WP:COMMONNAME]]). Nobody is going to see a bare "[[Shakespeare (disambiguation)|Shakespeare]]" and assume we're referring to [[Shakespeare Fishing Tackle|fishing equipment]] or [[Shakespeare, New Mexico|ghost towns in New Mexico]]. The urge to impose symmetry, with other categories that do need the full name, is strong, but in some cases it would best be resisted. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Agree with Xover. Adding the Bard's first name would be otiose, bordering on silly. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
::::Sorry I'm late in replying to {{ping|Xover}} and {{ping|Tim riley}}, but the main category is [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] and subcats are in the same structure, such as [[:Category:Plays by William Shakespeare]]. Plus the main article is at [[William Shakespeare]] and not simply [[Shakespeare]]. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<
:::::Fair enough! I hope it won't arise, even so. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep/Comment.''' I created this in order to thin out [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] a little. I don't think it's overly full or marked by overly tenuous connections. I could theoretically support deletion if everything that needed to be categorized in a more specific way was thus categorized (actors in Shakespeare's companies, writers of documents that provide evidence of Shakespeare's life and work, collaborators of Shakespeare, printers and editors of Shakespeare, and more!) but ultimately that doesn't seem likely to happen. Ben Jonson seems to be one of the few people in the category who ''isn't'' best known for his connection to Shakespeare. –[[User:Roscelese|Roscelese]] ([[User talk:Roscelese|talk]]
*'''Keep''' – Agree with Johnbod: this type of category is helpful to some readers. Silly to deprive them of it. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep'''. I would retain the category; many readers have found it useful. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* Move the subcats immediately under [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] and '''delete''' the remainder per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:49, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There's no end to the borders of "associated". [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 13:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as [[:Category:People associated with William Shakespeare]], but purge. I accept that we do not like ASSOCIATED WITH categories as there is no boundary. Having sampled the content, a good many of the articles would be better in a category relating to the theatrical companies to which Shakespeare was the playwright. This is different from Shakespearean actors, which seems to be an [[WP:PERF]]ormance category for actors who perform Shakespearean plays (and perhaps ought not to be allowed). This may leave "people suggested as authors of Shakespeare's plays" and a few more. In other words, my objective would be to make this (as much as possible) into a container category. Ultimately the object should be to get something with sufficiently few articles directly categorised that we can merge it back to [[:Category:William Shakespeare]] without cluttering that up. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:28, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan]] - {{lc1|People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan}}<br />▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. The late suggestion by Peterkingiron to split the category might be worth a fresh discussion. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:54, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Textbook [[WP:OCASSOC]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for some people, these subjects are useful. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. This is an essential category for readers interested in [[Gilbert and Sullivan]] and Victorian theatre in general. [[W. S. Gilbert]] was the leading Victorian dramatist, and [[Arthur Sullivan]] was the leading Victorian composer. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 19:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – Very surprised to see this category suggested for removal. Decidedly useful in pulling together articles that might otherwise seem unrelated in some cases, and I agree with the comments from Johnbod and Ssilvers. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
*'''Keep''' - an important category. [[User:Jack1956|Jack1956]] ([[User talk:Jack1956|talk]]) 20:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per guideline, unless a good reason is provided why we would deviate from the guideline ''for this particular category'' (and I haven't seen a good reason yet). Move the subcat immediately under [[:Category:Gilbert and Sullivan]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There's no end to the borders of "associated". [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 13:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Split''' and purge -- On sampling I found people associated with the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company; actors who have performed G&S (for whom there is a subcat already), a person involved with G&S recordings, and a few whose connection was tenuous (which is why we have the [[WP:OCASSOC]] guideline. I would hope that when a few new subcats have bene created, this can be merged back to the main G&S category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:People associated with Charles Bukowski ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:30, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Textbook [[WP:OCASSOC]]. '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 13:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 12:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 12:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]]. '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 12:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Over-categorised. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]]. Containing categories have their own trees. '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:red; color:yellow; padding:2px;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:blue; color:yellow; padding:2px;">superman</span>]]''' 11:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
* I didn't know about [[WP:OCEPON]] at the time. I'd looked at [[:Category:American male writers]] as a whole to see if there is a practice of creating the authors' categories (<small>and then, yep, erroneously added to the newly created category not the "Writers" but its subcategory [[:Category:American male novelists|American male novelists]]</small>). According to WP:OCEPON: ''"Eponymous categories named after people should not be created unless enough directly related articles or '''subcategories''' exist"''. I suppose that the categories mentioning the person in their names are related to them pretty directly. However, if two subcategories is not enough, I don't object to the deletion. --[[User:INS Pirat|INS Pirat]] ([[User talk:INS Pirat|talk]]) 12:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as duplicating an existing topic ====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Rename'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 23:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as duplicating an existing topic]] to [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as duplicate articles]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A much more concise name than current. Agrees with the parent category [[:Category:Duplicate articles]] and the listing at [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
*'''Rename''' as proposed. Sensible course of action. [[User:Izzat Kutebar|Izzat Kutebar]] ([[User talk:Izzat Kutebar|talk]]) 14:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as completely unnecessary and to avoid breaking lots of links and templates and watchlists. [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 20:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Procedural comment''': I had closed this discussion as 'no consensus' but re-opened it per [[User_talk:Marcocapelle#Closing_Categories_for_Discussion|this request]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:35, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Rename'''. [[User:ansh666]]'s concern is misplaced, as most links can be updated with a single edit to [[Template:CSD-categories]]. Editors with the category on their watchlist should see its deletion on their watchlist, and be able to find a link to this discussion in order to watch the new name. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''</div>
Note: For the record, [[Template:Speedy deletion navbox]] also needed updating. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 07:02, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
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