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Was going to advertise this on [[MediaWiki:Watchlist-details]], but wanted to check with the coordinators first if there was any objection or special verbiage. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</span>]]} 23:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

:Speaking for myself, no objection. If we need to modify the wording, I think we can do that live. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 18:39, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

::{{done}} - amend as needed. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</span>]]} 18:56, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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::::I answered the exact question you asked, Risker. You asked ''specifically'' about non-supportive comments. Going back to that thread, and the private arbcom communication, i could still only find less than ten non-arbs commenting on the candidates in any manner, combining functionaries and others. And quite a few of those vetting comments were simply statements of no objection to any candidate. Given you asked about nonsupportive comments, not supportive ones, I believe my original statement is true. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 17:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

:::::And those that opposed (a small number), were more or less balanced that those that supported (mainly with responses to the reasons given for opposing). [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 18:12, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

*'''Question''': Does anyone have any idea why the CU votes seem to reach the net 25, while the OS votes seem harder to come by? — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<fontspan style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</fontspan>]]</span></small> 17:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

**As a guess, perhaps because CU is seen as being more about trust in the individual than OS and therefore perhaps more people want to chime in on the trust issue. &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 17:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

*'''Comment'''. For me personally, I only supported those who I knew something about. My "lack" of a "vote" simply means that I don't have an impression or choice one way or another (usually because I'm not all that familiar with the candidate). Would that have the same end result as a "neutral"? (so I know for future elections). — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<fontspan style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</fontspan>]]</span></small> 17:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

:*Yeah, in an election, it would be. But in this format, there's really no way for us to consider "didn't comment on that candidate" in any way. Nor would it matter in a straight election, the way neutrals don't count in ArbCom elections. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 17:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 15:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:08, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 20:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# This is done. {{ping|Bbb23}}, {{ping|HJ Mitchell}}, {{ping|Keilana}}, {{ping|Kelapstick}}, {{ping|Lankiveil}}, and {{ping|Ronhjones}}. can y'all please see the [[Meta:Identification noticeboard]] and [[Meta:Steward handbook/email templates| the instructions]] for getting on that page as soon as possible? Thanks. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 21:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 22:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 02:27, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 23:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 06:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Some early hiccups at SPI, but that was a long time ago. Community in support. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 21:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 23:50, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 06:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Obviously. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. I note that over 3/4 of the community in that discussion supported him and I don't think we can ignore that without better reasons than those given. I understand that there are some concerns raised by some about his approach but I don't agree that there is a problem that prevent him from handling the tools safely. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Strongly. [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# I don't find the opposes convincing. Since the beginning, I've felt HJ should have both tools, I just held out to be sure on where I stood. While he may exhibit different qualities than the rest of us, I've found he's a quick study, and provides meaningful and blunt contributions to discussions regarding policy. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 21:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

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:# for the same reason as GW. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 22:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Not convinced granting both flags at once is the best idea here given the community comments, and he a) shows more interest in oversight and b) admits a lack of technical expertise that is highly useful in a CU. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Mostly echoing Molly. Harry is most certainly an asset to the project, and his service is appreciated. However, CheckUsers should generally skew towards <!-- or is it "toward"? damnit, English --> caution and restraint in grey areas. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 23:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Some temperamental concerns per community. Should he be a fine OS, which I believe is likely, I'd be in support next round (although I may or may not be on committee, obviously. Being cautious here. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 23:49, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 06:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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;Recuse

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

====Community comments on Checkuser voting====

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:# Per his reply to my question at [[User talk:Bbb23#Voting on functionary candidates]], where Bbb23 makes it clear that he intends to do his fair share and that if he found he was using it rarely he would resign it. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 16:02, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per Dougweller. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 20:38, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# We seem agreed that this candidate is trustworthy, so either he won't use the tool often enough (if so, he's stated he'll resign or we can remove it), or he will (and there is no issue). [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per Dougweller. Assurance is adequate for me. ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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:# Given that we really need active oversighters, I'm not inclined to appoint someone who indicated in their statement that they don't intend to use the oversight tool often. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 20:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:#Given his admitted intention not to use the tool much. A person who openly admits a lack of interest in using a tool shouldn't be given it. If he is willing to commit time and effort to doing OS on a regular basis, I would support a future application. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:11, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# per above --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per Courcelles -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:#:I've reread more into Bbb23's questionnaire, and I have the feeling he doesn't fully grasp the use of oversight. I'm also concerned that CU will be a tool he needs to take time to learn, and OS is even worse from my experience, there are still situations that go over my head at three months in. I'd rather he take it one step at a time. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 21:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# per Courcelles. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 23:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Access to the OS tool is not warranted if the rightholder has stated they do not intend to be active in the Oversight process. Mere access provides the ability to view, unlogged, redacted information, and it is poor security for us to have inactive individuals with access to deleted revisions. In the future, if {{admin|Bbb23}}'s interests / anticipated availability changes, I would not have any objection to {{their|Bbb23}} candidacy. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

;Abstain

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 23:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]} 06:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 20:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:#'''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 22:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]}

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 21:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

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:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. I've also seen that he's been active in bringing OS concerns through to our OTRS system so he's already quite active - letting him do it himself will speed up a process that often needs to be done as quickly as possible. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# per Dougweller '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# I ask that Harry moves slowly with the tool, but there is no privacy related reason to oppose this --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 23:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 21:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

<s>:: weakly, for the same reasons that we brought up for his CU candidacy --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)</s>

;Abstain

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:#Will bring a different perspective to the OS team. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:21, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]}

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 00:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Euryalus2|Euryalus2]] ([[User talk:Euryalus2|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

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;Abstain

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Recuse

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 20:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:24, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]}

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 23:59, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 22:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 23:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]}

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 23:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]}

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# I believe {{admin|Mike V}} has the proper judgement to make a good Oversight team member, and have entertained a number of requests from {{pronoun|Mike V|obj}} that I found to be entirely within policy. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 23:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

;Oppose

;Abstain

:: <s>May change later, but here for now. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)</s>

;Recuse

:# -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

====Ronhjones (OS)====

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:# [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 20:14, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:#'''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 22:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0b0080;">Guerillero</fontspan>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Parlez Moi</fontspan>]] 01:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# Per consensus at community discussion, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]}

:# My judgement here coincides with the community discussion also. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|^{Let's talk about it!}]] 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 23:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:# [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 22:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Faraone]]</fontspan>]]''' 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:# ''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' ^{[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]} 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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:::There's probably some kind of appropriate political aphorism for when this occurs. Suffice it to say it's a sign of my esteem for Callanecc that I gave him 200% support. Or alternatively a clerical error on my part. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 22:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

*Just curious. It's likely we will get 8 new oversighters out of this vote (9 including Callanecc, who already carries an average oversighter's workload). Not counting arbitrators and AUSC members, for whom performance of suppression is strictly optional, that gives us 25 existing oversighters + 8 new ones = 33 oversighters. Average number of suppressions per month is 380. I cannot see the justification for increasing the staffing by over 30%. The oversighters haven't ever fallen that far behind since 2011. Note that I don't think anyone who is a current candidate would do the job badly; but I really can't figure out why it is a good thing to expand the access to non-public information so significantly. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 14:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:* I'm sure the activity requirements can be re-evaluated if need be, but experience tells us the usual problem is understaffing. I tend to think that appointing nine new members would take us back to a proper staffing level, but I very much doubt it will push us into the realm of over-staffing. [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 20:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

===General community comments===

If I recall correctly from my time as an Arbitrator, the cutoff was 80% support among the Arbitrators to appoint someone as a functionary. Is that threshold being kept here, or is it the standard motion cutoff (51%)? '''[[User:NuclearWarfare|<fontb colorstyle="color:navy;">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NW]]</fontb>''']] ''(<font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk]]</fontspan>]])'' 19:29, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{reply|NuclearWarfare}} According to {{U|Thryduulf}}, it is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/CheckUser_and_Oversight/2015_CUOS_appointments&diff=653159119&oldid=653106602 "simple majority"].--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 20:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

::I have ''strongly'' disagreed with it. I do not want to see functionaries pass on 8-7 or 7-6 votes; IMO, no one who can't command at '''least''' the confidence of 2/3rds of the Committee should not be appointed to these sensitive roles. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 01:27, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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::::My view is that we have a policy on votes that we must follow. It's at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Forms of proceeding]] and states that "Decisions are reached by a majority vote of active, non-recused arbitrators." And all through this, until a day or two ago, I don't recall anyone ever raising any suggestion that there were any other 'rules' that should be applied (nor could they be without a policy change). I've been assuming all along that it was only a majority that was required, and from my perspective a change to anything else is what would amount to a change in the rules in the middle of a process. Remember a number of us are new and are simply assuming policy applies. It does appear that past appointments didn't follow arbitration policy, but that's irrelevant here. If this is to be changed, then it will need an amendment to policy. Now's not the time for that obviously. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 06:50, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:::::Risker, I can definitely see your point about the 50+1 vs 70 or 80. There has been no actual decision from the committee saying it's one way or the other, people are just assuming based on policy. Well if there was ever a time to apply IAR, it's now. Precedent has run with the higher numbers in the past, and we should continue that. {{ping|Dougweller}} if you voted for the change in "rules" for the onwiki voting, like I did, I really don't understand your comment that we shouldn't be changing the rules in the middle of the process.

:::::That said though, for Risker's second point re. on-wiki voting, while we did change things in the middle of the process, I think it should be a welcomed change. The Arbitration Committee is providing ''more'' transparency, something it doesn't do very often. It would have been the best to leave this for a process change after, but the next vote it would affect would likely be next year at the earliest, so it made sense to implement the change now, and it doesn't really affect anything in the actual process, just a ___location for the discussion. So that I will have to disagree, as it's not a bad change. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

::::::It was more an announcement of a 'rule' towards the end of a process, and something, IMHO, much more crucial than voting transparently on-wiki. We would need to think carefully about higher numbers, do we want to set a higher bar for non-Arbs getting these tools than Arbs? [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 16:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

::::::No. If the committee says before it starts a process: we're going to do X, it should do X. ''That's'' transparency. Or, as the adage goes: say what you mean, do what you say. <small>[[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]]</small> 15:21, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:::::::That's another form of transparency. Like I said above, it would have been nice to do it before process, but since the discussion started in the middle, it wasn't possible to do it before. Could we have left it? Yes. Are you guys asking for us to not have been transparent at all, or is the change welcome, and it's just a timing issue? -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

::::::::It's not fair to the candidates to change the process mid-stream; they applied with the belief that arbitrators would hold their discussions about them privately, and now instead they are being discussed and voted on publicly by the arbitrators, something they didn't expect when putting forth their candidacy. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 16:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:::::::::Exactly. The timing. To be blunt, if the committee feels it's appropriate to tell the community it's going to do something a certain way, and not follow through, it reflects poorly on its [[integrity]]. <small>[[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]]</small> 16:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

::::::::::I absolutely agree with {{U|xeno}} that it's unfair to change the process midstream. If you want to represent yourselves as a more transparent Arbcom then that's great, but it's completely disrespectful, not to mention ironic, to the candidates and the community to change the review process without a word to anyone outside of your private discussions. --[[User:Ponyo|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</fontspan>]]^{[[User_talk:Ponyo|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Navy;">''bons mots''</fontspan>]]} 04:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:::::::::::I can definitely see that point of view, and I thank the three of you for your responses. Reading how Xeno put it reads it into perspective to me. Personally, I'd like to apologize to any candidate who we may have offended through doing so. I know it's a little late to do anything and the damage is already done, so I am only able to offer words of apology. And Ponyo, on your last point, I would agree with you that this would have been better to have been discussed outside of the committee too. There may still be a chance for that (not with this appointment obviously), I still have to read through my Arb emails and figure out where things are on this subject. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</span> <fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> mobile</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font></fontspan>]] 18:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

::::::::::::While you're at it, you might consider apologizing to those who did not put forward a candidacy because they were of the understanding that the longstanding process of requiring 75-80% of arbitrators to approve an appointment was still in effect. There is a rather major difference between having to gain the trust of 12 people and having to be supported by only 8 - especially since at least a few of you are indicating that you are voting essentially on the community's comments. You didn't get at least one person I know of who would have been a good candidate, and there coule well have been more. Meanwhile, you're now about to overstaff the Oversight team to the point that some oversighters may have difficulty meeting even the minuscule activity requirements. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 19:28, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

::::::::::::: {{ping|Risker}} I am having trouble finding where the committee ever confirmed what the threshold for appointment actually is. It is not confirmed in the widely-recycled appointments page template, and the closest the documentation gets to confirming the threshold is the phrase "clear consensus". You and I are aware of the threshold, but how would anybody else be? [[User:AGK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''AGK'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 20:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

{{od}}{{ping|Risker}}There were candidates who believed there was a threshold that members of the Committee didn't know about? That doesn't sound like a very good situation. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 21:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{u|Dougweller}}, I'm a bit surprised you didn't know it, but not overly shocked; after all, the committee has been in existence for 11 years now, and I doubt anyone knows the full history of everything the committee has ever done. I only had to read 5 years of decisions (and mailing list archives, which we could actually read back then) when I came on board; it would take a new arb months to do that now. <p>At the end of the day, the intention of having that higher level of required support was intended to parallel the documented process for community elections as closely as possible, and certainly during any openly public participation in elections (i.e., 2009 and 2010) that was eminently clear. Once things had to be pulled back because of the failure of SecurePoll to provide a satisfactory result (i.e., sufficient number of appointable candidates), the committee just pretty much kept doing internally what had been done publicly to that point. {{u|AGK}}, during the time I was on Arbcom, if anyone ever asked me, in the interests of transparency I always answered basically as I just did above to Dougweller: that the committee embraced the same required level of support from active arbitrators. I'm sure it's posted somewhere or other, either by me or someone else; after all, it was the principle used in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. There wasn't a selection process in 2014 at all, so I would have had no reason to have said anything then. I got rid of a lot of my Arbcom emails, but I seem to recall that it was mentioned in correspondence with one or more candidates at some point, either directly or indirectly. Certainly it was the understanding of many people, including I think just about every current functionary, that the 70-80% level of arbcom support was required, and anyone would have been acting entirely reasonably to say so if asked, as far as I am concerned. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 00:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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::The announced process hasn't changed -- the link is to the current (2015) page. <small>[[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]]</small> 12:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:::But the actual process has... –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 14:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

::::{{fixed}} the minor housekeeping change. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 15:20, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Re [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration_Committee%2FCheckUser_and_Oversight%2F2015_CUOS_appointments&diff=653899401&oldid=653790591]

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Is it the opinion of the entire committee that that is a "minor houskeeping change"? <small>[[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]]</small> 15:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:My goodness no. The process was changed, and the edit was a formality of that change. That's why the ''edit'' itself, not the change, I said was a minor housekeeping change. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">DQ</fontspan>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</fontspan>]] 16:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

::I see that [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Committee resolutions|an internal resolution]] also only calls for an absolute majority, so we have that in two places, our procedures and our policy. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 16:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

* "When the motion done" >> "When the motion '''is''' done"? (although I prefer "After voting on the motion has completed"... because the "motion" itself does not actually perform any actions.) — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<fontspan style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</fontspan>]]</span></small> 17:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:* Fix was made on the original already -- updated the copy above. <small>[[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]]</small> 17:45, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

:Why is more transparency seen as a problem? [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 22:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)