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::::And I think few people have reacted negatively to the bulleted list format. --[[User:AudeVivere|Aude]] (<small>[[User:AudeVivere|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AudeVivere|contribs]]</small>) 18:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

:<fontspan style="color:#00A650;">''I'm unimpressed with the way some (i.e. David Levy) are handling the portal icon situation.. it seems very unconstructive.''</fontspan>

:How is it constructive to insert styling that defies consensus, and why shouldn't it be removed?

:<fontspan style="color:#00A650;">''i understand that a select few are opposed to icons full stop..''</fontspan>

:No, more than "a select few" oppose the inclusion of portal icons.

:<fontspan style="color:#00A650;">''and that all previous attempts have been ruled out by consensus.. but this doesn't mean we couldn't get consensus on something different (possibly similar to the version David Levy reverted)..''</fontspan>

:The opposition to portal icons&mdash;''any'' portal icons&mdash;is strong.

:<fontspan style="color:#00A650;">''and in the interests of making wikipedia more user-friendly, it seems highly advantageous to try -''</fontspan>

:There is no consensus that the addition of icons will make Wikipedia "more user-friendly."

:<fontspan style="color:#00A650;">''plus, many people have claimed the opposition to icons exemplifies the elitist atmosphere within wikipedia.''</fontspan>

:The people most likely to be adversely affected by the presence of portal icons are those with low display resolutions and/or large text sizes. Are people with old/inexpensive computers and/or poor eyesight society's "elite"?

:<fontspan style="color:#00A650;">''The argument that the icons cause wrapping on some browsers, so we shouldn't have them at all, seems negative, unconstructive, and if you ask me unprofessional.. i mean, i know very little about wiki-markup, but surely this is a fixable non-issue.''</fontspan>

:No, it isn't. The inclusion of '''any''' images larger than the bullets '''will''' increase the likelihood of wrapping. The icons sometimes end up on different lines than the corresponding links, and this looks '''''terrible'''''. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

::That can easily be fixed. [[User:Prodego|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</fontspan>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<fontsup colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">talk</fontsup>]]} 20:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

:::What can? It probably is possible to force the icons to remain directly adjacent to the corresponding links, but the increased likelihood of wrapping is unavoidable. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 21:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I personally like the look of the icons, but don't support them. I don't support them because if you click on the icon, you go to the image page, not the portal the icon represents, which will confuse new users. [[User:Prodego|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</fontspan>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<fontsup colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">talk</fontsup>]]} 21:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

:To be fair, ''that'' can be fixed via the same template-based hack that's used for the sister project icons. This, however, generates somewhat glitchy results in Firefox. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 21:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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[[User:Hmains|Hmains]] 20:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

:But it is our philosophy, it is what separates Wikipedia from the countless other internet encyclopedias. Without the open editing, we would just be Pedia. People don't help if they aren't encouraged to, and vandals will vandalise regardless. [[User:Prodego|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</fontspan>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<fontsup colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">talk</fontsup>]]} 20:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

== African Cup Final ==

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I tried to add this to the draft but failed. Anyway this is fresh news, like 3 hour old

*[[Egypt]] Wins African Nations Cup for the fifth time, after defeating Ivory Coast in Cairo after Kick offs. {{<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jumpster|Jumpster}}]] ([[User talk:Jumpster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jumpster|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:We pull {{tlp|In the news|}} from the same place the current main page does, so have nothing to do with deciding what news goes there. If you want to suggest something, you can do so at [[Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates]]. This particular item has already been suggested, and you can add your opinion there. --[[User:AudeVivere|Aude]] (<small>[[User:AudeVivere|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AudeVivere|contribs]]</small>) 00:34, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

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== A question ==

How were you able to hide the titlebar and tagline? I have failed to see anything in the code on this. How did this occur in the history, too? I am amazed how this could be possible. --'''[[User:Wcquidditch|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">WC</fontspan>''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#999933;">Quidditch</fontspan>'']]''' <big>[[User talk:Wcquidditch|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">&#9742;</fontspan>]] [[Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#999933;">&#9998;</fontspan>]]</big> 20:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

:{{tl|hidden}}. Or, more precisely, {{tl|hidden begin}} and {{tl|hidden end}}.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[User talk:HereToHelp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/HereToHelp|contribs]]) 04:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::no, the hidden templates are for the "show/hide" section link. i don't know how the page's titlebar is being hidden though. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 06:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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*find / search box

** The negative vertical spacing on the label (from [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] - #bodySearchMP label { display: block; font-size: 95%; font-weight: bold; '''margin-bottom: -.2em;''' }) worries me. This is under Firefox 1.5 using Monobook. [[User:Alphax|Alph]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">a</fontspan>]][[User:Alphax|x]]&nbsp;<sup >[[User talk:Alphax|&tau;]][[Special:Emailuser/Alphax|&epsilon;]][[Special:Contributions/Alphax|&chi;]]</sup > 13:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

*article count

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Hello to everyone,

I have suggested this before and I'm here to do it again. Remove the "the free encyclopedia" slogan. It just takes away from the level of respect people have. By having that people won't think this is a real encyclopedia, it'll sound like a joke. I just don't think we should keep it. Thank you for your time<br>

--([[User:Aytakin|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">Aytakin</fontspan>]]) | [[User talk:Aytakin|Talk]] 16:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:I really don't see how you came to that absurd conclusion, and I doubt many will agree with you. --[[User:81.104.41.42|81.104.41.42]] 17:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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:On the one hand, i agree that it would be nice to have the other 3 portals listed. On the other hand, cross-browser layout coding is Very hard once you get started (you've got to count at least 3 iterations of each of the 2-5 main browsers on each of the 3 main OSs in multiple screen resolutions etc) and it's better to KISS. ie I don't think there's a coding solution to this problem; the only way to get 4 columns in the browser bar would be to narrow the "Welcome to Wikipedia" on the left. looking at a screenshot, the available width in a 800x600 resolution display is 600 pixels:

[[Image:Main_Page_Width.png|center|400px|thumb|<nowiki>avail total width = 600px</nowiki>]]

:so that's what you've got to play with. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 07:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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<pre>*[[Portal:Art|<span title="Architecture, Comics, Film, Dance, Literature, Music">Art</span>]]</pre>

*[[Portal:Art|<span title="Architecture, Comics, Film, Dance, Literature, Music">Art</span>]]

_{→[[User:AzaToth|<fontspan style="color:#975612">Aza</span>]][[UserUser_talk:AzaToth|Aza]]</font><fontspan style="color:#325596">[[User_talk:AzaToth|Toth]]</fontspan>]]} 16:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

:It won't make the coding any clearer, and will interfere with Lupin's popups. That said, I see no read issues. Ideally, hover text could be added in some other way. -- [[User talk:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 17:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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|style="width:11%;font-size:95%;white-space: nowrap;"|

[[Image:Nuvola apps kcoloredit.png|15px]] [[Portal:Culture|Culture]]<br />

[[Image:Nuvola apps browserpackage network.png|15px]] [[Portal:Geography|Geography]]<br />

[[Image:Museum_btn.png|25px]] [[Portal:History|History]]

|style="width:11%;font-size:95%;white-space: nowrap;"|

[[Image:Nuvola apps edu mathematics-p.pngsvg|15px]] [[Portal:Mathematics|Mathematics]]<br />

[[Image:Nuvola apps kdmconfig.png|15px]] [[Portal:Biography|People]]<br />

[[Image:socrates_blue.png|15px]] [[Portal:Philosophy|Philosophy]]

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Rather than icons, which I agree would be too small to be useful here, how about light shading differences for the three columns? [[User:Sj|+sj ]][[User Talk:Sj|+]] 23:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

:To me, that would imply that each of the columns has some sort of special significance that justifies separation. In fact, the order is purely alphabetical (expectingexcepting the "All portals" link). &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

== Browse links and Information links ==

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::::::::[http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Google+Search&domains=wikipedia.org&sitesearch=wikipedia.org WP specific Google] and [http://www.wikiwax.com/ WikiWax] are wonderful. How did we get ''there''? I rv'd Renata3's edit for the reason stated in my edit summary. That was my first problem and so it got to the edit summary. The extra searchbox, the icons and the tossing out of what I thought represented a sure and steady migration towards a consensus draft being summarily tossed doesn't seem the way things should be introduced. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 04:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Renata: <span class="plainlinks">[http://lifeisunfair.net/firefox_view3.png This]</span> is how your header displayed in Firefox. You ''did'' check the page in browsers other than your usual one (IE?), didn't you? &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::That's pretty close to how it looked using Safari. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 04:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)