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The result was '''redirect to [[Object-oriented_programming#Object-orientation_and_databases]]'''. ([[Wikipedia:non-admin closure|non-admin closure]]) [[User:Ansh666|Ansh]]''[[User talk:Ansh666|666]]'' 21:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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No sources since 2009. The article consists of two sentences and I am actually not sure what they are about. I suggest it be [[WP:TNT]]'d. <
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing|list of Computing-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 14:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)</small>
*Could the nominator actually explain what is wrong with the many sources in GBooks which refer to ""Object-oriented SQL" and "OSQL"? Could the nominator also explain why this can't be redirected to [[SQL]]? [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 15:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
** The fact that this article uses none of them. There is no useful content in this article, it borders on {{tlx|db-nocontext}}. Having it as a [[WP:REDLINK]] for a while would encourage creation of a better-written article.
*: Also, where is it established that "Object-oriented SQL" is the same as "OSQL"? Databases do not seem to be your area of expertise. <
***[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fFh2G9AeEgcC&pg=PA183 This source] does appear to say that OSQL is an abbreviation for Object-oriented SQL. It refers to "a prototype object oriented SQL language (OSQL)". [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 18:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Redirect''' to [[Object-oriented_programming#Object-orientation_and_databases]]. There isn't a single entity called "Object Oriented SQL", nor is it a particular technique that has been discussed in the peer-reviewed literature. Rather, this is simply a descriptive term that has been used across multiple software projects. For example, [[SQL:1999]] is [http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~cgutierr/cursos/BD/standards.pdf "characterized as 'object-oriented SQL'"], ESQL2 is [http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=213178&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D213178 "an object-oriented SQL with F-Logic semantics"], UniSQL's SQIJX is an [http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=181552 "object-oriented SQL"], etc. Particular implementations may be notable (''e.g.'', [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22IRIS+OSQL%22+&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5 IRIS OSQL]), but as best I can tell, the topic at hand is not. [[User:Lesser Cartographies|Lesser Cartographies]] ([[User talk:Lesser Cartographies|talk]]) 18:57, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
*Redirect to [[Object-oriented_programming#Object-orientation_and_databases]] per Lesser Cartographies. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 21:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[WP:TNT]] is neither policy nor guideline. Deletion in such cases where improvement is required is done by means of ordinary editing per our [[WP:PRESERVE|editing policy]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 16:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
:*Hi [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew Davidson]]. I'm pretty sure the [[User:Kephir|nom]] hadn't read [[WP:TNT]], as it has to do with ''rewriting'' articles, which s/he is not proposing. That being said, the article still has a [[WP:RS]] problem in that while several entities have been described as "objected-oriented SQL", I've not been able to find any sources that discuss "Object-oriented SQL" as such. If you're aware of any such [[WP:RS]] along those lines, I'd be happy to reconsider my !vote. [[User:Lesser Cartographies|Lesser Cartographies]] ([[User talk:Lesser Cartographies|talk]]) 17:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
::* The topic is a general concept rather than a specific implementation. There seem to be numerous sources which discuss various proposals and particular instances - see the books and scholar links above - so I'm not seeing the problem. As for the nominator, they declare, "''I am a deletionist ... I have little time for content improvements''" and so presumably that's why they propose to destroy rather than improve this page. This is not our general [[WP:IMPERFECT|policy]] though. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 18:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
:::* [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]], you've stated the situation better than I did: the topic is indeed a general concept, and I think we agree that we don't (yet) have any [[WP:RS]] that discusses the general concept. I don't know how to take the implementation-specific sources we do have and write an article on the general concept without heading off into [[WP:OR]]. (There may be a way to do it that I don't know about, which is why I'm asking, not arguing.)
::::As to [[User:Kephir|Keφr]]: I rescued his nom for [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NEC µPD7720]] over the weekend, and we've butted heads on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CssQuery]]. When I started out, I had a few noms here blow up in my face before I figured out what was going on. He's learning (and you're helping him to learn) that [[WP:TNT]] should be used sparingly (if ever) as a rationale, and that announcing that one is a deletionist is going to raise opposition regardless of the merits of the argument. All that aside, this kind of article isn't that uncommon, and I'd like your advice in how to deal with this instance and the general case. [[User:Lesser Cartographies|Lesser Cartographies]] ([[User talk:Lesser Cartographies|talk]]) 18:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Redirect''' to [[Object-oriented_programming#Object-orientation_and_databases]]. I was unable to find anything like a survey of OOSQL variants. There are prominent examples like [[SQL/OLB]] in [[SQL:2011]], [[Structured type]]s, and to a lesser extent, [[LINQ]]. But listing these without an underlying secondary source/survey backing up our opinions would be [[WP:SYNTH|synthesis]] on our part. The term is used in the literature and is verifiable, however, so a redirect is warranted. [[Object-oriented_programming#Object-orientation_and_databases]] is a reasonable target. --[[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]] ([[User talk:Mark viking|talk]]) 19:38, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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