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The result was '''Delete'''. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]]<small>^{[[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]]}</small> 17:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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'''Delete''' promotional article about a programming development system. This is clearly an advert, including phrases such as ''"It's Very fun like a game"'', and an internet search yields just a [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22Programming+Without+Coding+Technology%22 few hits], which is indicative of lack of notability in this particular field. [[User:Mindmatrix|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#8b4513;">Mind</span>]][[UserUser_talk:Mindmatrix|Mind]]</font><fontspan colorstyle="color:#ee8811;">[[User_talk:Mindmatrix|matrix]]</fontspan>]] 13:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

'''Comment'''With respect to the first point

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: The problems are with the lack of sources existing to assert notability, if these cannot be found then there is little that can be done with the article. Wikipedia has criteria for what subjects may be included specified [[WP:N|here]]. --<span style="color:black; background: white; border: 1.5pt dotted black; padding: 0pt 4pt;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 18:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' - After reading the article, I'm still not sure what this is really about. At the very least programing without coding is a contradiction of terms. For the most part this appears to be a vanity article on some obscure non-notable semi-educational tool or something. --[[User:T-rex|T]]-[[User talk:T-rex|rex]] 16:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

:: I believe the project is about programming via a visual GUI that doesnt involve a user having to write code, however the nature of the subject is not relevent to it's notability. It's a largely unknown (15 ghits only) open source project. --<span style="color:black; background: white; border: 1.5pt dotted black; padding: 0pt 4pt;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 18:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, i have updated the article, i hope that now everything is fine ?

[[User:Mahmoud Fayed|Mahmoud Fayed]] ([[User talk:Mahmoud Fayed|talk]]) 04:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

: The problem with this article is that there aren't any [[Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources|secondary sources]] describing the Programming Without Coding Technology. Without them, the article is deemed [[Wikipedia:No_original_research|original research]] and is against Wikipedia guidelines, so it must be deleted. I suggest that you keep all the work you've done in this article and publish it as documentation in the sourceforge page of your project.[http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=156105] [[User:Diego Moya|Diego]] ([[User talk:Diego Moya|talk]]) 11:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The article is not the original research

the article source is (Programming Without Coding Technology Help - 220 Pages) and every one can get these documents after downloading the software from sourceforge

Is this everything, or i still need to do somthing ?

[[User:Mahmoud Fayed|Mahmoud Fayed]] ([[User talk:Mahmoud Fayed|talk]]) 13:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::Again, and hopefully for the final time. Please read these policies [[WP:N| notability]], [[WP:V| verifiability]], [[WP:COI| Conflict of Interest]]. Make sure the article complies and you won't have to do anything else. [[User:Jasynnash2|Jasynnash2]] ([[User talk:Jasynnash2|talk]]) 14:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Now guys, [[Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers|is there a need to be so rude]]? You could help by telling him what the rule means in short, instead of making him read piles of legalese to find it out. [[User:Diego Moya|Diego]] ([[User talk:Diego Moya|talk]]) 19:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

: Mahmoud: your project must be famous before it gets a Wikipedia page. That's why it's getting deleted. You should talk about it in [http://freshmeat.net Freshmeat] and other technical sites to get people know it, Wikipedia is not the right place for this. [[User:Diego Moya|Diego]] ([[User talk:Diego Moya|talk]]) 19:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

*'''Delete''', [[WP:OR|original research]] and a [[WP:NEO|neologism]] with no showing of particular notability. Inventing vague new management philosophies for managing computer programmers seems to be a growth industry. - [[User:Ihcoyc|Smerdis of Tlön]] ([[User talk:Ihcoyc|talk]]) 14:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing|list of Computing-related deletion discussions]]. </small> <small>-- [[User:Fabrictramp|<span style="color:#960018;font-family:comic sans ms;">Fabrictramp</span>]] | [[User talk:Fabrictramp|<span style="color:#960018;font-family:Papyrus;">talk to me</span>]] 00:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)</small>

Hi

At first with respect to project name there is no contradiction because programming is not coding, programming is a goal, and coding is a method to achieve that goal

you can look at

http://expresscode.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/coding-vs-programming/

With respect to freshmate, my project works only on MS-Windows and freshmate doesn't accept projects that works only

on MS-Windows

With respect to other resources refer to the project

it's well known in the xharbour community

1 - http://www.xharbour.org/index.asp?page=product/thirdparty

you will find a link to the project under the name

(Mahmoud DoubleS (Super Server) Framework)

2 - http://www.xharbour.com/xhc/index.asp?page=xhc_download.asp&show_h=8&show_i=8&show_sub=2

you will find an abstract for the project for download

3 - http://www.the-holms.org/xharbour/addon.htm

you will find a link to the project under the name (doublesvsoop)

Also on sourceforge [ 06/08/2008 (dd/mm/yyyy) ]

my project rank is 134 of (more than 130,000 projects)

with active percentage = 99.94%

i hope that this is what is required ?

Greetings,

[[User:Mahmoud Fayed|Mahmoud Fayed]] ([[User talk:Mahmoud Fayed|talk]]) 13:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

: As has been pointed out countless times, the project has not been covered in second party reliable sources. This is an encyclopedia, not a place to promote your work. --<span style="color:black; background: white; border: 1.5pt dotted black; padding: 0pt 4pt;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 16:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The same article, published on www.codeproject.com

at this link http://www.codeproject.com/KB/winsdk/programmingwithoucoding.aspx

is codeproject considered as second party reliable sources ?

[[User:Mahmoud Fayed|Mahmoud Fayed]] ([[User talk:Mahmoud Fayed|talk]]) 12:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

:No, because you wrote the article, and you aren't independent of the subject of the article. Any reliable sources used to indicate notability must be independent of the project. [[User:Silverfish|Silverfish]] ([[User talk:Silverfish|talk]]) 13:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' - no reliable sources to establish notability -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 16:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

* '''Delete'''. Blatant advertising and a non-starter of an idea anyway. &mdash; [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] ([[User talk:RHaworth|Talk]] | [[special:contributions/RHaworth|contribs]]) 10:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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