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Your name has been mentioned in connection with a [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sockpuppetry]] case. Please refer to [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SentientContrarian]] for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|the guide to responding to cases]] before editing the evidence page. [[User:Dr.K.|Δρ.Κ.]] <small><sup style="position:relative">[[User talk:Dr.K.|λόγος]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">[[Special:Contributions/Dr.K.|πράξις]]</span></sup></small> 14:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
: I read the case. So, just because I'm Greek, opinionated and happen to have worked (with such users as [[User:RJFF]] and [[User:Dolescum]]) on the [[Golden Dawn]] article, as well as the [[Meligalas]] article, I'm accused of being a puppet? Greece has at least a million internet users. Many are active in discussions regarding the far-right (a part of the political spectrum that I detest). The evidence is, at best, circumstantial. I don't know the users you are referring to and am unaware of their editing history (I saw that one of the users I am accused of being had edited several entries 6 years ago, long before I created a proper account - until that time, I was experimenting in the Sandbox as a mere IP editor, trying to learn the ropes before committing to become a Wikipedian). Oh, and discussing with the "Bougatsa42" user once (and even agreeing with him) does not make me the same person as him. Furthermore, I have contributed numerous other edits to all sorts of different articles, ranging from passenger aircraft to computers and from music to dogs. I also would like to point out that my main interest is copyediting, perhaps much more so than anything else. [[User:Moderatelyaverage|Moderatelyaverage]] ([[User talk:Moderatelyaverage#top|talk]]) 18:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
: Also, on my references to the WP:COI, they were ''not'' made in reference to Takis Fotopoulos (of whom I have no knowledge whatsoever, therefore I can have no opinion on - be it negative or positive), but in reference to conclusions I reached by reading (and editing) the [[Saint-Gobain]] entry. Read my contemporaneous edit of that article's talk page (which is clear evidence of my awareness of that article and the COI issue brought up by other editors regarding a former employee of the company, who served as a single-purpose account with the sole intention of editing that particular article) and you'll see exactly what I'm referring to. So, in other words, it was [[Talk:Saint-Gobain/Archives/2013#Conflict_of_interest_and_POV|this]] section in the talk page of the [[Saint-Gobain]] article and ''not'' a dispute of other users on a person I have no knowledge of and no opinion on. The time stamps confirm it, too: I edited the talk page of the [[Saint-Gobain]] article on 12:44, 4 April 2012 and edited my profile to reflect the opinion I formed based on what I saw there on the same day, between 21:25 and 22:33. The evidence is all right there on my user contributions. [[User:Moderatelyaverage|Moderatelyaverage]] ([[User talk:Moderatelyaverage#top|talk]]) 19:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't seem right to me, for you to attack and blame a fellow defendant, who is just trying to defend himself, but then, what do I know?[[User:Bougatsa42|Bougatsa42]] ([[User talk:Bougatsa42|talk]]) 21:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
: I'm not attacking you, I'm separating my position from yours. There's a rather thick and visible line between these two things. I don't know how you acted in that dispute you had with the other guy. I don't know how he acted. What I ''do'' know is that I found myself involved in a mess that I never participated in. [[User:Moderatelyaverage|Moderatelyaverage]] ([[User talk:Moderatelyaverage#top|talk]]) 21:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
You're saying one that I deliberately created this mess, and two that I am deliberately involving you.
I think you are being very stupid. It is quite clear that there are people out there trying to make sure there own version of events gets across, and will stop at nothing to ensure this. Trying to make me look bad only plays their game.
Frankly, at the moment I feel that I have blundered into a lunatic asylum.[[User:Bougatsa42|Bougatsa42]] ([[User talk:Bougatsa42|talk]]) 21:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
: You really don't understand the mentality here, do you? With this confrontational attitude, you're not going anywhere. On the internet, one of the oldest truisms is that the oldtimer is always right and there's very little leniency towards newcomers, especially if they appear to be confrontational. You need to bring facts to back up your claims and complaints - and you need to do this detective work yourself; don't expect someone else to find evidence to help you, because no one cares. The way I see it, you're not playing your cards right at all. You went in, barging in like a bull in a china shop, accused other users of being affiliated to the former royal family and, even if your intentions might have been good, you didn't offer something new to the discussion. Where are the citations? The references? The secondary sources? You did a very poor job of improving the articles you were involved in and I don't want to become "collateral damage" just because you angered someone, causing him to start thinking that you may be controlling other accounts as well. The way I see it, even though you might have had good intentions, your contribution was not constructive. Much as I don't like the fact that I was not contacted by any party that might have felt ''my'' actions were wrong, I have to point out that you didn't behave properly and immediately jumped the gun. [[User:Moderatelyaverage|Moderatelyaverage]] ([[User talk:Moderatelyaverage#top|talk]]) 22:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC) ''Last edit'' by [[User:Moderatelyaverage|Moderatelyaverage]] ([[User talk:Moderatelyaverage#top|talk]]) 23:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
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