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==Proposed motions==

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 03:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 12:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</fontspan>]]^{<small>(<font color="#ff6600">[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk]]</fontspan>]])</small>} 15:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 02:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 03:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Good lord yes. [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 12:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</fontspan>]]^{<small>(<font color="#ff6600">[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk]]</fontspan>]])</small>} 15:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 02:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 03:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# As 2). [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 12:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</fontspan>]]^{<small>(<font color="#ff6600">[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk]]</fontspan>]])</small>} 16:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 02:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:# Can we just call it "Repeating previous problem behaviour" next time --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism|[prof]]]} 00:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:#: Responding to the abstainers, I saw a relevance when I voted initially and I see a greater relevance today (see next proposed principle that I have added). There need not, in my view, always be a one-to-one correspondence between principles and findings. While I would not (for example) vote to adopt a remedy against a user without a corresponding finding and hopefully a correspondencecorresponding principle, the converse is not true: it is sometimes in order for the committee to adopt a principle articulating or emphasizing a general rule that is implicated by events discussed in the case, even where no individual violation of the rule warrants criticizing a specific editor by name. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:29, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 00:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 01:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 12:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 02:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:# Reaffirming general principle - sometimes it's helpful to reaffirm what the actual principle is, in order to confirm that it has not been breached. In the event of a complaint against an individual, it can be as important to say that you have not supported the complaint or have exonerated the individual, as it can be to confirm that you have found for the plaintiff. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:Abstain:

:# Agree, but relevance to this case has not been demonstrated in findings. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# per Xeno <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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:# There are hundreds of other administrators. When in doubt, go find one of them and convince him or her of the urgency of the block. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 15:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 15:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 15:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 18:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism|[prof]]]} 19:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 00:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 02:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:# Again reaffirming the principle is good. This is a new articulation of involved I believe, but there is no logical inconsistency with the underlying policy. [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black;">^talk</span>]] 18:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:Support:

:# The items linked are only a small sample of the evidence. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism|[prof]]]} 00:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# The sad thing is that I think MickMacNee believes in the goals of the project and also believes that his contributions are helpful in achieving them. Unfortunately, the sheer amount of inflammatory invective and personal abuse he aims at other editors negatenegates the value of his participation. This is an example of a situation where keeping one editor around risks, in the long run, driving off too many others. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:#:As an added comment, I should note that I have reviewed [[User_talk:MickMacNee/Arbitration_evidence]], despite its length (I am not a proponent of rigid word limits in arbitration cases, particularly as applied to a main party&mdash;although this is not a criticism of the clerks who have enforced our procedures as they stand). On reading it, one sees a very different picture of MickMacNee from the one who comes through so many other times, and that side of MickMacNee could make valuable contributions again someday if Mick is able ultimately to address the concerns that have led us to the point of this decision. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 09:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 00:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Sadly. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# Per Brad and Jon; the best intentions do not excuse the worst behaviors. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# I think that it's important that the blocks not be taken as evidence of misconduct ''in themselves'', but they certainly are evidence that Mick was aware that many of his colleagues had serious concerns about his behavior. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# At the least, it shows that he did have the problem 'pointed out' to him often enough. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# The admins tools shouldn't be used for personal purposes. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Amending in light of recent developments. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 05:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 19:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:#:To those changing from oppose to support on this finding based on the recent block&mdash;isn't that covered by 3.1, so that supporting this as well would be double-counting? Or put differently, the block may not have been proper (see principle 5), but was it really for a "questionable purpose"? [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

:# The link is to Rd232's block log, which reflects three instances in which Rd232 blocked his own account to enforce a wikibreak (the last of these instances having been motivated, at least in part, by his dissatisfaction with the community's handling of MickMacNee). While self-blocks and wikibreak-enforcement blocks are not supported by policy, they are hardly a serious threat to the project, nor do I think they reflect use of the block button as a "toy." Rd232 has been an editor since 2004 and an administrator since 2005, has a strong record of positive contributions to the project, and through his input on the workshop page in this case has more than convinced me that he remains an asset as an administrator. I do not feel that it is necessary or helpful to criticize him in this decision; but for the happenstance that MickMacNee was before us, this situation would probably not have even warranted our discussing it. If we desire to address this subject in this decision, a principle reminding administrators that self-blocks are deprecated would, in my view, be sufficient. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 00:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:#: <s>Largely per NYB, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 01:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</s> Moved to support for obvious reasons, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 19:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Opposing with reference to the FOF as made, with it's diff. Self blocking to enforce a wikibreak is silly, not abusive. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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:# As per PhilKnight. - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# I think that was poor judgment, but not raising to the level of a finding. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Would oppose, but I've self-blocked before so... –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

====Rd232====

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:# Obviously. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism|[prof]]]} 07:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 19:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

:# Too general. Would support a copy-edit or alternative suchlike ''"Rd232 has used his administrative tools to block another party to this case in contravention of the guidance given to involved administrators."'' –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black;">^talk</span>]] 13:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:#

:Abstain:

:#This block under the circumstances was ill-judged and increased rather than reduced the level of disputation, but in view of Rd232's explanation for it, I believe an affirmation of the general rule and its application to arbitration cases should be sufficient. See new proposed principle 5. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Calculated:# byPer Newyorkbrad. [[User:AlexandrDmitriPhilKnight|Alexandr DmitriPhilKnight]] ([[User talk:AlexandrDmitriPhilKnight|talk]]) 2015:3551, 2931 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Per NYB. [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 15:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# per Brad --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# Think this makes more sense in a general statement without a specific callout. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

===Hammersoft===

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:# [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Disagreeing with JC, in that I believe Arbcom could sanction editors for certain kinds of abusive attack on Arbcom. However, this one-off comment is nowhere near falling into that category, or even supporting the FOF as it stands. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Abstain:

:# [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 13:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# I've no objection to sanctions for misbehavior directed at the committee simply ''because'' it was directed at the committee; but I'd consider it only in especially egregious cases &mdash; not an isolated incident of frustration. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

===Δ===

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 23:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# The edit warring wasn't necessary. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Per JC [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# I think Kirill's argument regarding the block length is compelling. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 00:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# First choice. The wording has a re-education sound to it, but this is a step in the right direction, and this is something we already do for community ban appeals. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

:# Such arrangements can get caught in limbo, would prefer a definite duration. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Like Xeno, I'm not a fan of making indefinite lengths after a certain period; better to force reevaluation. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Abstain:

:#

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:# First choice [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# First choice, per Cas. [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 13:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Second choice. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# No, I'm not a great fan of fixed length terms for the reasons articulated by Kirill, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 01:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Prefer 1. [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Didn't we try this already. Need some kind of dialogue to confirm that the issues are now understood. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Abstain:

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:# Amending in light of recent developments. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 05:15, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Amending in light of today. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Switching because of recent developments, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 19:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:#: Despite the Rd232's ill-judged block of MickMacNee as the case was winding down, I am letting this vote stand. See my comment on proposed finding 3.1; see also new proposed principle 5. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 15:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 01:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:#: In light of Rd232's comments about the block, I'm also letting my vote stand. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 15:57, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:#: <s>Eh... I agree we ought to start getting tougher on administrators who abuse their tools... but this is not what I had in mind. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 01:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</s>

:#: <s>&nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 01:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</s> Moved to support, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]} 19:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:#: <s>[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</s>

:# A bit over the top, here. [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 13:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 00:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Over the top --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# Now that it's being tied to the involved block, I oppose because a simple reminder is enough. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black;">^talk</span>]] 13:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Abstain:

:#: <s>as above. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)</s>

===Hammersoft admonished and warned===

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:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 00:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Hammersoft tried to rectify the problem. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:# No basis established --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Abstain:

:# [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 13:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

===Δ admonished and warned===

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:# [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 00:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Oppose:

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:# Per Roger Davies, but see my comment on proposed finding 5, which should be taken very seriously. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 01:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:# I think he needs to be given the opportunity to contribute in areas where he's less likely to run into conflicts, first. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;^{[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]} 00:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Motion seems to have considerably reduced the volume already. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Per above. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism|[prof]]]} 07:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:# Not sufficiently supported by findings. [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:# [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]]^{<small>([[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color:#ff6600;">talk</span>]])</small>} 00:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:Abstain:

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:; Proposals which pass

:: Passing principles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

:: Passing findings: 1, 2, 3.1, 5

:: Passing remedies: 1, 4

:: Passing enforcement provisions: n/a

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:: Failing enforcement provisions: n/a

Calculated by [[User:AlexandrDmitri|Alexandr Dmitri]] ([[User talk:AlexandrDmitri|talk]]) 20:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)<br/>Updated (with F. 3.1) by [[User talk:AGK|<span style="color:black;">'''AGK'''</span>]]<small> <nowiki>[</nowikI>[[User:AGK|&bull;]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></small> 16:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br> Updated (with principle 5) by [[User:AlexandrDmitri|Alexandr Dmitri]] ([[User talk:AlexandrDmitri|talk]]) 04:00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)<br/>Updated (with finding 3.1) by [[User:NuclearWarfare|<b style="color:navy;">NW</b>]] ''([[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]])'' 00:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Calculated by [[User:AlexandrDmitri|Alexandr Dmitri]] ([[User talk:AlexandrDmitri|talk]]) 20:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

:SirFozzie is officially inactive. I've updated [[template:aca]] after he confirmed via email that he is inactive on this case. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 00:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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::# I think we can wrap this up now. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::# [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism|[prof]]]} 02:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

::# –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</fontspan>]] 12:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC) Re-affirm. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black;">^talk</span>]] 13:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::# [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|The Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Message me]]) 21:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

::# Sorry my vote was so tardy --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 10:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::# [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

:;Oppose

::# <s>Recent action may cause arbitrators to reconsider. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ^{'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''}</span> 00:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)</s>

::# <s>Since we've got a few last-minute bits to still vote on... [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 15:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)</s> Striking my oppose. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 06:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

:;Comment