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=== Pens_withdrawn ===
{{rfcu box|case=Pens withdrawn|filed=05:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)}}
''' Not Related''': This request is to review the following sockpuppets which are put under my id: [[user:sundaram7]]. '''They are not related'''. Please remove them from my user id. This case is as per request from administrators from ''AnI'' ('''Invalod Sockpuppetry Decision''') :[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=121949206&oldid=121948237]
From different discussions, it is found that these users are in different IP Domains!
* {{checkuser|Fear the Fire}}
* {{checkuser|NotBound}}
* {{checkuser|Truehindu}}
* {{checkuser|Wrong not}}
* {{checkuser|59.160.207.14}}
* {{checkuser|Shadows n dust}}
* {{checkuser|Ganeshco}}
* {{checkuser|Bharatson}}
* {{checkuser|Ashokachakra}}
'''CODE''': A, C,D and F. Check for code A for non-IP matches as described below. Check for code C for who did the real vandalism[[User_talk:Fear_the_Fire]]. Check the discussions as described to see code F.
'''Evidences''':
# '''Different countries''': It is clear that [[user:Fear_the_Fire]] is editing from 59.160.207.14, from india, from his posting here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFear_the_Fire&diff=116477583&oldid=116476683]. How it can be [[user:truehindu]] :[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=116569655&oldid=116565360]. Why they are all put under my user, who is not in India?
# '''Unrelated IPs''': [[User:213.165.52.248]], who is [[user:truehindu]][http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=213.165.53.209] from his signature above, is using different IP than another blocked IP 59.160.207.14 [http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=59.160.207.14] and it is put under my suspected user!.
# '''Clearly different Users''': It is proved that [[User:Fear_the_Fire]] and [[User:notBound]] are two different persons and they are not related. see [[User_talk:Fear_the_Fire]] for the details and evidences.
# '''Suspected admin action''': There is a good reason for suspecting [[user:Aksi_great]] is biased on this case. When [[User:Jpgordon]] first declined the case, he forced him to block the ids:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJpgordon&diff=115294588&oldid=115185493]. He was pretending to fight vandals. But he didnt find the real vandals as explained in [[User_talk:Fear_the_Fire]].See his odd comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFear_the_Fire&diff=116476683&oldid=116476495] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFear_the_Fire&diff=116473557&oldid=116454500].He has started putting unrelated users [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Sundaram7] under [[user:sundaram7]].
# It looks like a mistake from the checkuser admin. When [[User:Jpgordon]] first declined the case, the admin forced him to block the ids:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJpgordon&diff=115294588&oldid=115185493] again. See also : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFear_the_Fire&diff=116476683&oldid=116476495] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFear_the_Fire&diff=116473557&oldid=116454500].
# There are unrelated users [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Sundaram7] under [[user:sundaram7]].
# Check the talk pages [[User_talk:Jpgordon]], [[User_talk:Fear_the_Fire]], [[User_talk:NotBound]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASundaram7&diff=116514093&oldid=114620976] for some detailed explainations.
#[[user:Jpgordon]] don't have any clear reasoning put forward to justify his decision: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jpgordon#Review_the_checkuser_case]. Administrator [[user:Aksi_great]], who pushed for this sockpuppetry also don't have any clear evidences:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aksi_great#Blocked_me_for_sockpuppetry_.._why.21.21].
#I didnt get a clear answer from [[User:Thatcher131]] on why he added [[user:Ganeshco]], [[user:Bharatson]] and [[user:Ashokachakra]]. See my question:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thatcher131&diff=prev&oldid=112509797].
Hope to get a legitimate decision on this case -- [[User:Sundaram7|<b><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;color:#999999;">Sun</span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#666666;">da</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333;">ram</span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;">7</span></b>]] 05:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC).
:{{moreinfo}} — please provide a code letter - it is essential for your Check to be considered, per the instructions at the top of the page. Thank you, <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:Anthony_cfc|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">anthony</span>]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Anthony_cfc|<span style="color:#ff5b00;font-weight:bold;">cfc</span>]]]</sup></span> 17:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{delisted}} — non-compliant request; refrain from archiving at present, until contact with requesting userh as been responded too. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:Anthony_cfc|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">anthony</span>]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Anthony_cfc|<span style="color:#ff5b00;font-weight:bold;">cfc</span>]]]</sup></span> 17:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:: I have just added the codes. provided all the evidences needed to fix the check-user. -- [[User:Sundaram7|<b><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;color:#999999;">Sun</span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#666666;">da</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333;">ram</span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;">7</span></b>]] 09:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
{{declined}}. I have no idea what you are asking for here. Self-requested checks are not fulfilled, and these account are all old. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 19:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
=== Sundaram7 ===
{{rfcu box|case=Pens withdrawn|filed=08:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)}}
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The first 4 users voted the same way (keep) at [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Popular_Front_of_India]]. Bharatson and Ramduke haven't made any edits outside of AfD. The others have also been involved in edit-warring at [[National Development Front]]. I had to fully protect the page today because of the constant edit-warring. See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&action=history history] of the article to see the many instances where they have reverted to each others' version to evade 3RR. [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]]) 08:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
: '''Comment''': I was unaware of [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pens withdrawn]] when I filed this case. It has already been proven that Bharatson is a sockpuppet of Sundaram7. But I would still like to know if Truehindu and NotBound are sockpuppets and if yes then who is still continuing sockpuppetry - Sundaram or Fear the Fire. - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]]) 19:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::{{clerknote}}: Moved to [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pens withdrawn]]. [[User:Real96|<b
{{moreinfo}} Per '''E''' (3RR violation using socks), '''please list four differences''' showing the 3RR violation. [[User:Real96|<b
:: '''Comment from user''': What [[User:Aksi_great]] argue is incorrect. There might be a lot of people in the same IP ___domain thinking in the same way and posting their comments. The administrator in previous case said ''Likely that Sundaram7 = Bharatson'', but it was just based on his assumption and not confired and proved. Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thatcher131&oldid=113215182] where Thatcher131 is not sure that the others are my sock puppet but he has blocked me already. Thre is a 3RR related to the article [[National Development Front]] which is explained in a different stream[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Lionheart5] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/128.83.114.37]. The 3RR is not from me but related these cases. Fortunately the users were already being blocked based on other requests. [[User:Sundaram7|<b><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;color:#999999;">Sun</span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#666666;">da</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333;">ram</span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;">7</span></b>]] 05:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
: Here are 2 sets of reverts made by the users. If they all are the same person, it would have breached 3RR.
:3 reverts
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=112997456&oldid=112825702]
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113022421&oldid=113010316]
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113038550&oldid=113036779]
:Another set of 3 reverts
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=114016983&oldid=113815967]
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=114091510&oldid=114053096]
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=114250238&oldid=114098654]
:Both of the users Sundaram7 and Fear the Fire have been involved in previous sockpuppetry cases. Hence I suspect that either one, or both of them are still using socks to revert war. - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]]) 11:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
It is true that I had to do many reverts because the article is constantly attacked by vandals. See the The talk page, where i have discussed reasons for every reverts([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:National_Development_Front#Marad_riots], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:National_Development_Front#Congress_campaigns_against_terrorism]). Some editors have tried to change the entire structure and content of the article([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=110658555&oldid=110537150], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=111078763&oldid=111047079]) in one stretch , for which I followed a step by step approach to keep the article in the same framework which was created by admins here and also push the POVs under critisism section so that there wont be constant fights regarding those issues. I don't think there was a need for me to breach 3RR. It doesn't make any sense that i have sock puppet just to prevent 3rr warnings. There are lot of people and lot of sock puppets trying to destroy the article of which few are already blocked.
Regarding the first set, I see user [[User:NotBound]] involved in it. it looks like he was active just for that day in wikipedia. Maybe [[User:NotBound]] and [[User:Wrong_not]](was listed as my sock puppet) are one. [[User:Wrong_not]] was blocked and this might be his new ID. I have already said that i am working on a large LAN when I got the sock puppet warning from [[User:Thatcher131]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fear_the_Fire])
Regarding the second set, i am not involved and there is again a chance that [[User:Truehindu]] == [[User:NotBound]].
-- [[User:Fear the Fire|Fear the Fire]] 12:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::'''Comment: need facts, not assumptions''': It looks like [[user:Aksi_great]] is mislead by [[user:Bakasuprman]] from the discussion page [[Talk:National_Development_Front]]. I am not involved in any other sockpuppetry cases than this and [[user:Aksi_great]] has created a redundant check user for me at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/sundaram7]. But the users who really tamperted the article are ignored. see the cases
::* Hkelkar[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Hkelkar]
::* Lionheart5[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Lionheart5],
::* Bakasuprman[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Bakasuprman],
::* 128.83.114.37 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/128.83.114.37]
::* and 70.113.112.244[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:70.113.112.244] are related to the subject.
::The real vandalism and 3RR are here
::* the '''edit pattern''' of 70.113.112.244 in the article [[National_Development_Front]] in the changes [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113039346&oldid=113038550], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113036779&oldid=113022421], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113010316&oldid=112997456], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=112825702&oldid=112788796].
::* '''Also''' pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&action=history] for details. He has continous RVVs at[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&oldid=111297602], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&oldid=111275459], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&oldid=111274443] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&oldid=111078763].
::* '''Also''' patterns [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=111297602&oldid=111295135], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=111275459&oldid=111275175], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=111274443&oldid=111273975], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=111078763&oldid=111047079], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=110630574&oldid=110537150].
::* Then same can be seen in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marad_massacre&diff=111079038&oldid=111075457] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marad_massacre&action=history]. [[User:Sundaram7|<b><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;color:#999999;">Sun</span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#666666;">da</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333;">ram</span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;">7</span></b>]] 14:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::I am not a sockpuppet of Hkelkar as has been proved a bazillion times. Such allegations only come from banned [[islamofascist]] trolls, and I have no qualms attacking those that fool themselves into propagating such myths. I have never used sockpuppets in an abusive manner unlike Hkelkar and sundaram/pens withdrawn/bhaisaab/ terryjho/etc.<b>[[User:Bakasuprman|<span style="color:purple;">Baka</span>]][[User talk:Bakasuprman|<span style="color:red;">man</span>]]</b> 04:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
::: Can u mention, where i used a suckpuppet in abusive manner??.. if u are talking about [[User:Wrong_not]], what did that user do?? he had contributed only once in wiki [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=110315605&oldid=110315276] which was a revert for the changes made by a vandal ip. If i am the same user, I could have easily reverted myself without any edit warning... I dont understand why u keep so much hatred towards muslims???
:::If any nuetral person analyse the history of that article, they can simply arrive at a conclusion that u are one among the facists. Your edit are simply similar to the edits of those banned users Hkelkar, Lionheart5 and others ips. Only thing is that recently you are very cautious in your efforts to degrade the article, that too after the intervention of admins. <b>Check the very first edit of [[User:Bakasuprman|<span style="color:purple;">Baka</span>]][[User talk:Bakasuprman|<span style="color:red;">man</span>]]</b> in the article ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=96972749&oldid=95995897] -- he gave a new founder to the organization who is one of the accused terrorist and changed "NDF is an Human Rights Organisation" to "NDF is an Terrorist Organisation" and later on it was changed to islamic militant organization. huh!!!!) -- [[User:Fear the Fire|Fear the Fire]] 06:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:'''Request from user to admin''': To the admin clerk and to whomever resolving this issue, I have a request. Please evaluate both sides and it should not be one sided. [[User:Aksi_great]] has only highlighted the sockpuppery cases of [[user:sundaram7]]. I dont know why he is ignoring the other side. If he not interested to enquire the other side,it proves the '''admin notice board case on [[User:Aksi_great]]''' here:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Reporting_Aksi_great] has some meaning. The parties involved are same. -- [[User:Sundaram7|<b><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;color:#999999;">Sun</span><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#666666;">da</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333;">ram</span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial;">7</span></b>]] 08:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::{{clerknote}} Not to say that sort of discussion is irrelevant -- it can be very important -- but that's not the matter at hand on this page, and RfCU isn't a discussion page. Please direct any and all further such discussion to [[WP:AN/I]] or to this page's talk page. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 15:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC) – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 15:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:{{Declined}}. Hurts the eyes. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 21:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::{{Confirmed}} upon reconsideration for all named users other than Ramduke, who is IP-unrelated. No comment regarding the IP. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 17:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
=== Pens withdrawn ===
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{{userlinks|BhaiSaab}} and {{userlinks|TerryJ-Ho}} are banned for one year per [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar]], and have already been caught using sockpuppets at [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/MinaretDk]]. Pens withdrawn and Wrong_not are two new accounts that have been edit warring with an anonymous IP editor from the University of Texas at Austin (obviously Hkelkar) at {{la|National Development Front}}. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 12:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:There is a better chance pens is related to the users I listed. They have engaged in votestacking [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Popular_Front_of_India&action=history here].<b>[[User:Bakasuprman|<
*{{confirmed}} that [[User:Wrong_not|Wrong_not]] = [[User:Pens_withdrawn|Pens_withdrawn]], but {{unrelated}} to TerryJ-Ho, His excellency, or BhaiSaab.
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