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Thoughts? [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 19:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:These are all good ideas – one of the easiest to implement technically would be a simple edit count-based check (e.g., < 3K,4K,whatever edits = display notice + instructions). Counting the number of reviews by a certain editor and suggesting that users request reviews of their work is a bit more difficult, and ''probably'' out of scope of the actual helper script (without making it unbearably slow and bloated), ''but'' I'm definitely in favor of a separate bot that generates a bunch of statistics somewhere, say [[WP:WPAFC/Review stats]], listing things like "new editor reviews", "lots of reviews", etc., etc. I know some data mining has been conducted in the past but consolidating these efforts into one central page, and making it much easier to keep track of reviewers, would be a step in the right direction. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 19:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
::The edit count will be inaccurate for a reviewer using a shared or dynamic IP address, unless s/he logs in. —[[User_talk:Rybec|<
:::I'm not comfortable with the idea of an IP editor doing reviews at all. [[User:Dodger67|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 23:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:IPs are human too|IPs are human too]]...but in this case, I'm inclined to agree with Roger. This is a non-issue, though, because IP editors cannot actually install the helper script...so there's no way for them to see the notice, regardless. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 23:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry, it's me again. I noticed that at the top of this page is says "Welcome to the Reviewer Help Page" and I wonder if this should be changed to "Welcome to the Afc Helper Script Development Page" or some such. —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 04:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
:{{done}} --[[User:Mdann52|<
:: {{Replyto|Anne Delong|Theopolisme|Mdann52}} Thanks, I overlooked that when I was creating the tab and header and copied over from other page. [[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]] ([[User talk:Technical 13|talk]]) 13:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
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:*It also tripped earlier in the day but was immediately reverted. A couple of minutes ago the page was restored to normal. I'm not marking this as resolved, that needs to be done by whoever will write up the formal bug report and/or fix the code or whoever identifies this as a non-code issue. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 23:13, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
:*Yeah, I fixed it once I noticed the bug. [[user:buffbills7701|buff]][[user talk:buffbills7701|bills]][[User:Buffbills7701/Anti-Vandalism Hall Of Fame|7701]] 23:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
*I'm fairly certain this is a problem with helper script. Devs? —
* Confirmed that this is a bug with the latest development version of the helper script (this is why we have betas :) ). Looking into now. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 00:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
* Bug [https://github.com/WPAFC/afch/commit/79afc85268e603cc171ed6f6eff5704df21554c1 fixed]; thanks for the report. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 00:28, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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:Actually the template submitdraft was wrong. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AAFC_submission%2Fdraftsubmit&diff=cur&oldid=prev]
:and thus the script didn't worked until I fixed it here [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArticles_for_creation%2FPriscillia_Sari_Dewi_(2)&diff=cur&oldid=prev]
:Regards, <small style="font: 12px Courier New; color: #000000; display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 3px 1px 4px;background-color:#fff">[[User talk:Mabdul|mabdul]]</small> 11:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I wonder how that happened. —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 22:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
:::<small>Looks like somebody [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:AFC_submission/draftsubmit&diff=next&oldid=456203984 got confused]... ''two years ago''. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 00:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)</small>
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If you add a G12 and blank the page, it takes far longer to get it deleted. I have to restore the page back and add the G12 banner to the restored page, so that I can use the very useful script in the banner to test how much data has been copied. Sadly the script will not work with history pages, only the live one. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid;color:#dfdfdf; padding:1px;background:#ffffdf"><
:Hmm. Per AfC instructions, that is what we are supposed to do, and the AfC Helperbot blanks the page. Alternate suggestions? Thanks! [[User:78.26|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:red; padding:1px;background:1h5h1h"><
::Maybe some discussion need to start at the AfC - as far as I can see, there are only a editors few blanking - I'm not saying you are wrong! Obviously some effort went into the G12 template to add the Duplicator Detector system, but it won't work (and I've tried) unless the page is current. Certainly every "normal" article tagged with G12 (often using Twinkle to add the template - and why not, it's so much easier) never gets blanked, and if the Duplicator Detector shows a large copy, then they get deleted really quickly anyway. I'm not sure there is a right or wrong - but I've noticed that the ones blanked always last to get deleted! Food for thought. :-) '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid;color:#dfdfdf; padding:1px;background:#ffffdf"><
:::Alright, I'll copy this at the AfC Discussion. [[User:78.26|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:red; padding:1px;background:1h5h1h"><
::::Thanks - just had a further hunt - both [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as copyright violations]] and [[WP:CSD#G12]] do not suggest blanking when applying G12. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid;color:#dfdfdf; padding:1px;background:#ffffdf"><
What thinks everyone? [[User:78.26|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:red; padding:1px;background:1h5h1h"><
:There's no reason copyvios need to be blanked before deletion. The only thing we should be blanking are G10's. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 20:18, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
:Well, the copyvio-detector scripts should be rewritten :). In the meantime, see if putting "collapse top" and "collapse b" templates around the copyvio'd text will hide the text without breaking the copyvio-detection tools. I'm willing to forgo blanking on copyright issues ''for now'' if it is needed to make the jobs of deleting admins easier.
:By the way, for some copyvios the right thing to do is BLANK and NOT DELETE (or blank and request revision deletion). I sometimes do this if I see a notable topic with an editor where [[WP:AGF]] still applies AND I think that editor or another editor is seriously interested in creating a valid article about the topic. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 22:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
::In any case, I have decided to uncheck "blank the submission" when declining for copyright violation, unless it is blatantly obvious to me that 1. the article copies an unreliable source disparaging the subject or 2. the copyright violation is a copy of a source which would very obviously not want their work copied, such as CNN.com or some such. Most copyright violations are probably submitted by the creator of the copied web page (i.e. the article subject). If others feel this is the incorrect course of action, please let me know. [[User:78.26|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:red; padding:1px;background:1h5h1h"><
:::Assuming you are not going to CSD it, the text that is a COPYVIO should be removed. Whether this is by {{tl|afc clear}}, {{tl|courtesy blank}}, or without a template isn't quite as critical. As a courtesy to an editor who you believe will either rewrite the text to make an acceptable submission or go through the process of donating the text to Wikipedia, you may follow-on with an afc comment that includes a link to the last pre-blank entry in the edit history or, better yet, to the source of the copyvio. Removing the text does two very important things: It '''sends a clear message''' that copyright violations will not be tolerated, it provides a copyvio-free version for the few web search engines that see WT:AFC/ pages to pick up, and the sudden shrinkage of the page size in the edit history serves as a marker in the page's history. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 22:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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It said deleted twice, but only one instance of deletion was listed. Then the rest of the article is shown underneath this, but no decline options. I had to use Twinkle instead, which would be okay but I am missing my vitally important points for the backlog drive.... —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 04:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
:{{confirmed}} @Theopolisme: Actually [[Indubious]] was deleted two times, but the tool only shows the one Anne listed. <small style="font: 12px Courier New; color: #000000; display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 3px 1px 4px;background-color:#fff">[[User talk:Mabdul|mabdul]]</small> 08:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
::Perhaps the fact that there was a deletion template listed as part of the "nonsense" was causing it to bug out. At any rate, it didn't continue on to display the Accept/Decline/Comment toolbar, so I couldn't put it under review or decline it as a copyvio. —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 10:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Investigating this. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 03:17, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
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== AFCH - Cleanup problem. ==
Recently i accepted an article that contained a large amount of "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutellum_%28insect_anatomy%29 scutellum" style links to Wikipedia pages. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Notonecta_undulata&diff=prev&oldid=583242461 cleanup] on the page seems to handle those links incorrectly though. Instead of converting them into wikilinks it seems to add three leading square brackets and one trailing square bracket. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Notonecta_undulata&diff=prev&oldid=583245544 This] revision displays the (manual) correction that was required to repair these broken links. [[User:Excirial|<
:Able to replicate this -- will look into later today. Thanks for the report! (I think it's a problem with AutoEd conflicting with our built in wikilink correction.) '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 16:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
::{{done|Fixed}} [https://github.com/WPAFC/afch/commit/9b76a545083ad99571e4fe3f0b97a70c760771b7], will be available for end users soon. '''[[User:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#232323;">Theopolisme</span>]] <span style="color:#4F4F4F;">([[User talk:Theopolisme|<span style="color:#4F4F4F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 05:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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:*Ambivilant about this. On the one hand I can count on two hands the number of times that a AfC submitter/creator has come to my talk page announcing that they're giving up on the submission and/or want it deleted. On the other hand, empowering editors is good. I'm weakly opposed to this for the simple reason that I could see where a different editor might stumble into the partial draft and actually finish working on it to get it to acceptance. [[User:Hasteur|Hasteur]] ([[User talk:Hasteur|talk]]) 02:43, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's why I didn't want it to be generally on every decline template, only ones selected as having little usable content as is, such as blank, test edits, articles about one's cat, etc. —[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 03:09, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
*Agree with [[User:Hasteur|Hasteur]], in that I too am ambivalent about this. Also, I fear the law of unintended consequences would rear its ugly head: How many users would press the button just to see what it did? Then we have even more help desk requests asking how to 'stop deletion of my page' and such things... [[User:Bellerophon|<span style="font:small-caps 1.0em Alexandria,serif;color=#00008B;">'''Bellerophon'''
== List of decline reasons ==
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==Proposal to add the decline reason to {{tl|Afc decline}}==
Would it be feasible to get {{tl|Afc decline}} to duplicate the actual text of the reason for declining when the script places the template? Something like the example shown in fig A at [[User:Bellerophon/Sandbox2]]. Moreover, can the script be tweaked to support the change of {{tl|Afc decline}}'s <code>cv=yes</code> parm into a general delete param, that is triggered by checking the CSD checkbox, in conjunction with a supported decline reason? So that the template will present itself something like the one shown at Fig B in my sandbox? [[User:Bellerophon|<span style="font:small-caps 1.0em Alexandria,serif;color=#00008B;">'''Bellerophon'''
===Discussion===
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== Cleanup — Incrorectly placed section headers ==
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emirates_College_for_Advanced_Education&diff=591272511&oldid=591272501 Here],''(Edit: in line 42)'' the cleanup process confused the <nowiki>==</nowiki> in the ref link with wikimarkup, breaking up the whole page.--[[User:Fauzan|<
* I'd say this is an edge case... How many URLs use double == in them? I'd say the reason it is set up to try to "fix" that is because new editors accidentally put spaces or other marks in front of <span class="nowrap">== headings ==</span> which causes them to fail rendering. I'm going to further guess that the code that does that fix is actually in autoed which we use to fix a lot of formatting. {{U|mabdul}}, {{U|Hasteur}}, or {{U|Theopolisme}} might have some further insight... [[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]] ([[User talk:Technical 13|talk]]) 16:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
::Anyway, the link was wrong/rotten, and I have removed it. Still, the script may be changed to overlook such markup ''inside'' references and infoboxes.--[[User:Fauzan|<
== Can't accept [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Elyar Fox|Elyar Fox submission]] ==
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== trouble with [[From the Diary of Sally Hemings]] ==
I wanted to promote this unsubmitted draft. When I chose "submit with the original submitter" the script showed me an error message; I didn't write it down (sorry) but I think it may have been "error: could not find a submission template". The custom submitter option let me proceed; it added a second AfC template. After I clicked "accept", one AfC template remained (I've left it in place but someone may come along and remove it). —[[User_talk:Rybec|<
== no "comment" option for unsubmitted draft ==
I like the commenting feature. Just now I wanted to add a comment to [[Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Divided_visual_field_paradigm]], an unsubmitted draft, but the only buttons shown were "submit" and "clean submission". —[[User_talk:Rybec|<
== User Space to Main Space -> User name is being included in the scripted move ==
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