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* I will convert this to a redirect pointing at {{tl|US-bcast-stub}} and talk with the creator about what to do next.
[[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 02:22, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)<br/>I've decided to sit tight and see what activity transpires in the use of the template over the next couple of days; if nothing, then that will add significant ammunition to a deletion proposal. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 17:23, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)
::Sometime soon well be in a position to simply send them to sfd. (the templates, that is - not the creators of them :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
From [[WP:SFD]] (deletion of {{tl|station-stub}} & [[:Category:Station stubs]], which is now logged, so I'm posting this here):
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==={{tl|finland-musician-stub}}===
Created on July 4th 2005 by [[User:Easyas12c]]. Used by 15 articles. This stub type is certainly correctly constructed, but I'm not sure if it is necessary or desirable. It is used by only a handfull of articles and goes against the current breakdown scheme of musician '''type''' rather than nationality. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 21:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
==August 2005 discoveries==
==={{tl|Venezuela-bio-stub}} (listed)===
Created by {{User|Alex Coiro}} and added to [[:Category:People stubs]]. Redlink category. Used by no articles. {{tl|WPSS-cat}} on that category page completely ignored, it seems. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 10:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
:And there are only 9 biographies in [[:Category:Venezuela-related stubs]]. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 16:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
:This one has been around for a while now, and currently has about 40 stubs, so I have added it to the stub types list. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 23:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
=== {{tl|Tv-episode-stub}} (on [[WP:SFD]])===
Only used in 1 article, but there's certainly more suitable articles. Ought to be named {{tl|Tvepisode-stub}} tho, I think. Also lacks a category. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 07:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
=== {{tl|Manitoba-stub}} ===
Feeds into [[:Category:Canada-related stubs]]. On 1 article. Could only find 5 more suitable articles in that category; atleast 44 in [[:Category:Canada geography stubs]] (so a Manitoba-''geo''-stub ''might'' be useful). --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 00:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
:As of August 4 there were 53 Manitoba geo-stubs. Of the unsplit Canadian provinces and territories, saskatchewan would be next in line for a split, followed by Nunavut, with Manitoba third (this excludes those with the maritimes-geo-stub). For full details of all un-split geographical regions, see [[User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying]]. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 01:07, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 23:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|SEAsian-history-stub}}}===
Created today by an anon user, no category. Probably ought to be deleted. But an {{tl|asia-hist-stub}} ''might'' be useful. If so, could redirect instead. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
:Several of the potential candidates for this category might be candidates for the Vietnam War stub category, I'd guess, too. Asia-hist-stub would probably be very useful, with {{tl|India-hist-stub}} and {{tl|Japan-hist-stub}} the two most viable subcategories. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 23:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Physiology-stub}}===
Another one created today. Also lacks a category. No clue what'd be appropriate to do with it. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
:Redirect to anatomy-stub? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 06:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 23:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Cuba Rev-stub}}===
Another [[User:Wiki brah|Wiki brah]] creation, "for the pro-Castro Cubans to use". I've changed it to a redirect, as the name isn't particularly POV, but if someone wants to put it on SfD, go right ahead. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
==September 2005 discoveries==
==={{tl|Uruguay-bio-stub}}===
Newly created, used on 2 articles. Lacks a category. Not sure if this is useful, but a {{tl|SouthAm-bio-stub}} probably would be. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 03:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
: Yeah, we could probably use a {{tl|SouthAm-bio-stub}}, regardless of whether we actually need a {{tl|Uruguay-bio-stub}}. --[[User:Alynna.Kasmira|Alynna]] 00:58, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 23:46, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|.NET-stub}}===
Newly created and unused. Probably not enough stubs at present, but there is a WikiProject. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 03:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry to say that your comment is completely wrong! .NET not only covers a dozen of articles but needs almost a hundred articles (literally speaking) to be completely covered. It depends on your knowledge about .NET. Even Microsoft itself couldn't define it or summarize it. If there are no enough stubs than that's why the project your are talking about has been created. .NET maybe needs more than you think. Cheers and respect. -- [[User:FayssalF|Svest]] 01:39, September 3, 2005 (UTC) <sup>[[User talk:FayssalF|Wiki me up™]]</sup>
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 00:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Ontario-gov-stub}}===
Uses [[:Category:Canada government stubs]]. Other than that, looks well formed. Used on 2 articles; not sure if it'd get enough use. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 18:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
: Somehow I don't see this being used very much... --[[User:Alynna.Kasmira|Alynna]] 00:48, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 21:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Qatar-stub}} / [[:Category:Qatar-related stubs]]===
Created today; used on 15 articles. If it's to be kept, the category ought to lose the "-related" in it's name. Other than that, looks well formed. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 01:19, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
:This one has been around for a while now and still only has <25 stubs. It hasn't been nominated for SFD though, so I've added it to the stub types list. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 21:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|SA-mil-stub}} / [[:Category:South African military stubs]]===
Newly created, used on 3 articles. Doubtful that there's enough stubs, but I could be wrong. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
:I've populated the stub cat a bit more in the last day or two, mostly with a few squadron stubs that had not yet had the stub notice added to them. All in all there are approx 25 stubs in the category, which I think is enough to warrant the creation of the new stub. Additionally, more will follow as the various SA Army units are given some identity of their own with small articles. Apologies for not first proposing the stub before going ahead and creating it. [[User:Impi|Impi]] 16:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
::The threshold for stub categories is roughly 50 to 60 articles, sometimes 80 to 100 (depending on the subject). [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 21:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Health-corp-stub}}===
Not proposed, and missing a category. Used on 1 article at present (created a day ago). --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 04:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
:Articles with this template could also use the {{tl|leisure-corp-stub}} and {{tl|med-corp-stub}} templates, which already exist. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 21:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 20:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Cheerleading-stub}} / [[:Category:Cheerleading stubs]]===
Not proposed, created in the past day, used on 3 articles. Category lacks any parents. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 04:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
:How many articles could there possibly be about cheerleading? The three articles currently in the category are about mascots, which raises the possibility of a {{tl|mascot-stub}} template. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 21:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
:Added to SFD. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 21:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
==October 2005 discoveries==
==={{tl|keyboardist-stub}} / [[:Category:Keyboardist stubs|Keyboardist stubs]]===
Added to [[:Category:Musician stubs]] today. Appears well formed. Currently used on 4 articles. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 20:23, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
:That could be useful... there's a fair number of piano player stubs floating around, I know --[[User:Alynna.Kasmira|Alynna]] 02:56, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Cat-stub}} / [[:Category:Cat stubs]]===
Created at the end of August; used on 27 articles. Lacks any parent categories. I'd think it would come close to being large enough. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 23:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
:Waaay back in the early days of this project we had a dog-stub that got deleted. Not 100% sure that a cat-stub will ever reach threshold, but "pet-stub" is probably a bit too vague. Keep it for now - we can always sfd it later if it doesn't grow. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 04:34, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a {{tl|dog-stub}} on the list with 204 stubs at the moment, but there's also a Wikiproject associated with it. [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]] 04:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:::My memory must be going. It must have been ''pet-''stub that was either proposed and turned down or found and deleted then. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 06:02, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:I have expanded the scope of this stub type to include [[big cat]]s as well. This pushes the stub count to ~60, so I have added it to the stub types list. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 18:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Robo-stub}} / {{cl|Robotics stubs}}===
Created in July, used on 32 articles. Probably worth keeping. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 19:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:up - this one's probably fine. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 00:00, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|California County Routes Stub}} / {{cl|California County Routes stubs}} ===
Sigh. Anyone know anything about this one? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 10:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|War-stub}}, feeds into {{cl|Military stubs}}===
Noticed this in the mil-stub listing, not proposed AFAIK. Only currently appears linked to from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars]], and no actual articles. I count 22 in the mil-stub category, and probably there's more elsewhere, so it's possibly just about viable; but proposing it first, and creating a category would have been nice. Scope should probably be clarified too: are "campaigns", "operations", etc, categoried here, or with "battles"? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Maybe it would be better to redirect this to battle-stub and expand that stub's wording to include both battoes and wars? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 23:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::Sounds like a plan to me, would certainly simplify what to do with the inbetweenies... There are, though, two separate WPs here... Think merging them, too, is above our pay grade? :) OTOH, they do say "It is vital that we work together closely with this [battles] project"... [[User:Alai|Alai]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Merging the projects is certainly a viable idea, since [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars]] was brought out of inactivity (by members of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Battles]]) only to develop a new version of {{tl|warbox}}; since there are only two (active) members, however, the place is something of an echo chamber. Any input there would be ''very'' welcome, and could cause just about any result you'd like :) [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 01:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::'s not worf my job, mate... Probably a good idea to have a word with both wiki pojects and tell them that it would make more sense to us (and probably be a lot easier for them) if the two stubs were combined into one. Other than that - well, we don;'t want to start a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars|WikiProject War]] , do we :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 01:09, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|EastEndersStub}} / [[:Category:East Enders Stubs]]===
I think this is a misguided effort by a relatively new user. Stub-type and associated category were created today. As yet, just a handful of entries in each. Template and category relate to a BBC [[soap opera]] called [[EastEnders]].
:'''possibly''' useful - it's a pretty big series (though we haven't got a Coro. Street stub, which is bigger). If kept, both will need renaming, though (to {{tl|EastEnders-stub}} and {{cl|EastEnders stubs}}). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 22:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::I've moved it to EastEnders-stub... I'll take the previous name to sfd, though I'm tempted to take both there. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 05:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Scotland-stub}} / {{cl|Scotland-related stubs}}===
And the redirect [[:Category:Scotland stubs]]. Created today, used on 2 articles and placed into the stub category hierarchy. The category ought to have the name of the redirect... --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]]
*Weird. And with a circularity in the categories, for good measure. I've reversed category and redirect, and "moved" the articles and sub-cats. But this is probably reasonable and possibly viable, depending on numbers in UK-stub. Though let the ritual scolding of the creator begin, regardless. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
*No need to have a redirected category. Once it's been empty a couple of days it can be speedied. I agree that {{cl|Scotland stubs}} is the better name, and I don't see any problem with this one being filled (but now that it exists, expect someone to come along and create Wales-stub and England-stub!) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 08:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
*The standard naming of such stubs is ''"foo-related stubs",'' so why did Alai move it to the non-standard ''"foo stubs"?'' It really is a mess with the circularity of the redirect. I tried to reverse it to '''Scotland-related stubs''', but as a newbie I do not understand why the artcles (11 of them ) did not automatically go back to Scotland-related from Scotland. This will have to go to [[Wikipedia:Categories for Deletion]] for discussion and potential renaming. I became interested in this topic with the establishment of the [[Wikipedia:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board|Scottish Wikipedians' notice board]], and as I was copying the Norwegian template, I just copied their "Norway-related stubs" to "Scotland-related stubs". I was actually very surprised when the link did not come back red!--[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] 11:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
*The standard is not "''foo''-related stubs", but "''foo'' stubs". If this is to be discussed on a deletion page, it has to be [[WP:SFD]], not [[WP:CFD]]. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 12:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
*''"The standard is not "''foo''-related stubs", but "''foo'' stubs"."'' That does not appear to be the case. If you have a look at [[:Category:Africa-related stubs]], [[:Category:Central Asia-related stubs]], [[:Category:Russia-related stubs]], [[:Category:Faroe Islands-related stubs]], [[:Category:United Kingdom-related stubs]], [[:Category:Gibraltar-related stubs]], [[:Category:United States-related stubs]], [[:Category:Quebec-related stubs]], [[:Category:Pitcairn-related stubs]], and hundreds of others, it is pretty clear that ''"foo-related stubs" is the standard format.--[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] 13:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
*It has recently been decided (I think it was on [[WP:WSS/P]]) that the standard (or the naming guideline, if you will) is "''foo'' stubs." We are slowly but steadily working on converting "''foo''-related stubs" to "''foo'' stubs", as you can see on [[WP:SFD]] (see for instance [[Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Deleted/October 2005|October's deletion log]]). [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 13:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
*D'oh. Serves me right for an "out-of-process move", I suppose, but as it was created out of process anyway... I think this rather proves, that there's a reason for the process. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 14:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Japan-politician-stub}} / {{cl|Japanese politician stubs}}===
Created today, used on 2 articles. Very likely viable, given the size of it's parent categories. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 03:27, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:I say we inform the creator of this template and category of the procedures, for future cases, add this one to [[WP:WSS/ST]] and start filling the category. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 16:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Canada-university-stub}} moved to {{tl|Canada-edu-stub}}===
[[User:Spinboy|Spinboy]] has taken it upon himself to move Canada-university-stub to Canada-edu-stub. As this changes the scope and creates a mess, this probably ought to be undone, shouldn't it? --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 22:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
: We've already got a Canada-school-stub and (well, had) a Canada-university-stub, so this really isn't necessary... Doesn't doing it by country first cut across the existing organisation? '''Put it back'''. --[[User:Alynna.Kasmira|Alynna]] 23:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::agreed - and asap. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 00:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Done. {{tl|Canada-edu-stub}} is still a redirect, but probably ought to be deleted... --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 00:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::so... sfd... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 01:18, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Valencia-stub}} / {{cl|Valencia (autonomous community) stubs}}===
Created today, and used on 36 articles. Might get enough use to be worth keeping... --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:38, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:...many of those articles would, if anything, use a Valencia-geo-stub. This is probably in response to the Catalonia stub created last week (which was created with the specific instruction to keep the Spain-xxx-stub on geo and bio-stubs). Sigh. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 07:16, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
: Hi! I've created this stub because there are a lot of articles related to Land of Valencia lost without the category [[:Category:Valencian Community]], and because most of these are stubs. I'm sure that it reaches more than 100 articles. I haven't created this stub in response to Catalonia-stub, in fact, it's probably that later must be created some common stubs related for both categories such as Catalan literature. --[[User:Joanot|Joanot Martorell]] <span style="font-size:x-large;">[[User_talk:Joanot|✉]]</span> 07:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|radio-station-stub}}===
Feeds into {{cl|Broadcasting stubs}}, used on 9 articles. See proposal page for a proposed reorganization of {{tl|radio-stub}} and its relatives. [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]] 19:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|China-military-stub}}===
Linked to [[:category:military of the People's Republic of China]] (yes, not a stub-specific category). — [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 04:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
*Not outrageous, but: would be better at China-mil-stub, for consistency; and questionable viability. I counted 19 of these in {{tl|mil-stub}}, and it's not clear that there's huge numbers in either {{tl|china-stub}} or the above permanent category. But it might creep up to above the threshold (or at least, ''a'' threshold). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
==November 2005 archives==
==={{tl|Bolivia-geo-stub}} / [[:Category:Bolivia geography stubs]]===
Created today, already used on 103 articles. I've listed it on [[WP:WSS/ST]] --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 07:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Without looking, let me guess. Are the creator's initials TC? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 00:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::Good guess :) --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 04:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Geelong-stub}} / [[:Category:Geelong stubs]]===
Created today, used on 60 articles. Given it's size, I've added it to [[WP:WSS/ST]]. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 01:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
* How does a city of 200,000 warrant 69 articles, let alone 69 stubs? I suspect a lot of those atricles need to be either deleted or merged. [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]] 04:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
*Unless there's a wikiproject, this should be deleted - irrespective of its size. And most of these are Victoria-geo-stubs anyway. Once you take them out, you're left with about half a dozen stubs. This one's heading for SFD. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 05:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|UNMIK}} and {{tl|Republik of Kosova}} / [[:Category:Kosovo stub]]===
Created in April, category contains 30 articles. Quite horrible. [[User:Conscious|Conscious]] 12:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:While a case could be made for havin a separate Montenegro stub, this one isn't needed. And the stub names are, as you say, quite horrible. This one should probably be sfd'd. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color:green;">wha?</span>]]''</small> 00:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
::We also probably want to have to avoid as long as possible the Kosova/Kosovo controversy [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]] 06:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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