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::::::::{{Reply to|M.Bitton}} Thank you! [[User:Treetoes023|Treetoes023]] ([[User talk:Treetoes023|talk]]) 21:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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== Wildemount (fictional continent) ==

[https://criticalrole.fandom.com/wiki/Wildemount?file=Wildemount_Poster_Map.jpg Official map] published in [[Explorer's Guide to Wildemount]] ([https://www.redgiantmaps.com/maps/wildemount interactive unofficial map]); limited map modeled on these fictional maps:

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Wisteria Lane map, season 1.svg|Used at [[Desperate Housewives (season 1)]]

Forgotten Realms map.jpg|Used at [[Faerûn]]

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;Article(s):

: [[Critical Role (campaign two)]]

;Request:

: Looking for a limited (within fair use) map of the fictional Wildemount continent following the suggestion of including more media during a [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Critical Role (campaign two)/archive1|featured list nomination]]. The official maps include way more detail than would be needed; I'd like the map to only feature the locations the characters actually visited (listed by region with the ___location in the order the adventuring party visited):

:* Dwendalian Empire: Trostenwald, Alfield, Zadash, Labenda Swamp, Hupperdook, Felderwin, Rexxentrum, Kamordah

:* Greying Wildlands: Shadycreek Run, Blooming Grove (within the Savalirwood), Uthodurn, Flotket Alps

:* Menagerie Coast: Nicodranas, Port Damali

:* Swavain Islands (Lucidian Ocean): Darktow Isle, Rumblecusp

:* Kryn Dynasty: Ashkeeper Peaks, Asarius, Rosohna, Bazzoxan

:* Eiselcross: Balenpost, Vurmas Outpost

:This isn't a comprehensive list of everywhere they went but I think it provides enough detail to show the widespan of locations various arcs were located. Thanks! [[User:Sariel Xilo|Sariel Xilo]] ([[User talk:Sariel Xilo|talk]]) 23:14, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

;Discussion:

== Hearst Castle grounds ==

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File:Hearst Castle grounds.svg|Map of Hearst Castle and its grounds

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;Article(s):

: [[Hearst Castle]]

;Request:

: Would it be possible to get a map of Hearst Castle and its immediate grounds? I'm thinking of something like the one created for [[Sissinghurst Castle Garden]]. I'm been doing some work on Hearst Castle and it recently made GA. I'd like to re-try it at FAC but the house, the cottages and the gardens are a bit complicated and a map would really help readers. The example included here, [https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/569bd28f40667a727ee71b59/1577637805592-Z0V5N2AECXLLQKDJ9HT8/HearstCastleMap.jpeg?format=750w], is pretty much what I'm looking for. I'd be delighted to discuss labelling with any editor who could do it. We'd basically need: Casa Grande / North and South wings / Casa del Sol / Casa del Monte / Casa del Mar / Neptune Pool / Roman Pool. [https://bloggingandthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Hearst-Castle-Map.jpg This] would help. Many thanks in advance. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 10:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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:I will look into it (I'm not promising anything). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 14:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

::Absolutely understood. I appreciate your taking a look. Best regards. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 14:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:::{{re|KJP1}} this is what I managed to extract from OSM (the castle, its grounds, fence, etc). Let me know what you think. Best, [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

::::{{U|M.Bitton}} - That looks fantastic! Thanks so much. You've got all of the necessary elements in, the relationship between the different parts is very clear, and I really like the way you've flipped it to a north/south axis with north at the top. That follows the panorama image we've got at the start of the Architecture section (a view from the south looking north), and shows the run of the buildings from west to east very well. It will really help readers understand the layout of what is quite a complex site. A couple of thoughts. Would it be possible to crop the image so that we just have what is within the black dotted line? The outlying areas (in lighter and darker green) aren't so critical for understanding the main site's layout, and cropping it and expanding the central image will enable us to clearly label the main features, Casa Grande, the cottages, the Neptune Pool etc. Then, within the black dotted line, could we lose the red dotted lines? I don't think they're essential and they muddy the waters a bit. Lastly, I'd really appreciate your advice on labelling. What we need is the clearest way possible to highlight the essential features of the site. The Sissinghurst map did this well, and we could follow that, i.e. labelling with A/B/C etc. and a key below, but I'm fine if you'd prefer another approach. Hugely appreciate the effort you've put in and we're on course for a great map that will really help the reader to understand the site. All the very best, and thanks again. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 22:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{re|KJP1}} just be clear: are you suggesting we lose everything that is outside of the fence (black dotted line)? The red dotted line is a footpath (it's up to you whether you want to keep it or not). What about the road? [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 22:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:::::: Yep, I think we can lose everything outside of the fence (black dotted line). And the footpath (red dotted line). But I'd like to keep the road within the fence. This was the main entrance to the castle, and guests came up by road, from the airstrip or the train, round to the South Terrace, before they were dropped off and took the steps up to the forecourt in front of Casa Grande. This is exactly as Cecil Beaton described it and the map will show it very well. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 22:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:::::::Is this what you had in mind? [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 23:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

::::::::That is '''exactly''' what I had in mind! Thank you very much indeed. How do you think we can best label it? [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 06:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::That would depend on what needs to be labelled. Have a look at the source of the SVG and let me know which of the features (casa_del_mar, casa_del_sol, neptune_pool, etc.) needs a legend. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 12:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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OK - starting top right, with the big square yellow block, all within the white road, my suggestions would be:

:* Tennis courts over Roman Pool

:* South Wing

:* South Terrace

:* Casa del Mar

:* Casa del Sol

:* Neptune Pool

:* Casa del Monte

:* North Terrace

:* Casa Grande

:* North Wing

:* one of the squiggly bits of purple to the north or south of Casa Grande to be Esplanade. On that point, is it possible to continue the Esplanade to the west and east of Casa Grande so that it becomes a continuous loop around the main building? To the west, it goes round the forecourt in front of Grande, giving entrance to the three cottages, and to the east it joins up in front of the tennis courts.

:The only other features I can think of are (a) some indicator as to which way is north and (b) do we have any way of working out roughly the size of the site depicted, e.g. X sq. miles (or whatever is the way it would be done in the US, in England we'd use acres, would the US?) and indicate that? We can, of course, do that in a key, as per [[Sissinghurst Castle Garden]] if that works better. How does that all sound? Thanks again for your continuing help. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:Calculating the area is easily done. I'll let you know when it's finished (probably Monday). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 13:51, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

::Terrific. Have a good weekend, and don't spend it all on this map! [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 14:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

:::{{Done}} (I think). The area is roughly 22 acres (88305 sqm). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{U|M.Bitton}} - Thank you. It is a beautiful plan, and fits wonderfully into the article, as you can [[Hearst Castle#Plan of the castle complex|see]]. I am incredibly grateful. A suitable acknowledgement when I roll it to FAC will be forthcoming - and fully deserved. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 21:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

::::::p.s. - and you read my mind and put in the [[quatrefoil]] pool in the Central Plaza! [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 21:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:::::::{{re|KJP1}} you are most welcome. Thank you so much for the acknowledgment. Best, [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 13:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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