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==Newly discovered, February 2007==
==={{tl|ferry-stub}} / {{cl|ferry stubs}}===
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Unproposed, but well-populated and seems well-scoped. And unless we count the 80 pixel image, well-formed. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now holds 84 articles. I suggest we '''keep'''. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{tl|Exercise physiology-stub}}===
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I'd say this was poorly formatted, but that would imply that it was formatted at all, which it isn't really. No cat, no links, no ''anything''. And then there's the space in the template name... might possibly be a useful split, though I'm a little dubious, and if it is we've just about got to start over from scratch with this one. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 23:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:It doesn't appear to be in use, and the creator this stub type hasn't responded (as best I can) to the posting on his talk page more than two weeks ago. Why don't you just start the process of getting it deleted? -- <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] </span> [[User talk:John Broughton |(??)]] 04:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Still languishing, nothing links there, no cleanup. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 16:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Norwegian television stubs}}===
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The result of the debate was '''upmerge to Euro tv stubs'''
Newly created category. Unfortunately, the Norwegian material is very small in this respect, so an upmerge looks like the logical conclusion. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 15:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:agreed, we decided to upmerge all those stubs for a reason before. Not much changed. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] ? [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] ? [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 19:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Currently used on 11 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{tl|Cantabria-stub}} / {{cl|Cantabria stubs}}===
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A reasonable split - one of the Spanish autonomous regions which hasn't had a stub type up until now... The template seems fine, but the category is very small - there's far from any guarantee of 60 stubs. A possible upmerging candidate until we're sure there are enough. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 08:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now used on 74 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 16:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Gender-stub}} and {{tl|Masc-stub}}===
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The result of the debate was '''upmerge gender-stub & masc-stub to gender-studies-stub'''
Two new stub types for gender studies and men's studies (redlinked categories). At the moment these are covered by sex-stub and sociology-stub. {{cl|Sex stubs}} isn't really big enough to split, but its name does suggest things not entirely compatible with gender studies... perhaps the best solution might be deleting masc-stub (it would be automatically covered by gender-stub if kept), but keep gender-stub, and direct both it and sex-stub to a re-named category covering both aspects of this topic? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:Apologies for not proposing these stub types. Its a 100% case of my not reading policy first - sorry. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]] makes a good point about the name of Gender-stub and about deleting masc-stub. However, I wouldn't really favour a conflation of sexuality stubs and gender studies stubs because they are very different areas. A feminism stub already exists, perhaps a merge of gender-stub and {{tl|fem-stub}} would be more appropriate since feminism would also be covered by a Gender studies stub?--[[User:Cailil|Cailil]] 01:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
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:If we were to strictly follow the permcats, we'd have {{cl|gender stubs}} with {{cl|feminism stubs}} as a sub-type, and {{cl|male-studies-stubs}} being upmerged to the former on the basis of a) size, and b) there being no permcat at all for that at present. ({{cl|Feminism}} is a child of {{cl|gender}} and a sibling cat of {{cl|gender studies}}, and {{cl|feminist theory}} is a child of both.) None of that would be set in stone, of course. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 00:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I like Caerwine's solution. Mind you, it still leaves the problem of the numbers... ISTR there is also a LBGT-stub and LGBT-activist-stub, which would also make suitable child categories of this. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
*'''Update''': {{tl|gender-stub}} links to 2 items; {{tl|masc-stub}} 0 (and has no cat); {{tl|fem-stub}} 155. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{cl|1950s song stubs}}===
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A self-discovery/true life confession, but on the pattern of other decade-based splits, of a perennially-oversized parent (even after botting about 300 of them tonight). It's a little undersized at present, but there's a pre-existing sub-type. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now holds 69 articles and has a sub-cat. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{tl|IRA-stub}} / {{cl|IRA stubs}}===
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Another unproposed stub type. Misnamed (should be {{cl|Irish Republican Army stubs}}), but yet again it has the problem of one side in a civil conflict so probably should be deleted (unlike the last case, hopefully no-one will accuse this son of the O'Duibhgeannains of being racist!). This one has a WikiProject, which does make a little difference, but it's still not clear there'd be sufficient stubs for it. A WP-specific talk page template is probably a better solution. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 06:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Why do we need a stub for Individual Retirement Accounts? If needed, would {{tl|NI-paramilitary-org-stub}} and/or {{tl|Ireland-paramilitary-org-stub}} as a child of {{tl|paramilitary-org-stub}} suffice? <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer's whines</small>]] 06:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:Hi. I made the template. I just stole the Ireland stub temp. and replaced the image, basically. I thought it'd be a good idea to help the project identify and keep track of stub articles which fall within the scope of our article. I wasn't aware I was supposed to propose a stub; I've been following [[WP:BB]]. I'm not sure how many stubs there should be within the scope of a given topic to warrant a stub template/category of its own, but as it stands we have very few articles on individuals of significant length, and once you get away from the men who fought the Wars of Independence, your chances of finding an article of substance get even lower. Almost all of the articles listed in any of the various IRAs' membership categories are stubs.
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::Including following "be bold" where it says "be bold in updating ''articles''" (emph. added) and "Exceptions: Categories and templates"? There should be about 30; if there's not likely to be, then I suggest keeping the template, upmerged (and thus deleting the category), and as Grutness says, using a WP-specific talk page template as associated category (c.f. {{cl|Stub-Class Assyrian articles}}, for example). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 10:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, I have no doubt there will be at least 30. It's just hard to get around to them all! I apologize if I've done something I'm not supposed to; I am new. I'll do my best in the next few days to sort through our various categories. I need to do so, anyway! <b>[[User:Johnathan_Swift|<span style="color:#006600">Erin Go Bragh</span>]]</b>[[User talk:Johnathan Swift|<sup>talk</sup>]] 09:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:One possible compromise might be an Ireland-hist-stub, Ireland-mil-stub or similar. The problem is what proportion of IRA-related articles are RoI and what proportion are NI - many of them will be in that grey area between the two. Mind you, a NI-mil-hist-stub (or similar) might solve one problem in that it will accept stubs for both republican and loyalist factions, increasing the number of stubs and allowing the same editors access to twice as many articles that they would have some skill in editing (assuming good faith WRT POV). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::One of my big motivations for creating these categories was that they were not reliant on being either RoI or NI; being associated with the IRA is one thing you can apply to many people. I'm really not too knowledgable about how the stub category system works. I just want some method of grouping IRA-related stub articles for our WikiProject. If the stub temp. gets deleted, then I would really appreciate help in setting up an alternative. <b>[[User:Johnathan_Swift|<span style="color:#006600">Erin Go Bragh</span>]]</b>[[User talk:Johnathan Swift|<sup>talk</sup>]] 09:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Canadian political party stubs}}===
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Looks pretty good to me (aside from the horrific stub template coding, which I've just changed), but after adding the WSS template, I realized it wasn't listed. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 09:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now holds 64 articles. '''Keep'''. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{cl|Colorado education stubs}}===
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One article. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 12:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Contains 2 articles, a template and a WikiProject.
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==={{cl|Computer engineering stubs}}===
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The result of the debate was '''upmerge'''
I thought this had already been discussed, but I can't find it listed anyplace. Sensible-sounding, but currently small. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 14:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Japan-lit-stub}} / {{cl|Japanese literature stubs}}===
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The result of the debate was '''Previously proposed, so not a discovery'''
Unproposed, very small. Well enough formatted, but we don't split by country of origin or language (perhaps we should?) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:Oops - my apologies - there was a proposal after all! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
::I can remove the subcat from [[:Category:Literature stubs]] if we should not be splitting by country/language; because, that wasn't discussed in the original proposal. I added it 'cause it seemed like a good idea; but, maybe not? [[User:Neier|Neier]] 01:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:Nah - it's probably fine the way it is - they are, after all, a subtype of literature stubs. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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==={{tl|Navarre-stub}} / no cat===
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Unproposed, redlinked category, very small. Spain's tubs are at least partly split by regions but this one may struggle to get close to threshold. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:14 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:I have no count at hand, but Navarre was formerly an independent kingdom. Its borders didn't match those of the the current province, but perhaps we have material relating to the history of this region? [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 10:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:OK, I created the stub because some other [[autonomous communities of Spain]] have their stub template, as [[:Template:Galicia-stub]]. I created a stub [[Parliament of Navarre]] and needed a template... maybe a stupid action. Delete it if you think so. --[[User:Imaglang|Neigel von Teighen]] 11:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Pakistan-sport-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Pakistani sport biography stubs}}===
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Unproposed, but seems a reasonable split and is well-enough formatted, even though the category name is slightly non-standard ("Pakistani sportspeople stubs" is, IIRC, more in line with what we'd normally use). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:I think this template is a much needed one because cricket, being the most popular sport in Pakistan, has its own separate stub template, however, I have not found any Pakistan related stub template which could cover all other sports biographies and I believe there are plenty of Pakistan related sports-bio-stub articles which could really use this template. As far as category name goes, I copied it from another template which I found to be extensively in use. Please correct the category name if you find it odd. Thanks! [[User:Szhaider|Szhaider]] 12:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Afro-stub}} / {{cl|African diaspora stubs}} ===
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The result of the debate was '''take to sfd for rename'''
The work of a WikiProject. Very small and the name reminds me of something else. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 10:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:"''This article related to dodgy hairstyles of the 1970s is a stub...''" Hm. Quite. Certainly if kept it would need a renaming, and, to be honest, I'd say the category is just too vague as well - what humans living anywhere except in Africa are not the result of an African diaspora? This one seem unlikely to well fit in with other stub types. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::The intent is clear, the Africans dispersed due to slave trading and in which describing the prefix "Afro-" is the one usually used, e.g. [[Afro-Ecuadorian people]] and [[Afro-Mexican]] so except for the ambiguity with the hair style its clear enough. Perhaps {{tl|Afro--stub}}? <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer?s whines</small>]] 01:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, by way of contrast with that, Afro-American is no longer used, and African American is now seen as the correct form. And since I can foresee eventual Polynesian diaspora, Jewish diaspora, Scottish diaspora and Chinese diaspora stubs (among others), wouldn't it make more sense to start with a name that can be paralleled with all of these, such as African-diaspora-stub? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::I don't see a viable stub coming from this. Besides, shouldn't we be stubbing by nation, not culutre?--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 21:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll second that one. SFD? [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 00:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|RioGrandeDoSul-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Rio Grande do Sul geography stubs}}===
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Unproposed, and Brazil's geo-stubs do need a split, but... note the upper case D! This should have been at {{tl|RioGrandedoSul-geo-stub}}. Also, there's no guarantee of 60 stubs, so unless there are 60, the category should be upmerged. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Game-theory-stub}} / {{cl|Game theory stubs}}===
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The result of the debate was '''rename to gametheory-stub; allow joint custody under psych stubs, math stubs, and game stubs'''
Never proposed, potentially useful but currently very small 9with no guarantee it would get to required size. Parentage is also troublesome - this is currently listed as a child of {{cl|Economics and finance stubs}}, but Game theory covers a wide range of possible parents, from {{cl|Sociology stubs}} to {{cl|Philosophy stubs}}. Template also should probably be at {{tl|Gametheory-stub}}, since we're unlikely to have lots of parallel X-theory-stub types or any parent {{tl|theory-stub}}. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 03:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
*Pick whatever name you like if the hyphen is a problem. For potential entries, just check [[:Category:Game theory]] or [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Game theory]] ? tons of unmarked short articles from first glance. The parentage is certainly a problem, very few game theory models fit nicely within one or the other academic discipline. Which is why I created it in the first place. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
**I may be biased, but to me, it's a branch of mathematics. Trying to say it fits in one particular applied discipline would be like trying to decide whether calculus belongs to physics, economics, or engineering. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer?s whines</small>]] 05:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
****My bias is obviously different to yours - to me it's a branch of psychology :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
***Well the originating book was called ''[[Theory of Games and Economic Behavior]]'', but that's neither here nor there. Not sure what the point of this exercise is. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 07:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
****Well, if, as seems probable, this is kept (possibly with slightly altered template name) then the category needs to be properly parented. A permcat parent is easy - {{cl|Game theory}}. A stub cat parent is a bit more open to question. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
*****Going by the perm cat's parents, it looks like there are four appropriate parents {{cl|Applied mathematics stubs}}, {{cl|Economics and finance stubs}}, {{cl|Game stubs}}, and {{cl|Psychology stubs}}<span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer?s whines</small>]] 23:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
******Game theory is about as relevant to psychology as it is to comparative religious studies. Let's not get carried away. There are any number of sciences that use game theory, but the two that have a fundamental claim to it are mathematics and economics. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 08:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
*******Um, with due respect, you clearly don't have much knowledge of the study of psychology. game Theory is an extremely important part of many branches of it, most notably behavioural research. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
********I'm pretty comfortable with my knowledge of game theory as a tool in psychology, but I don't think you got my point. In any case, is there a purpose to this discussion? ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 00:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Currently contains 14 items. The permcat {{cl|Game theory}} contains 164 items and several sub-cats. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**'''Update''': Now holds 24 articles. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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===An attacking field of cricket stubs===
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The result of the debate was '''rename cricket-comps-stub, cricket-terms-stub, let the rest lie'''
We've suddenly acquired a [[slip (cricket)|slips cordon]] of stub types relating to cricket:
*{{tl|Cricket-history-stub}} - {{cl|Cricket history stubs}} (28 stubs)
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*{{tl|Cricket-terms-stub}} - {{cl|Cricket terminology stubs}} (badly named template - 30 stubs)
None of these was proposed, two of the templates and one of the categories are incorrectly named, and several of them are woefully small. On the upside, it completely empties {{cl|Cricket stubs}} into subcategories, but that also means that the small ones (in one case fewer than a dozen stubs) have little opportunity for expansion to anywhere close to a reasonable threshold. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:The project page states that stub sorting is important so that articles are more likely to be edited to a higher standard. I believe that the new stubs have taken a large step towards helping those editors with an interest in cricket to find articles which they can improve.
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:I have no objection to you creating permcats for the benefit of readers. But, as I pointed out, stub categories are ''not designed for the benefit of readers'' they re for the benefit of ''editors''.
::''I seem to have been free of this sort of political interference for a few months lately but, sure enough, three times in one week, here we go again. Frankly, I really don't know why I bother.''
:You bother because you care about cricket and you care about Wikipedia. You bother because you have information that you want to share with others. You bother because overall you see Wikipedia as a good thing, even though occasionally you rinun ito other people working on Wikipedia with views different to you. Wikipedia is not anarchy - it has set rules and guidelines. Working within them means that in doing your editing you are not harming the work of others. Your stub categories and templates could well harm the work of many other editors. I can understand why you have made them, but please understand why they are not necessarily the best way to have gone about things. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::Thanks for your comprehensive reply Grutness. I do feel that small stub category sizes are of benefit to me, as an editor. Over at Wikiproject Cricket, I volunteered to "look after" one of these stub categories (Cricket Terminology). I can honestly say that the specificity (is that a word?) and small size of the category encouraged me to do so. So small size does not always discourage editors! I do understand all of your points however, and will leave this project to determine what to do with the stub types. I have decided to copy the cats that interest me to my user space in case you decide to delete. ?[[User:Oliver Brown|Ollie]] <small>([[User talk:Oliver Brown|talk]] ? [[Special:Contributions/Oliver Brown|contribs]])</small> 05:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:The most likely thing - going on past cases - would be keeping the templates and categories for any with above about 40-45 stubs, and keeping the templates for the others but redirecting them back to the main {{cl|Cricket stubs}} until they get to a size where they are a more reasonable size. That would leave the competitions one and putting everything else back in the main cricket stubs cat (which would then have about 100 stubs - hardly a huge problem for finding articles for editing). The competition one's template name will probably be changed, though - since comp is used for computing in stub templates, comps is perhaps a little too close to that for comfort. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
It would appear that the pointless intervention by Grutness into the running of the cricket project has gone nowhere at all and achieved nothing other than to alienate one of the main contributors to the cricket project. Going back to Grutness' original entry above, I do not suppose anyone cares what names the categories are given but I am amazed by the other point which is:
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:*{{tl|Cricket-terms-stub}} - {{cl|Cricket terminology stubs}} (22 stubs)
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==={{tl|Bartending-stub}}===
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We've spoken to Wikkscrlt about stub types for the WP Mixed Drinks before now, but he clearly hasn't fully got it yet. This is... an unusual template, to say the least. Words fail me as to how to describe it, really. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:"Unusual" [[understatement|is not the word]] ... [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 20:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Links to 3 items. I think it should be renamed to "Template:WP Bartending" since (with the documentation) it can be used more like a talk-page template than a stub template. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{tl|Asturias-stub}} / {{cl|Asturias stubs}}===
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::Hmm... well, the only subtype of it there should be at the moment is the geo-stub one, and a lot of places have geo-stub categories but not general stub categories (also, see the note on bio-stubs on the proposal page!). It really does mainly depend on the numbers. if there are 60 or so stubs, there's no real problem with this - fewer than that, and keeping the template but directing it to the larger Spanish stub cat is probably the best way, at least until such time as there ''are'' 60 stubs. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 05:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
::: Yeah, well, I think you have point. If we look at the cold numbers, you're right. There's no real need to upmerge right now, as there aren't so many subtypes. But to have this general category and upmerge the geo-stub one could still be a good idea. --<span family="verdana"> [[User:Ravenloft|<span style="color:#666699">''' ? Ravenloft ?''' </span>]]<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background-color:#6699FF"><sup>[[User talk:Ravenloft|<span style="color:#FFFFCC"> ? (talk) ? </span>]]</sup></span></span></span> 16:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:::: I don't see any reason why {{tl|asturias-geo-stub}} would need to be upmerged, it has enough articles to have own category, and if we decide to keep the generic one, the geography category becomes child of it. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 05:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Plant-disease-stub}} / {{cl|Plant disease stubs}}===
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This one looks moderately useful, despite the lack of proposal - already has some 30 stubs. Could probably do with some better parent stub cats, but other than that, not too bad. May need upmerging if size doesn't increase, but if it's got 30 already, that probably won't be a problem. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 06:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:This was original proposed as a phytopathology-stub but it was decided to call it a plant-disesase-stub, see [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Phytopathology]]
Ah - apologies. I missed that one. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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==={{tl|Home-stub}} / {{cl|Home stubs}}===
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One article, no scope given, not on [[Heroes (TV series)|the list]]. Oops, I mean, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types|the list]].[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 01:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
:Speedied - a re-creation of a previous deletion. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|SNK stubs}}, no template===
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Created for stub articles pertaining to the cvg company [[SNK Playmore]], unproposed & ill-made. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 22:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Currently contains 35 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 17:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|BR-stub}} / {{cl|WPBR stubs}}===
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Originally linking to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bluegrass Region]], I have changed this to link to the [[Bluegrass region]]. Not on the approved list and no link to it from any WP:WSS page. [[User:Mattbr30|mattbr<sup>30</sup>]] 22:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
:I give up - what's that got to do with [[British Rail]]? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
::Nothing. It's obviously about [[White Pine Blister Rust]] instead. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer�s whines</small>]] 02:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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===Un-upmerged New Zealand geo-stub categories===
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seems like someone has supplied the "missing" categories for the upmerged NZ-geo-stub subtypes. One or two of them are close to threshold, but others are nowhere near, especially:
*{{cl|Gisborne, New Zealand geography stubs}} (16 articles, and also misnamed - should be {{cl|Gisborne Region geography stubs}})
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*{{cl|Taranaki geography stubs}} (21 articles)
The others created (for Bay of plenty, Northland and Marlborough) are all of ''reasonable'' size (45+ stubs), though again there are name problems with {{cl|Marlborough, New Zealand geography stubs}} (should be {{cl|Marlborough Region geography stubs}}), but the five above probably need re-upmerging and sfd'ing. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
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**{{cl|Gisborne, New Zealand geography stubs}} (21 articles)
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**{{cl|Hawke's Bay geography stubs}} (31 articles)
**{{cl|Taranaki geography stubs}} (30 articles)
**[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]
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==={{tl|Turkmen SSR-stub}} / {{cl|Turkmen SSR stubs}}===
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Created on Feb. 16 by {{user|Vladimir2008}}. Currently used on 14 politicians. Should probably be merged into {{cl|Turkmenistan stubs}}.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 23:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
:I agree. Not a current country, and even if we did want to keep this, then we'd want to lose the space in the template name. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:Agree. Delete this one and tag with {{tl|Turkmenistan-stub}} and {{tl|Soviet-stub}}. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 00:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Discrimination-stub}} / {{cl|Discrimination stubs}}===
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Unproposed, but potentially useful. Not sure that it would have 60 stubs though. perhaps keep the template but upmerge it into {{cl|Sociology stubs}} (which curently covers discrimination)? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
*Currently links to only 2 articles. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Arena Football League-Stub}} / redlinked cat===
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Nastily named, with gaps and a capital S, so even if kept it would need a severe renaming. I don't know enough about the sport to know whether this would be useful - what say you American Football types? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''Marginal''' [[Arena football]] does not get played in special purpose arenas, so I can't see stubs for those. The team articles, even for defunct teams are mostly past the stub stage, and the players are former regular football players who in most cases will be more notable for that reason than what they did in the AFL. Possibly as an upmerged template for ''arena football'' (so as to also cover the af2 minor league) or ''indoor American football'' to cover all the indoor variants and not just arena football. Another possibility would be to get the newly formed [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Arena Football League|WikiProject Arena Football League]] (6 members) to use a talk page template instead so as to feed articles into {{cl|Stub-class Arena Football League articles}}, {{cl|Start-class Arena Football League articles}}, etc. using the WP 1.0 assessment classes. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer�s whines</small>]] 01:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:: Dammit, let me speak (edit conflicts) as for the past prime NFL players, that is wrong. There are rookies out of college that play directly into the Arena Football League. The stub template was going to be used on '''current''' players with very little information (less than 2 paragraphs). As for the naming, it could be moved I have no objection to that so as long as someone is notified. The stub template is not currently in use in any article. --[[User:Roastytoast|<span style="background:#000080;color:silver">'''ROASTY'''</span>]][[User_talk:Roastytoast|<span style="background:#000080;color:silver">'''TOAST'''</span>]] 02:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I wasn't aware that there were any colleges that played arena football (or any other indoor version) so my comment about AFL players being generally more notable for playing regular American football still stands. Division I football is far more notable than arena football. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer�s whines</small>]] 02:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
::::In a sense football is football. Players can readjust to the different codes. But, pending approval, It would be used on Arena football league related stubs and player bios which qulify as stubs. Plus the arena football league has a patent on some of its rules --[[User:Roastytoast|<span style="background:#000080;color:silver">'''ROASTY'''</span>]][[User_talk:Roastytoast|<span style="background:#000080;color:silver">'''TOAST'''</span>]] 02:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|IT-swimming-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Italy swimming biography stubs}}===
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A new creation (literally, just a few minutes ago), so not populated. Badly named (should be {{tl|Italy-swimming-bio-stub}} and {{cl|Italian swimming biography stubs}}). Never proposed, and given that {{cl|European swimming biography stubs}} has only some 250 articles, I doubt it would reach threshold. At the very least needs a rename - possible needs more than that. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 08:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
: I was not aware about policies regarding the creation of stubs. Sorry.
: This stub will never reach the threshold, it can be deleted at any time. [[User:Marra|Marra]] 12:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Germany-law-stub}} / {{cl|German law stubs}}===
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Unproposed, only one stub, and its logical parent ({{cl|European law stubs}}) only has 140 articles. Unlikely it will get anywhere near threhold at present but may be useful later. Suggest we upmerge the template into both the Euro parent and into {{cl|Germany stubs}} and delete the category. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 06:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now contains 24 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Gospel-music-stub}} / {{cl|Gospel music stubs}} and {{tl|Gospel-album-stub}} / {{cl|Gospel album stubs}}===
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Unproposed, though size may be a problem. One of the categories (the Gospel music one) has no permcat parents and recursion problems - there also seem to be scoping problems with it, since it contains nothing but musicians, which is what a Gospel ''musician'' stub category (not a Gospel ''music'' category) would be for, if we had one. Seems to be a new associated WikiProject. A WP-specific talk-page template may suit them better? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)<BR><BR>
:This stub is related to the Gospel music WikiProject. Several gospel albums and songs are listed in other music genres. Correctly stubbing these articles will assist in maintenance by the WikiProject members.<BR>[[User:Absolon|Absolon S. Kent]] 03:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::Part of my point is that whoever's been populating these ''hasn't'' been stubbing articles properly with it. Several of the articles marked with these templates aren't stubs, and quite a few musicians have been marked as being music-stubs - which they're not - they're musician-stubs. Stubbing is to aid in maintenance by ''all'' Wikipedians, not just individual WikiProjects - if you want something to help maintenance by a specific WikiProject, you'll be far better off using a WP-specific talk-page template. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
*'''Update''': Gospel music stubs now contains 51 items; Gospel album stubs has 37. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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==={{tl|Weightlifting-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Weightlifter stubs}}===
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Unproposed, will possibly struggle to reach threshold (though maybe not). Main problem, though, is the category - the name should be {{cl|Weightlifting biography stubs}} or similar, to make it clear that it includes coaches. Also, one of the permcat parents doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry for the trouble. Is it OK if I fix the problems stated? [[User:CeeGee|CeeGee]] 06:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Not yet - wait iuntil it's been debated to see whether we need it. Then, if we do it will need to go to SFD for renaming. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
:Support wider scope. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 05:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Re-named category {{cl|Weightlifting biography stubs}} contains 130 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Taiwan-tv-stub}} / {{cl|Taiwan television stubs}}===
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Unproposed, not likely to get close to threshold (the parent Asian television stub category has under 120 articles, so the chances of this getting to 60 stubs are remote. Seems pretty well-formed, though. Upmerging is possibly the best option (the parent stub cat has several such upmerged templates). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 05:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Currently used on 49 articles. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 20:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now contains 54 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|China-myth-stub}} / {{cl|Chinese mythology stubs}}===
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Unproposed but possibly useful. Currently has one stub and inadequate parent cats. other than that may be useful (not sure about he numbers, though...) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 05:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:I believe making proposals for stub creation is only a guideline, not an official policy, per [[WP:STUB]]. As such, I think the usefulness of this stub is pretty self-evident. I have added one more category to the stub, and have added the template to more articles. [[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 22:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now contains 77 items. Suggest we '''keep'''. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Weightlifting-stub}} / {{cl|Weightlifting stubs}}===
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Seems that CeeGee didn't learn from the previous non-proposal (about three further up this page)... unproposed, no idea as to whether it will reach threshold - at least this one is properly named. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 05:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now contains 6 articles. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Estonia-band-stub}} (redlinked cat)===
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Unproposed, and I'd say very unlikely to reach 60 stubs. Upmerging could be the best option. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
* Currently only [[Psychoterror|one page]] transcludes the stub, and the [[:Category:Estonian musical groups|permcat]] has < 30 pages. I'd favor SFD and change the one page to {{tl|band-stub}} (Maybe {{tl|Euro-band-stub}} would be a good catchall for various small European countries?) <span style="font-size: x-small;">— [[User:jmorgan|<span style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #8BA69C; background : #002857; text-decoration : none; color : #FFFFFF">jmorgan</span>]] ([[User_talk:jmorgan|talk]])</span> 18:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
** '''Support''' creating {{tl|euro-band-stub}} / {{cl|European musical group stubs}} and upmerging {{tl|Estonia-band-stub}} to that. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 17:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now links to 16 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Idaho-bio-stub}} / redlinked cat===
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Unproposed, and splits bios by subnational region, something strongly discouraged here in the past. A likely sfds candidate, I'd say. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 02:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
* '''SFD''' - Zero transclusions from articles, I'm guessing this was made for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Idaho]]. <span style="font-size: x-small;">— [[User:jmorgan|<span style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #8BA69C; background : #002857; text-decoration : none; color : #FFFFFF">jmorgan</span>]] ([[User_talk:jmorgan|talk]])</span> 18:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:This is not a stub created specifically for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Idaho]]. I am unsure why it was created by the individual who did so. It is not a high priority catagory in my <small>tiny mind</small>. The basic '''Category for Idaho stubs''' is fine. --[[User:Robbiegiles|Robbie Giles]] 13:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::Of note, {{cl|Idaho politician stubs}} has about 80 relevant members (which would not be retagged {{tl|Idaho-bio-stub}}) <
*'''Update''': Links to 2 items. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Belgium-actor-stub}} / {{cl|Belgian actor stubs}}===
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Unproposed, but looks well constructed, and is a logical stub type to have. the one concern is size - if it doesn't get close to 60 stubs then upmerging may be the best solution, but perhaps it needs a "wait and see" for now... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 11:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
* '''Upmerge''' - The [[:Category:Belgian actors|permcat]] and its subcats only have 63 articles total, so the chance of this stub reaching 60 is remote. <span style="font-size: x-small;">— [[User:jmorgan|<span style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #8BA69C; background : #002857; text-decoration : none; color : #FFFFFF">jmorgan</span>]] ([[User_talk:jmorgan|talk]])</span> 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
* '''Upmerge''' - not enough non-stub articles. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 18:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Update''': Now contains 38 items. Suggest we keep as the Films WikiProject is usually pretty diligent at keeping these up. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 21:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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