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The result was '''delete'''__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Consensus is the recently creating article about the building - [[Alcazar (Marseille)]] - should be worked on instead. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
===[[:Alcazar Library arson attack]]===
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:::::The Background & Arson sections, as well as the photo, would be useful for an article about the building. [[User:Jim 2 Michael|Jim 2 Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim 2 Michael|talk]]) 19:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Even the background content about the building is more [[WP:BOLLOCKS]] than fact. The image comes from the fr.Wikipedia page about the building. Facts and citations are distorted. Architectural landmark? yes. Ancient monument? hardly. Biggest library in town is its biggest center ''of research'', of course. Most researched site? distortion of the citation given. The arson content has only a tenuous relation with the facts. There is nothing worth salvaging. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 22:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Agreed. Not worth preserving. If anyone actually wants to create an article about the library, just create a new article with new sources instead of [[WP:BACKWARD]]ing it from this mess. <span style="border:1px solid;padding:2px 6px;font-variant:small-caps">'''〜 [[User:Festucalex|<span style="color:#3cb400">Festucalex</span>]] • [[User talk:Festucalex|<span style="color:#ff007f">talk</span>]]'''</span> 02:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Crime|Crime]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/France|France]]. [[User:Shellwood|Shellwood]] ([[User talk:Shellwood|talk]]) 11:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' without prejudice to creating an article on the building. This event is not notable enough for a page unless the building is independently notable enough for a page on en.wp. If someone translates the page, the [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alcazar_%28Marseille%29&diff=205608842&oldid=205605687 single sentence] added to the fr.wp article about this event seems to be proportionally due weight. [[WP:DUE]], [[WP:10Y]], etc. -- [[User:SashiRolls | SashiRolls]] <sup>[[User_talk:SashiRolls | 🌿 ]] · [[Special:Contributions/SashiRolls| 🍥]]</sup> 17:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
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::It's so easy to search on any social media. Not sure why Breitbart is blacklisted. It's owned by CCP. Aren't we CCP owned now? So should be any MSM corporate owned media until the Smith Mundt Act which allowed propaganda in 2012 in the US is rescinded or replaced.
::It's insanity that there is this much effort to whitewash truth. [[Special:Contributions/173.163.190.30|173.163.190.30]] ([[User talk:173.163.190.30|talk]]) 11:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::The only sources you've posted are a blacklisted site known to be a sensationalist tabloid at best, and deleted tweets. Not exactly persuasive. [[User:TheInsatiableOne|TheInsatiableOne]] ([[User talk:TheInsatiableOne|talk]]) 15:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per the many problems already discussed. [[User:Walt Yoder|Walt Yoder]] ([[User talk:Walt Yoder|talk]]) 02:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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* Surprised the main subject does not have its own English article, the best solution as mentioned above is to AfC from the French translation and then merge this article into that in my opinion. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 03:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The keep votes are mostly all arguing for a completely different article to exist with a completely different name. The delete votes are persuasive. I'm concerned that this AfD has been extended for another week for "clearer consensus" given the problems already observed by the nom and others arguing for deletion. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 04:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete and merge''' Appears to be a solitary incident as part of widespread protests and therefore not not notable for stand alone article. [[User:Jtbobwaysf|Jtbobwaysf]] ([[User talk:Jtbobwaysf|talk]]) 06:53, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I have created a page, [[Alcazar (Marseille)]], translated and sourced entirely from the French article, save one reference to the recent fire which I found myself in Le Monde. The French article tone is a bit off in my view, but for the initial translation I tried to stick to it faithfully to preserve attribution. Copy edits from this point on to make it more encyclopaedic are welcome. Creation of that article does not change my view that this one should be deleted. Nothing in this article can be merged into that one, as anything beyond the one line of text from the French article on the fire is undue, and the history on this page is wrong. Editors might wish to consider redirect as an alternative to deletion, but I oppose that because I don't actually think the subject of "Alcazar Library arson attack" has anything but ephemeral significance. People are not going to be searching for this in the future. Yes, redirects are cheap, but this one is really not necessary. [[User:Sirfurboy|Sirfurboy🏄]] ([[User talk:Sirfurboy|talk]]) 09:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
::Very good, I was going to attempt a translation myself once I returned home only to see it has just been taken care of. Thank you kindly. I completely agree with you that, even though redirects are cheap, this is a case where an outright delete is the better option. And the presence of this article now, as far as I am concerned, voids any concerns about needing to merge the existing page into this or that article. --[[User:Dynamo128|Dynamo128]] ([[User talk:Dynamo128|talk]]) 09:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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