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===[[:Specified complexity]]===

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The result was '''keep'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I see a consensus that this is notable pseudoscience (with sources to demonstrate), and that while the article may need work and careful presentation, the subject is encyclopedic. ^{[[User:ComplexRational|'''<span style="color:#0039a6">Complex</span>''']]}/_{[[User talk:ComplexRational|'''<span style="color:#000000">Rational</span>''']]} 21:21, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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*'''Keep''': Just because an idea is pseudoscience doesn't mean coverage of the topic is not encyclopedic. There's an extensive encyclopedic coverage of things like [[Hermetica]]. The article might be a hoax if it was written credulously, but the text is actually pretty upfront about the non-scientific nature of the topic ([[WP:NHOAX]]). &#12296;&nbsp;[[User:Forbes72|Forbes₇₂]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Forbes72|Talk]]&nbsp;&#12297; 22:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

* '''Keep''' The subject matter being pseudoscientific is not a reason to delete the article. It just means we need to be careful to follow [[WP:FRINGE]]. [[User:Partofthemachine|Partofthemachine]] ([[User talk:Partofthemachine|talk]]) 04:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

*:See also [[WP:NHOAX]]. [[User:Partofthemachine|Partofthemachine]] ([[User talk:Partofthemachine|talk]]) 22:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

* '''Keep.''' I'm not keen on the concept or the people associated with it, but that's beside the point: it has been widely discussed and needs to have an article. [[User:Athel cb|Athel cb]] ([[User talk:Athel cb|talk]]) 08:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' This is a notable pseudoscientific topic. I don't like it. I don't agree with it. I would hope the Wikipedia page for it will remain one that posits it *as* pseudoscience. But there's no grounds to delete.[[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 12:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

*'''Merge''' to [[William Dembski]]. I see no benefit in having a separate article, TBH. [[User:ජපස|jps]] ([[User talk:ජපස|talk]]) 19:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

::See [[wikipedia:Article size#Size guideline]]. Dembski's article is over 90k characters, which says adding another 20k~30k from this article might not be advisable. [[User:Just plain Bill|Just plain Bill]] ([[User talk:Just plain Bill|talk]]) 19:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

:::Oh, I think there is considerable article bloat in both places. [[User:ජපස|jps]] ([[User talk:ජපස|talk]]) 19:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

::::Fair enough. [[User:Just plain Bill|Just plain Bill]] ([[User talk:Just plain Bill|talk]]) 19:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

::::Can you name any specific examples of "considerable article bloat" in this article or in [[William Dembski]]? [[User:Partofthemachine|Partofthemachine]] ([[User talk:Partofthemachine|talk]]) 23:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::Loving documentation of bullshit like [[Specified_complexity#Specificity]] is not really something well attested to in reliable sources. Wikipedia ought to excise such blatherskite. [[User:ජපස|jps]] ([[User talk:ජපස|talk]]) 00:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' for the time being. If later edits shrink it to something smaller, we could consider merging, but that's not a pressing concern. [[User:XOR&#39;easter|XOR&#39;easter]] ([[User talk:XOR&#39;easter|talk]]) 19:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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