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This page (PROSE modeling language) is very incomplete. I just started editing it. I need to upload some personally created image files (Figures). for insertion into it (dealing with copyright issues). Is there a way to create the article offline and then publish it? [[User:Beartham|Beartham]] ([[User talk:Beartham|talk]]) 16:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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It also reads very promotionally, and all of the references appear to lead back to a single website (www.metacalculus.com), and I'm concerned that even meets the standards for notability. This appears to have been a minor language/system in the seventies, which is being used to promote a new commercial(?) product along similar lines. [[User:Rwessel|Rwessel]] ([[User talk:Rwessel|talk]]) 00:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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:This page describes a system that is about 50 years old, and mostly died about 40 years ago. Personally, I would be interested if the code still exists, to try running it on modern hardware, but even that wouldn't make this an advertisement. There might be some descendants that are still being worked on, though. I saw a talk about it 44 years ago, and got to try a few things, but not more than that. [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 23:52, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
== Comments from a user of 39 years ==
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No one seems to remember that Einstein did not solve his equations, he merely interpreted science to formulate them. That was his genius. Someone else invented the methods of solving them. The problem with computer science today is that it puts the cart before the horse. It exalts the method maker and implementer and forgets the modeler. Why has this happened? Because software technology has been all about recycling old code for the last 40 years, removing the need for specifications in the waterfall, bringing autonomy back to IT as a kind of revenge for the DIY movements of FORTRAN and BASIC which flattened the early IT empires. That's why Unix has been balkanized into hundreds of strains (including Linux and Android) and we have a Babel of redundant computer-science languages. Whereas end-user DIY development is dead, except for spreadheets. [[User:Beartham|Beartham]] ([[User talk:Beartham|talk]]) 21:22, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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:I suspect it is the rise of interpreted math/science languages, such as Matlab, Mathematica, and later Python, that made it hard to keep something like this going. Also, the small market that it might have. As I noted earlier, I got to try it out in 1978. [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 20:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
:Note also that, for example, Mathematica allows one to do a symbolic derivative and then output the result in C or Fortran. Not quite as convenient, but good enough much of the time. My TI-92 calculator will do symbolic derivatives, too. In any case, this article is for historical use, and I believe should be kept for that use. It would be fun to run the old code, though. [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 20:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Sorry Qwertyus, we were apparently editing the article at the same time, and I thought I have made an error that caused all that deletion. Ok, you have a point. Would you have any objection if I inserted what you just deleted into this talk page? The issue of the productivity paradox is extremely important. Nobody, AFAIK has ever taken on the issue that its entire cause is the labor-intensity of programming, the lack of automation, and [Anomie] in the division of labor discussed by Durkheim over 100 years ago. [[User:Beartham|Beartham]] ([[User talk:Beartham|talk]]) 19:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
:Ok, no sweat. But talk pages are a discussion space for improving articles; they are [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Maintain Wikipedia policy|not general discussion spaces]]. If you want to publish this material somewhere, you should do it on your own website (or find a publisher). [[User:Qwertyus|Q<small>VVERTYVS</small>]] <small>([[User talk:Qwertyus|hm?]])</small> 19:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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