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== Aram Khachaturian ==

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'''Request:'''

: Please remove the white/grey dots and clean up the small scratches. --[[User:Yerevantsi|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">'''Ե'''</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">րևանցի</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Yerevantsi|^talk]] 20:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''

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== Indian Head eagle ==

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'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{I take|[[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 16:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)}} {{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

:{{ping|ArnoldPlaton}} If you have the original images that went into making this panorama, perhaps I or one of the other Wikigraphists could re-stitch them for you, in order to remove some of the distortion? Regards, '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;">nagual</fontspan>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#ABAB9D;">design</fontspan>]]</span>''' 01:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

::{{ping|Centpacrr}}. Nice work cleaning this one up, however, please don't upload progressive jpegs per [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:JPEG#Progressive_JPEGs this issue]. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 21:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Hohum}}Uploaded new baseline version; previous progressive jpeg had been saved that way inadvertently. I use Photoshop CS5 (Mac) which according [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:JPEG#Progressive_JPEGs '''this'''] apparently has a bug about which I was unaware that defaults automatically to saving files as progressive jpegs. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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==Ralph Vaughan Williams==

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'''Request:'''

*Could you wondrous wizards please remove the commercial watermarks plastered over the image?

*And as I inadvertently uploaded with a woolly file name, could you possibly rename it "Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1954", please? '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0A0A2A;">Tim riley</fontspan>]][[User talk:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#848484;"> talk</fontspan>]]</span>''' 22:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''

:{{Done}}. Sorry, your request to rename the file I forgot unfortunately. Regards, [[User:MagentaGreen|MagentaGreen]] ([[User talk:MagentaGreen|talk]]) 18:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

::It requested renaming as well per your request. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 21:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

:::Thank you very much. Another superb job from the workshop. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0A0A2A;">Tim riley</fontspan>]][[User talk:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#848484;"> talk</fontspan>]]</span>''' 09:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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{{I take|([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 15:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)}}

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::Thanks a lot Hohum. It's perfect. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 18:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

::Nicely done. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;">nagual</fontspan>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#ABAB9D;">design</fontspan>]]</span>''' 01:00, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

:::+2, Agreed! [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 01:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

::::Thank you. My first ever colourisation attempt. Eight colours using layers and masks. Helped a lot by the quality of the main image and that each colour was in a fairly large well defined area. The one below, Maria, was trickier - only six colours, but far more fiddly, and a less satisfying result. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 13:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::I tried doing a few of these for Jaqeli with mixed results. I tried a ton of different techniques and was never really satisfied. Now I see that I was trying too hard to preserve the luminosity of the grayscale layer. You've allowed the colourization to darken the image (conversion of the final colour image back to grayscale would ''not'' match the original grayscale image) but it looks great! '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;">nagual</fontspan>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#ABAB9D;">design</fontspan>]]</span>''' 18:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

{{od}} {{ping|Hohum}} Can you please also crop that white frame from the picture? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 18:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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::This is perfect. Thanks again Hohum. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 14:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Hohum}} Can you please clean and remove that shade Maria has at the right side of her face? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 14:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

::::I have reduced it somewhat. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 16:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Hohum}} Can you please make her face and hair part same as she has on her left side? That shade should be removed as it is way too much there. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 16:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

::::::The main source image has the figure shaded as if lit from one side. I don't think I can make that alteration look correct. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 16:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::::{{ping|Hohum}} That shade is definitely a damaged place from an original picture. Anyways thanks for your help but it would be a way more better if someone could remove that shade on the right place of her face. Because I doubt that is not her hair there but just a damaged black shade which would be better if removed. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 18:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

*I wish this had not been requested or agreed to. You've faked up a nasty 19th-century reproduction with colours from the original. Even though it is a bit battered, in these circumstances we should always use the authentic image, and the new one has no place in Wikipedia. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 23:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

*I agree absolutely with Johnbod. This is a clear misuse of the process. The engraving was not coloured. It is a separate work from the original image. This is a clear falsification of the history of art. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 15:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Paul Barlow|Johnbod}} It's not a falsification. I'm not trying to pass it off as anything other than what was requested, a colourisation. If it's being used in an article about the original artist and being described as their work, that is falsification. If it's being used in an article about the subject of the art, and the article editors want a colour version, and caption it correctly, it clearly isn't falsification. They may want this to provide a better (in their eyes) representation of the subject, to be more eye catching to readers, or whatever, but that us a style/content choice for them - look in the articles affected and make your concerns known there. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 22:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

:::It isn't being used anywhere, pal. I took it out & replaced the original. Don't try to change that. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

:::[[User:Hohum]], there is almost no possible legitimate use of this image. A "cleaned up" version of the original Bibliothèque nationale illumination (itself cropped from a larger image) might be workable, but the combination of the colours from the original with the 19th century engraving creates a new image that appears to be a 19th century chromolithograph, and that is profoundly misleading to viewers. It's not a "new" picture. It's a falsification of two historically locatable images. It doesn't matter of the article editors "want" a colour version, anymore than it would matter if article editors wanted a Rembrandt's [[:File:Rembrandt The Hundred Guilder Print.jpg|Hundred Guilder Print]] to be in colour, or wanted the Mona Lisa to be black. It isn't and she isn't, and this image too is not not in colour. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 12:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

::::Wow. It's as if you didn't read anything I wrote. Sad. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 17:16, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

==The Rev H H Symons==

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: The scanned image is marred by a pattern of small dots. Would it be possible to remove them, please? -- '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0A0A2A;">Tim riley</fontspan>]][[User talk:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#848484;"> talk</fontspan>]]</span>''' 09:37, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 15:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

:Thank you very much, Centpacrr. It's wonderful how you and your colleagues produce fine images from the murky stuff we ask you to deal with. I just hope you realise how grateful we are for this marvellous workshop. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0A0A2A;">Tim riley</fontspan>]][[User talk:Tim riley|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#848484;"> talk</fontspan>]]</span>''' 21:41, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

::Happy to help, sir, and your kind words are much appreciated. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:47, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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Should the surrounding box be kept? ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 22:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, his signature included that box. Please see better version [http://www.archives.gov.ge/uploads/photo/main/1/1330.jpg here]. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 22:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

{{I take|([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 23:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)}}{{Done}}

:{{ping|Hohum}} Thank you. Can you please remove that small grey dot in the middle of the signature? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 23:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

::Done ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 00:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Hohum}} Thanks a lot again. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 12:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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:Personally I think it's fine in it's current state. It's been beautifully restored by Godot13 and personally don't want to replace it with an edited version. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 18:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

::It can be uploaded as a separate image. (Well, it would have to be, since jpg can't have transparency.) ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 21:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I know that! [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 21:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

:{{Done}}--[[User:Carnby|Carnby]] ([[User talk:Carnby|talk]]) 19:19, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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:I'm not sure that I have the right language to word the request - but the image seems overly dark in some places and overly light in others. It would be nice if the images could be enhanced so that they were clearer. If it helps, the links to the original sources for the images is in the commons file definition.

:The article has gone through a major re-write and is now under [[Wikipedia:Good article|Good article]] review and it would be lovely to have the images "not suck" as your Wikipedia ad says! -- [[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">'''''CaroleHenson'''''</fontspan></span>]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson#top|<fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">talk</fontspan>]]) 23:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{I take|[[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)}} {{Done}} Adjusted as requested without damage to the integrity of the original images. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

: Thank you! I've looked at some of the "before" versions of the work that your group has done and I am impressed. Thanks for helping Grandma Moses, she needs it!--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">'''''CaroleHenson'''''</fontspan></span>]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson#top|<fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">talk</fontspan>]]) 23:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

::{{Reply to|Centpacrr}} Oh, I just noticed the "done" mark. I don't know much about it, but I'm not sure I see a difference. Is it possible that the original versions were reposted to commons? Thanks!--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">'''''CaroleHenson'''''</fontspan></span>]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson#top|<fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">talk</fontspan>]]) 23:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

:::You are probably seeing the original versions of the images from your browser's cache. Either empty your browser's cache or try doing a fresh reload of the image page. You can see in the image history that both images I uploaded are of different sizes than the originals. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

::::Ah, that makes sense! Thanks!--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">'''''CaroleHenson'''''</fontspan></span>]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson#top|<fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">talk</fontspan>]]) 00:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::{{Reply to|Centpacrr}} Yes, that was it - and I had the same problem in commons showing the old version - so that's why I was confused. I recycled and then the new image showed up in commons and in Wikipedia, too. Thanks for your work on it!!!

:::::As I said in my edit summary, I had the very same issue today when loading up a new version of File:Great White Herons 1923 Frank Weston Benson.jpg but I knew what the exact differences were in that case and in that case it was resolved with one web page reload. Anyway, sorry about that.--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">'''''CaroleHenson'''''</fontspan></span>]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson#top|<fontspan colorstyle=' "color:#4997D0';">talk</fontspan>]]) 00:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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:: {{done}} In the future, you should bring this sort of request to the [[Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop|Illustration Workshop]]. There are a lot more people familiar with vector graphics over there. :-) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<span style="color:green;">'''MjolnirPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

:::Thank you. No, most of the signatures are requested here and most of the signatures for SVGization were actualy done here so again thanks a lot for your great work. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 15:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

::::I think you may have missed the point, Jaqeli. The Illustration Workshop deals with SVGs/vectorization, the Photography Workshop deals with raster graphics. Posting a vectorization request here might have got you what you want, but it's most definitely in the wrong place and will end up archived in the wrong place too. So pretty please, with a cherry on top... '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;">nagual</fontspan>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#ABAB9D;">design</fontspan>]]</span>''' 19:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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:::::Thank you for your comment MagntaGreen. Both the original monochrome and digitally colorized (and identified as such) versions of the image are now available as separate files which hopefully should address everybody's concerns. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 21:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|Centpacrr}} Please see [http://oi58.tinypic.com/2a9smqg.jpg this]. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 21:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

{{od}}{{Ping|Paul Barlow}} Versions of images that have been colourised here should probably *always* be uploaded as a separate version because it is a major change, and if used in articles, perhaps it should be noted in their caption. i.e. "Colourised version of <original description>". Editors can obviously decide if they want colourised versions in the articles or not, but I don't think it's dishonest to use them, depending on what their utility is. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 21:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

:The file of the original period monochrome photograph is "live" as both an image of its subject and as the photographer's original work of photographic art; the digitally colorized version (identified as such) is also live as a separate file as an ''illustration'' of the subject and that information is disclosed in its caption in the Chavchavadze article's infobox. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 22:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

::I was unclear. Some of the other recent colourisations *have* overwritten the originals. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 22:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

::You misunderstand the issue. This image creates a false impression. It creates the idea in the viewer's mind that it is a Victorian-era colourisation. There is in fact no utility to this image whatever. We all know what European-people's skin looks like, and what greying hair looks like. We have no reason whatever to believe that he was actually wearing a blue jacket. The image serves no purpose whatever than to mislead. If editors don't like the fact that the only photographs of a person are in black and white, so what? They just are. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 12:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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:::A *properly captioned* image should create no false impressions. Overwriting originals with colourisations is not acceptable though. If the image serves no purpose as far as you are concerned, then you won't use it - others may see some utility. If an editor puts in a request here, it's likely to get done unless there is an obvious issue - colourisations, in general, aren't one as far as I am concerned; It seems that you don't think any image should be colourised after some unspecified cut-off date. Again, that's up to you, but it isn't a view I share.

:::I don't trawl around looking for topic bans for editors who make requests here unless their behaviour warrants it, but it does concern me that there is one in this case. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 17:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

::::Images are accessed through "google images" and other search engines. Captions are altered etc. I think it's wrong to ''create'' such images in the first place. It seems to me to be beyond the purpose of an encyclopedia, a form of "original research". I do not know what you mean by "an unspecified cut off date". I don't think photographs should be colourised ''at all'', no. Nor should works of art, whatever their date. Obviously one can only do it to old images anyway, for copyright reasons. But that's a purely legal matter. If one legally could colourise Picasso's ''[[Guernica (painting)]]'', it would still IMO be wrong. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 19:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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:{{Done}} Second one. ([[User:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">'''Hohum'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Hohum|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">^@</fontspan>]]) 14:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

:{{Done}} First one. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 16:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

:{{done}} second version of image #3, available at [[:File:Juan Manuel de Rosas as a child (transparent).png]]. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 20:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)