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::Yes to both, and thank you for the follow-up!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 10:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|EuroCarGT}} Sorry if I'm stepping on your toes here, but you didn't put up an <nowiki>{{I take}}</nowiki> so I went ahead and pulled out a higher res version of the signature. I had an idea on how to do it that I wanted to try out. Again, sorry if I butted in where I wasn't wanted. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} It's okay. Remember this is not a race or some photo editing competition. If you feel like you want to help go ahead! Also we're volunteers just doing what we can to assist each other. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 20:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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== Aram Khachaturian ==
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: Please remove the white/grey dots and clean up the small scratches. --[[User:Yerevantsi|<
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== Indian Head eagle ==
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:Wow, great, thanks! Can we round out the Transparent metal double eagle, or would that be OR?--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 14:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
::I don't think it would be [[WP:OR]], because we're talking about an image, not factual claims. I suppose one could argue that extrapolating out the missing pieces is some sort of [[WP:OR|Synthesis]], but that would be highly spurious. I didn't do so initially because I was trying to preserve the integrity of the image. But as long as the image is illustrating that type of coin, instead of that coin in particular, I don't see any problem with modifying it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::Let me know what you think of it now. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:They're wonderful, thank you so much!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 14:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{I take|[[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 16:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)}} {{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|ArnoldPlaton}} If you have the original images that went into making this panorama, perhaps I or one of the other Wikigraphists could re-stitch them for you, in order to remove some of the distortion? Regards, '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<
::{{ping|Centpacrr}}. Nice work cleaning this one up, however, please don't upload progressive jpegs per [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:JPEG#Progressive_JPEGs this issue]. ([[User:Hohum|<
:::{{ping|Hohum}}Uploaded new baseline version; previous progressive jpeg had been saved that way inadvertently. I use Photoshop CS5 (Mac) which according [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:JPEG#Progressive_JPEGs '''this'''] apparently has a bug about which I was unaware that defaults automatically to saving files as progressive jpegs. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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==Ralph Vaughan Williams==
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*Could you wondrous wizards please remove the commercial watermarks plastered over the image?
*And as I inadvertently uploaded with a woolly file name, could you possibly rename it "Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1954", please? '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
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:{{Done}}. Sorry, your request to rename the file I forgot unfortunately. Regards, [[User:MagentaGreen|MagentaGreen]] ([[User talk:MagentaGreen|talk]]) 18:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
::It requested renaming as well per your request. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 21:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much. Another superb job from the workshop. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
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:{{done}} I also removed the watermark. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::Sorry so late-great, thank you!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 00:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
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::Thank you. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 13:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} Can you please clean a bit around his headwear at the left? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 15:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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::Thanks a lot Hohum. It's perfect. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 18:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
::Nicely done. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<
:::+2, Agreed! [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 01:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Thank you. My first ever colourisation attempt. Eight colours using layers and masks. Helped a lot by the quality of the main image and that each colour was in a fairly large well defined area. The one below, Maria, was trickier - only six colours, but far more fiddly, and a less satisfying result. ([[User:Hohum|<
:::::I tried doing a few of these for Jaqeli with mixed results. I tried a ton of different techniques and was never really satisfied. Now I see that I was trying too hard to preserve the luminosity of the grayscale layer. You've allowed the colourization to darken the image (conversion of the final colour image back to grayscale would ''not'' match the original grayscale image) but it looks great! '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<
{{od}} {{ping|Hohum}} Can you please also crop that white frame from the picture? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 18:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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::This is perfect. Thanks again Hohum. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 14:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Hohum}} Can you please clean and remove that shade Maria has at the right side of her face? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 14:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
::::I have reduced it somewhat. ([[User:Hohum|<
:::::{{ping|Hohum}} Can you please make her face and hair part same as she has on her left side? That shade should be removed as it is way too much there. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 16:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::The main source image has the figure shaded as if lit from one side. I don't think I can make that alteration look correct. ([[User:Hohum|<
:::::::{{ping|Hohum}} That shade is definitely a damaged place from an original picture. Anyways thanks for your help but it would be a way more better if someone could remove that shade on the right place of her face. Because I doubt that is not her hair there but just a damaged black shade which would be better if removed. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 18:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
*I wish this had not been requested or agreed to. You've faked up a nasty 19th-century reproduction with colours from the original. Even though it is a bit battered, in these circumstances we should always use the authentic image, and the new one has no place in Wikipedia. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 23:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
*I agree absolutely with Johnbod. This is a clear misuse of the process. The engraving was not coloured. It is a separate work from the original image. This is a clear falsification of the history of art. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 15:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Paul Barlow|Johnbod}} It's not a falsification. I'm not trying to pass it off as anything other than what was requested, a colourisation. If it's being used in an article about the original artist and being described as their work, that is falsification. If it's being used in an article about the subject of the art, and the article editors want a colour version, and caption it correctly, it clearly isn't falsification. They may want this to provide a better (in their eyes) representation of the subject, to be more eye catching to readers, or whatever, but that us a style/content choice for them - look in the articles affected and make your concerns known there. ([[User:Hohum|<
:::It isn't being used anywhere, pal. I took it out & replaced the original. Don't try to change that. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
:::[[User:Hohum]], there is almost no possible legitimate use of this image. A "cleaned up" version of the original Bibliothèque nationale illumination (itself cropped from a larger image) might be workable, but the combination of the colours from the original with the 19th century engraving creates a new image that appears to be a 19th century chromolithograph, and that is profoundly misleading to viewers. It's not a "new" picture. It's a falsification of two historically locatable images. It doesn't matter of the article editors "want" a colour version, anymore than it would matter if article editors wanted a Rembrandt's [[:File:Rembrandt The Hundred Guilder Print.jpg|Hundred Guilder Print]] to be in colour, or wanted the Mona Lisa to be black. It isn't and she isn't, and this image too is not not in colour. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 12:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Wow. It's as if you didn't read anything I wrote. Sad. ([[User:Hohum|<
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: The scanned image is marred by a pattern of small dots. Would it be possible to remove them, please? -- '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 15:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
:Thank you very much, Centpacrr. It's wonderful how you and your colleagues produce fine images from the murky stuff we ask you to deal with. I just hope you realise how grateful we are for this marvellous workshop. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">[[User:Tim riley|<
::Happy to help, sir, and your kind words are much appreciated. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:47, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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::Yes, his signature included that box. Please see better version [http://www.archives.gov.ge/uploads/photo/main/1/1330.jpg here]. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 22:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Hohum}} Thank you. Can you please remove that small grey dot in the middle of the signature? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 23:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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:::{{ping|Hohum}} Thanks a lot again. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 12:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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:Personally I think it's fine in it's current state. It's been beautifully restored by Godot13 and personally don't want to replace it with an edited version. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 18:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
::It can be uploaded as a separate image. (Well, it would have to be, since jpg can't have transparency.) ([[User:Hohum|<
:::Yeah, I know that! [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 21:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{Done}}--[[User:Carnby|Carnby]] ([[User talk:Carnby|talk]]) 19:19, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} This is perfect. Thanks a lot. Can you please remove that shining behind and around the head of Luarsab? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 19:44, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
:::{{done}} <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::{{Ping|MjolnirPants}} Please crate new files for colourisations; do not overwrite originals. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Pigsonthewing}} I performed the edits as requested. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the person posting the request, or better yet: fix it yourself. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::::No, MjolnirPants, take responsibility for your own actions, and certainly don't ask other people to follow you around clearing up your messes! A colourization should ''never'' overwrite the original; they are different animals. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::What Jonbod said; but furthermore, you were ''not'' asked to replace the original image. I've [[:Commons:Commons:Village pump#Colourising and replacing images|raised this matter on Commons]], too. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Johnbod}}, {{Ping|Pigsonthewing}} Both of you need to read [[WP:CIVIL]] and come back when you have. You will '''never''' get my cooperation the way you are approaching me, and you both should damn well know better than to think you would. Especially when you come here acting as if you are correcting me on some policy violation, when all you are doing is shouting opinions at me. Had you approached me with a level of civility, I would have agreed that the colorized versions should be separate files and been happy to fork them off. Indeed, I '''do''' agree that they should be different files. However, after the way you two have approached me, I have no intention of helping you in any way. So once again: If you have a problem with the way something is, go fix it. Continuing to be rude to me will not accomplish anything more than to convince me that I'm wasting my time by volunteering here. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::::I think it is you who needs to read WP:CIVIL, since nothing John or I have said transgresses it. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Accusing someone of creating a mess and telling them to "take responsibility" for it does not fall under any definition of civility, nor does simply saying that someone is doing something wrong and it should be done a different way. Read [[Wikipedia:Civility#Avoiding_incivility|Avoiding incivility]], where two of the points are that explaining one's self and avoiding being bossy are part of how one remains civil. Had your initial post brought up concerns about the appropriateness of colored images and asked my opinion, or even been a ''request'' for me to fork out colored versions, instead of a demand that I do so, I would have. Instead, you posted a demand that I do things differently (appending "please" to a demand does not make it less of a demand), Johnbod came along and accused me of being irresponsible and creating a mess, and you chimed back in with the claim that I was '''not''' asked to colorize the images, but rather to create new, colored versions (despite the fact that the request was simply to colorize that image). There's nothing civil about that. Following is an example of how this could have gone down:
:::::::*'''You:''' I'm not sure it's appropriate to colorize these images. MjolnirPants, do you think you could fork out the colored versions of these requests until this matter is resolved?
:::::::*'''Me:''' No problem.
:::::::I'm sure you think that's not how I would have actually responded, but you are wrong. I have had no involvement in this issue beyond being asked to colorize an image, and then being criticized for doing so. If you can work up consensus for a "no colorizing images' policy, I would be happy to abide by it. I would even vote in favor of it, as the concerns expressed below in [[#Ilia Chavchavadze]] are valid in my opinion. However, when you come here without a policy in hand and insist I do things a certain way, then point to discussions you have had with others (including one user who is supposedly retired) '''after''' the fact (without ever making an effort to include me in that discussion) as the reason for this, you are not making efforts to change how something is being done, but rather making efforts to engender a conflict between the two of us. Finally, simply telling you how I will react under certain circumstances does not constitute incivility on my part. My initial response to you may have bordered on incivility in that I never explained why I won't cooperate, but you now have that explanation. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::::::::I'm sure Andy and Johnbod could have been more polite. Perhaps they should have added a smiley face or something, but not being "polite" is not a personal attack by wikipedia's definition. So invoking that was wrong. Alternatively, you could have been a whole lot defensive and touchy. What you did was clearly wrong. Replacing an historically authentic image with a colourised one should never happen. Personally, I think unspeakable images such as [[:File:Mary Eristavi (crop) colorized.jpg|this]] should never happen ''at all''. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 14:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::1) It is quite possible (see above and your own post) to be uncivil without engaging in personal attacks, I never accused anyone of engaging in personal attacks, and [[WP:CIVIL]] is about civility, not just personal attacks.
::::::::::2) Telling me I am "clearly wrong" to tell people that I will not respond to demands and rudeness is ridiculous. It also accomplishes nothing but broadening the conflict.
::::::::::3) I am not responsible for that example image you gave, nor is that example even of a replaced image. The original is [[:File:Mary Eristavi (crop).jpg|right here]], and it is linked in the description of the image you posted. Additionally, I am not responsible for making '''any''' of the colorization requests, nor am I responsible for fulfilling '''all''' of them. Even in those cases where I have taken a request, I took it and fulfilled it in good faith, while assuming good faith on the part of the requester. For you to attempt to blame me because you feel the request should never have been made is highly ridiculous.
::::::::::Finally, I've already explained that I will not be harangued into doing anything. This argument is counterproductive and I'm through with it. For the last time: If you have a problem with the way I handled the requests, go ahead and fix it yourself. That's all I have to say on the matter and I'll not be drawn any further into this sort of tripe nonsense. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::::::::::'''You''' are personally responsible for all the images you make and alter. It is quite understandable that other editors get angry when they read self-justifications like that. You cannot avoid responsibility by presenting yourself as some mere technician who is 'just obeying orders'. I linked the Mary Eristavi image as an example of the kind of image that should ''never'' be made in the first place. I didn't know who'd made it, but I see that you ''were'' responsible for the recent update of it: [[:File:Mary Eristavi (color2).png]], which is just as bad IMO. I still see not 'incivility' by Wikipedia's definition. Of course I know that the quite beautiful original b+w photograph exists. Creating the coloured abomination serves no more purpose other than creating a coloured-in version of a Julia Margaret Cameron photograph. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 16:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure that I have the right language to word the request - but the image seems overly dark in some places and overly light in others. It would be nice if the images could be enhanced so that they were clearer. If it helps, the links to the original sources for the images is in the commons file definition.
:The article has gone through a major re-write and is now under [[Wikipedia:Good article|Good article]] review and it would be lovely to have the images "not suck" as your Wikipedia ad says! -- [[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{I take|[[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)}} {{Done}} Adjusted as requested without damage to the integrity of the original images. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
: Thank you! I've looked at some of the "before" versions of the work that your group has done and I am impressed. Thanks for helping Grandma Moses, she needs it!--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><
::{{Reply to|Centpacrr}} Oh, I just noticed the "done" mark. I don't know much about it, but I'm not sure I see a difference. Is it possible that the original versions were reposted to commons? Thanks!--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><
:::You are probably seeing the original versions of the images from your browser's cache. Either empty your browser's cache or try doing a fresh reload of the image page. You can see in the image history that both images I uploaded are of different sizes than the originals. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Ah, that makes sense! Thanks!--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><
:::::{{Reply to|Centpacrr}} Yes, that was it - and I had the same problem in commons showing the old version - so that's why I was confused. I recycled and then the new image showed up in commons and in Wikipedia, too. Thanks for your work on it!!!
:::::As I said in my edit summary, I had the very same issue today when loading up a new version of File:Great White Herons 1923 Frank Weston Benson.jpg but I knew what the exact differences were in that case and in that case it was resolved with one web page reload. Anyway, sorry about that.--[[User:CaroleHenson|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD;'><
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:::Thanks a lot for your great work. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 11:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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:: {{done}} In the future, you should bring this sort of request to the [[Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop|Illustration Workshop]]. There are a lot more people familiar with vector graphics over there. :-) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::Thank you. No, most of the signatures are requested here and most of the signatures for SVGization were actualy done here so again thanks a lot for your great work. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 15:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::::I think you may have missed the point, Jaqeli. The Illustration Workshop deals with SVGs/vectorization, the Photography Workshop deals with raster graphics. Posting a vectorization request here might have got you what you want, but it's most definitely in the wrong place and will end up archived in the wrong place too. So pretty please, with a cherry on top... '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<
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::Yes please if you can. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 16:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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::::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} Thanks a lot. It is great. Can you please make the crown and the handle of sword with more golden color? [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 14:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::I bumped the saturation levels on the crown and sword hilt. That's actually making it ''less'' golden, because gold doesn't show very saturated colors, but if it looks better, it looks better. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::::::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} Thank you for you great work again. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 14:57, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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: This picture could quite possibly be the most dramatic picture of the Armenian Genocide. I have nominated it for FP awhile back, and I want to nominate it again. The nomination, unfortunately, did not go through (see: [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Armenian_mother]]). You can see why people have opposed it there and make initial improvements accordingly. I would really love if we can improve it to bring it up to FP quality. If you want to work with the original file, here's the [http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3a48241/ link] to the LOC page. I'd say, the .tiff is the best file to work on in this case. Perhaps we can make it large enough for FP while retaining its quality? That'll be ideal. Also, I'll greatly appreciate it if you can upload the alternates through different files. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks in advance, [[User:EtienneDolet|Étienne Dolet]] ([[User talk:EtienneDolet|talk]]) 18:00, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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:{{i take}} I've got some ideas on how to work this image that I think will yield spectacular results. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::{{done}} Tell me what you think of it now. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
:::My my my...what a wonderful job. The power and emotion emanating from this photograph has been lifted to new levels. I can't thank you enough {{u|MjolnirPants}}. I shall nominate it to FP either today or tomorrow. [[User:EtienneDolet|Étienne Dolet]] ([[User talk:EtienneDolet|talk]]) 06:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
::::If you're happy with the results, could you please mark this request as resolved? Thanks so much. :) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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:::::Thank you for your comment MagntaGreen. Both the original monochrome and digitally colorized (and identified as such) versions of the image are now available as separate files which hopefully should address everybody's concerns. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 21:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Centpacrr}} Please see [http://oi58.tinypic.com/2a9smqg.jpg this]. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 21:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
{{od}}{{Ping|Paul Barlow}} Versions of images that have been colourised here should probably *always* be uploaded as a separate version because it is a major change, and if used in articles, perhaps it should be noted in their caption. i.e. "Colourised version of <original description>". Editors can obviously decide if they want colourised versions in the articles or not, but I don't think it's dishonest to use them, depending on what their utility is. ([[User:Hohum|<
:The file of the original period monochrome photograph is "live" as both an image of its subject and as the photographer's original work of photographic art; the digitally colorized version (identified as such) is also live as a separate file as an ''illustration'' of the subject and that information is disclosed in its caption in the Chavchavadze article's infobox. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 22:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
::I was unclear. Some of the other recent colourisations *have* overwritten the originals. ([[User:Hohum|<
::You misunderstand the issue. This image creates a false impression. It creates the idea in the viewer's mind that it is a Victorian-era colourisation. There is in fact no utility to this image whatever. We all know what European-people's skin looks like, and what greying hair looks like. We have no reason whatever to believe that he was actually wearing a blue jacket. The image serves no purpose whatever than to mislead. If editors don't like the fact that the only photographs of a person are in black and white, so what? They just are. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 12:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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:::A *properly captioned* image should create no false impressions. Overwriting originals with colourisations is not acceptable though. If the image serves no purpose as far as you are concerned, then you won't use it - others may see some utility. If an editor puts in a request here, it's likely to get done unless there is an obvious issue - colourisations, in general, aren't one as far as I am concerned; It seems that you don't think any image should be colourised after some unspecified cut-off date. Again, that's up to you, but it isn't a view I share.
:::I don't trawl around looking for topic bans for editors who make requests here unless their behaviour warrants it, but it does concern me that there is one in this case. ([[User:Hohum|<
::::Images are accessed through "google images" and other search engines. Captions are altered etc. I think it's wrong to ''create'' such images in the first place. It seems to me to be beyond the purpose of an encyclopedia, a form of "original research". I do not know what you mean by "an unspecified cut off date". I don't think photographs should be colourised ''at all'', no. Nor should works of art, whatever their date. Obviously one can only do it to old images anyway, for copyright reasons. But that's a purely legal matter. If one legally could colourise Picasso's ''[[Guernica (painting)]]'', it would still IMO be wrong. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] ([[User talk:Paul Barlow|talk]]) 19:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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: I scaled it up, cropped it, tweaked the levels to try to bring out some of the details and got rid of the compression distortion. Let me know what you think. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::That's worlds better, thank you!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 15:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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:{{i take}} Do you want the background removed and a .png made of it? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::Either way. This one looks great, thank you!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 15:22, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank Centpacrr. He/she's the one who actually made the changes. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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:{{done}} I also scaled it back up just a tad, so it is still the same width. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
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:{{Done}} Second one. ([[User:Hohum|<
:{{Done}} First one. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 16:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{done}} second version of image #3, available at [[:File:Juan Manuel de Rosas as a child (transparent).png]]. [[User:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:cyan">'''///Euro'''</span><span style="color:grey">'''Car'''</span>]][[User talk:EuroCarGT|<span style="color:orange">'''GT'''</span>]] 20:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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:{{done}} <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<
::Thank you. [[User talk:Jaqeli|Jaqeli]] 21:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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