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:b) I think you will find what you want under "Editing mode". [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 21:04, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

:: Can I ask you to simply acknowledge that the phrasing is easily interpretable as: "you can disable the visual editor... for now, but we aren't making any promises you will be able to keep doing so later on (thus removing your ability to use the wikitext editor unless manually chosen every time)!" Also, can I ask you to please stop addressing me as some lost user asking for personal help? I am here to improve the article, i.e. how to opt out of the Visual Editor. While I am sure it helps newcomers, many editors avoid it and just wish for a set of preferences where they can keep using Wikipedia ''as if the Visual Editor didn't exist''. So my participation in this discussion specifically targets this rather reasonable concern. Currently, however, the questions a+b aren't satisfactorily and exhaustively answered in my opinion. If you have special insight that can help, your assistance is gratefully accepted [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]]! So let me ask what does the "it" in a) mean? (What might eventually be removed?) [[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 22:10, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

:::I think that this page should be marked with [[Template:Historical]] and ignored. The visual editor was built before the [[mw:Beta Features]] system; at the time, opting out of any new software difficult. This page averages less than one page view per day, and it's only been linked to in one (1) discussion since 2013 (it was a request to update the page, not an editor looking to hide the visual editor's buttons).

:::As to your recent edits: There are ways to disable the visual editor. For example, you can go to "Editing mode" in your preferences and click the button that says to only show the tab for a wikitext editor. You can turn off Javascript in your browser, which will disable the visual editor (and lots of other things, but some editors prefer that). You can write your own .css file to hide the buttons for the visual editor.

:::Are these permanent? That depends upon which definition of "permanent" we're using. It's possible, for example, that if you write a .css line to hide the button, then the button's label might some day get changed, and you'd have to update your .css file to hide the new button. That approach will permanently hide the existing button, but it won't hide all possible future iterations of that button. (Notice that I said this is "possible"; I do not say that it is "likely". The circumstance most likely to trigger this would be a decision to rename all the buttons in the tabs at the top of the page.) Similarly, since software has a life cycle that is shorter than most humans', it's likely that the current visual editor will some day get replaced by some other visual editor; in that case, turning off the current one is not necessarily a guarantee that future versions would be turned off for you. And even a prefs setting that explicitly says "Permanently disable the visual editor" is not a guarantee of permanence, because prefs settings are regularly changed, and several are removed each year.

:::What I'd like to understand is: Why is this important to you? Are you having significant problems right now? If you're having problems, I'd be happy to report your problems to the team and see if they can improve them. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

::::Oh, I forgot to answer your other question: In "they believed that it might eventually be removed", the word "it" refers to the prefs setting. The antecedent is "that specific prefs entry in the database". [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

{{od}}

Never mind, you don't want to answer, discussion over.

[[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 19:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

== Updated for curiousity ==

I updated for curiosity the article. If my editing is wrong, please revert, because I am bad in software science. [[User:PoetVeches|PoetVeches]] ([[User talk:PoetVeches|talk]]) 20:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)