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==== Category:Journalism by genre ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Journalism by genre]] to [[:Category:Types of journalism]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Unclear what the difference between a type and a genre is in journalism. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Support'''. (same response as on [[:Category:Journalism genres]] CfD) Looking at [[:Category:Categories by genre]], everything else there is primarily a form of art. And the dictionary agrees the usage of genre is for forms of art. Not that journalism doesn't involve creativity - but art isn't its primary function. There is no clear distinction between type and genre here. So that supports the merge. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 19:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Cannot see a meaningful difference. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 08:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. ''Pace'' [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]], it ''can'' be helpful to split articles from sub-cats, e.g. we recently separated [[:Category:Architecture by style]] from [[:Category:Architectural styles]], see [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_15#Category:Architectural_styles]]. However, it is more often liable to be confusing and achieve nothing useful. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 09:50, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Journalism genres ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Journalism genres]] to [[:Category:Types of journalism]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Hard to see a distinction. No definition offered for either category. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Support'''. Looking at [[:Category:Categories by genre]], everything else there is primarily a form of art. And the dictionary agrees the usage of genre is for forms of art. Not that journalism doesn't involve creativity - but art isn't its primary function. There is no clear distinction between type and genre here. So that supports the merge. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 19:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Cannot see a meaningful difference. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 08:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as above. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 09:50, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Philippine web media ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Philippine web media]] to [[:Category:Philippine websites]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' We dont have any other categories along the lines of "Fooish web media" as far as I know. Not clear how web media differ from websites. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Methodist church buildings ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Methodist congregations established in the 19th century]] to [[:Category:19th-century Methodist church buildings]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Methodist congregations established in the 20th century]] to [[:Category:20th-century Methodist church buildings]]
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* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 16:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' (without opposing) - Local churches do sometimes rebuild their buildings, for example because the church has grown. I cannot think of cases to which this applies, but [[Carrs Lane Church, Birmingham]] occupies a 1960s building, but the local church was originally established in 1748. Great care is needed with this series of mergers and renames. It is currently categorised as "Churches completed in 1971". [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:32, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
:'''Reply''' If the original building is substantially extant, then I don't see a problem. Otherwise it would be a member of [[:Category:Former Methodist churches]]. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 13:45, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': these two are part of a hierarchy, [[:Category:Protestant congregations by century of establishment]], created (by a now-retired editor) in 2009. In 2015 I added the parent [[:Category:Christian congregations by century of establishment]] which also covers Catholic and Oriental Orthodox. I am not questioning the merits of this nomination, as I have not examined the contents of the categories. However, please note that if sibling categories for other denominations may be treated likewise, it will again be necessary first to inspect their contents. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Buddhist scientists ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Buddhist scientists}}<br />
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Buddhist social scientists}}<br />
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*'''delete''' per nom. EGRS is clear. Let's not get into the habit of sorting every profession by religion without good reason.--[[User:Namiba|TM]] 22:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
::Very well. I'd like to point out that this problem does seem to follow for the other categories, as not all articles included are particularly relevant to the intersection of scientific occupation and religious affiliation (Jewish, either as a religion or ethnicity, seems to provide little weight on many of the persons listed). Although I would argue that one's religious affiliation may indeed play a role in performance of any area, as the ethics prescribed by a tradition may serve as inspiration for the person in question (Both Buddhism and Judaism, as far as I'm aware, encourage intellectual pursuits, which may serve as inspiration for an especially devout person). If an article includes this sort of information, it should remain relevant to the intersection. Perhaps some clean-up is in order. --[[User:Invokingvajras|Invokingvajras]]<sup>([[User talk:Invokingvajras|talk]])</sup> 20:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Lists of UK MPs 2017– ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Renamed''' following clear precedent, 2010-2015, 2015-2017. The only hesitations were in regard to the dissolution of parliament which has now happened. [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 11:33, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Lists of UK MPs 2017–]] to [[:Category:Lists of UK MPs 2017–2019]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' These lists cover the duration of the Parliament, which is being dissolved next week ahead of the [[2019 United Kingdom general election]]. Thus the final and permanent name for the category should be "Lists of UK MPs 2017–2019". [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup> [[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]] [[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 17:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support '''- also [[:Category:UK MPs 2017–]] and a stubs cat. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 01:12, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- Since the Dissolution is the result of a special Act of Parliament, this is appropriate. Normally, it would be premature until the dissolution has actually occurred. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Chulalongkorn family ====
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==== Category:Category:People educated at Ysgol Aberconwy ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Category:People educated at Ysgol Aberconwy}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' category with a single article that is unlikely to be expanded. [[User:Tknifton|Tknifton]] ([[User talk:Tknifton|talk]]) 13:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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* [[User:Oculi]] is obviously correct in their oppose against this particular nomination. At the same time I wonder in general if we should categorize people by secondary school. Especially biography articles often suffer from far too much category clutter, we should somehow reduce that. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' -- Almost every secondary school is allowed its alumni category. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Primary source digital libraries ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Primary source digital libraries}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Completely undefined. Only 3 articles, all concerned with religious texts, but all in [[:Category: American digital libraries]] [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 08:44, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
* '''<s>Weak </s>support''', to a certain extent I can buy that this is a 'thing', but probably nobody is going to find the category under this name, it is not a recognizable term nor do I know any better recognizable term. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
*What do you think it means? [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 08:01, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
:* Online repository of original historical documents. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Weak keep''' - I created this category, admittedly without going to the effort to fully populate it. I thought it would be a useful subcategory of [[:Category:Digital libraries]], which currently has 1873 entries according to [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/ PetScan]. I wanted to distinguish between digital libraries comprised of primary sources like Wikisource, [[Project Gutenberg]], etc. vs. those that contain new books and original content, eg. [[:Category:Full text scholarly online databases]]. These seem like fairly different kinds of libraries. I don't see the "better categories" that {{u|Rathfelder}} refers to. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
:* Your understanding of its meaning seems to be the opposite of [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]]'s. I dont think it works under this name. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 22:46, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
::* I am striking "weak" in my original "weak support" based on this follow-up discussion. Agree with nominator that it does not work this way. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Maharashtra MLAs 2014– ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:46, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Maharashtra MLAs 2014–]] to [[:Category:Maharashtra MLAs 2014–2019]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The [[2019 Maharashtra Legislative Assembly election]] is concluding, so the 2014 session is set to end. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラ]][[User talk:Miraclepine|P]] 19:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Rename''' per nominator. The [[2019 Maharashtra Legislative Assembly election]] was held on 21 October 2019, so the previous term is clearly over. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Simplified languages ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''reorganize''' per Marcocapelle. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Simplified languages]] to [[:Category:Controlled natural languages]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Both categories have the same amount of articles, have the same meaning, etc. --[[User:Soumya-8974|Soumyabrata]] ([[User talk:Soumya-8974|talk]] • [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Soumya-8974|subpages]]) 15:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' Marco's suggestion. Simplified languages are a subset of controlled natural languages. <span style="font-weight: bold">[[User:Fiamh|Fiamh]] <sup>([[User talk:Fiamh|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Fiamh|contribs]])</sup></span> 23:54, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Radio ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''nomination withdrawn'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 17:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Radio]] to [[:Category:Radio broadcasting]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The category text and the parent categories make clear that this is specifically for broadcasting, but this category gets lots of things placed in it such as [[:Category:Radio astronomy]]. After any rename further tidying up (possibly including renaming [[:Category:Wireless]] or creating a more general Category:Radio) could be done. Renaming some of the subcategories could also be considered. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 07:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
::Withdrawing CFD per comments below. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 16:55, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''why not''' just create a sub-category called [[:Category:Radio broadcasting]] and move the broadcasting subcats and articles to it and leave the [[:Category:Radio]] as the parent of the new category while still retaining the radio non-broadcasting subcats and articles in it? [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 18:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
::I wouldn't object to that. However, what would then be the difference between [[:Category:Wireless]] and Category:Radio? <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 19:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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:: Great question. The terms “wireless” and “radio” have historically meant the same thing, but British use the former and Americans the latter. More recently, “wireless” has been universally applied to describe modern digital technologies like WiFi and mobile devices. - [[User:LuckyLouie|LuckyLouie]] ([[User talk:LuckyLouie|talk]]) 23:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
*: The articles on [[radio]] and [[wireless]] show there's enough overlap for both to be subcategories of [[:Category:Telecommunications]] but enough difference not to merge them. Radio has specific meaning to usage of the electromagnetic spectrum between 30Hz to the lower boundary of light at 300GHz. Wireless has a lot of colloquial uses related to not having wires. Specifically wireless can include light (i.e. infrared, laser, etc) and near-field communication which are not radio. Just about any "wireless X" category could be a subcategory or within the category tree under Wireless, influenced by the heavy weight of existing usage. Both categories should rely on their main articles for their definitions. It's OK for something to be categorized under both, such as cell phones. Both are big topics - wireless would almost certainly need to be marked with {{tl|category diffuse}}, and maybe radio too. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 05:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''oppose''' as nominated; support my suggestion above of creating [[:Category:Radio broadcasting]], which I did not actually state my 'vote'. This is not a double vote. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 16:36, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Unknown origin craters ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Unknown origin craters}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT|small category]] and [[WP:OCMISC|miscellaneous category]]. This is not eligible for speedy deletion because I already emptied it out of process while cleaning up various categories into impact, volcanic or explosion craters, which avoids recurring confusion around unspecified "craters". See also the [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_August_22#Category:Craters|2009 mass-renaming CfR of crater-related categories]] which I was the nominator for, which was the first time this kind of crater category cleanup was done. (Do I need to write an essay on categorization of craters?) [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 05:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''', possibly '''listify'''. A category isn't really needed (and if it were needed, it should be at a less cringeworthy title like "Craters of unknown origin"). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 15:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': FYI a first draft of the requested essay is at [[User:Ikluft/essay/Categorization of craters]] - discussion for that will be at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geology#Crater_categorization_essay]] or the essay's talk page. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 11:33, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:Craters]] as [[WP:OCMISC]], but [[WP:TROUT]] the nominator for merging [[:Category:Craters]] to [[:Category:Depressions (geology)]] out-of-process. I have reverted the latter changes. A parent category for craters is used in many other Wikipedias, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8954664 , and should not be discontinued here without discussion. Craters of different origins still have enough in common with each other to be separated from e.g. rifts, basins and valleys. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
*: You can have your [[WP:TROUT]] back because [[:Category:Craters]] is a re-created category that was previously deleted in process per [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_August_22#Category:Craters|2009 mass-renaming CfR of crater-related categories]] - if it isn't deleted again, it needs to be a disambiguation, which requires it be empty to use {{tl|Category disambiguation}}, which rules out a merge up to it. The other Wikimedia sites that use miscellaneous craters categories will be worked on one at a time - we're working on reducing that confusion here now. The confusion caused by "crater" categories that don't include the type of crater in their title is real and recurring - see my new draft [[User:Ikluft/essay/Categorization_of_craters]] (to be moved to WikiProject Geology as suggested by other editors) which came as a result of this latest round of cleanup. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 19:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
:::FYI since you mentioned it, Commons is the next place this cleanup will go after this CfD completes. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 20:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
:::: The 2009 CFR was a decision to rename all the impact crater categories from "craters" to "impact craters", which was implemented. That consensus does not rule out re-creating or re-using [[:Category:Craters]] as a parent of {{cat|Impact craters}} and the other types of craters. Also, why should the craters of unknown type such as [[Patomskiy crater]] not be categorised in [[:Category:Craters]]? It is [[WP:DEFINING]] that it is a crater, and the article [[Eden Patera]] likewise refers to "the crater", but you have currently removed them from the hierarchy altogether. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 22:25, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
::::: I understand you're trying to act in [[WP:AGF|good faith]] but you are actually promoting confusion from a point of misinterpretation. Of the articles you listed, [[Patomskiy crater]] uses the term crater colloquially; but of its 2 references, one speculates about UFOs and the other says a meteoric origin was disproven, leading to questions whether the article even qualifies for [[WP:N]]. [[Eden Patera]] is satisfactorily categorized in [[:Category:Surface features of Mars]] until reliable sources sort out if it's from volcanic or impact origin. The article called [[crater]] is a disambiguation page, leaving no official [[WP:DEFINING]] characteristic for the category to stand on, except also as a disambiguation. The English dictionary ([https://www.dictionary.com/browse/crater?s=t], [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crater]) only supports impact, volcanic and explosion craters. ''Anything else is not a crater.'' Please stop promoting the recurring confusion over this topic. It has been solved already and needs to not re-emerge. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 01:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
::::: One benefit to result from this discussion - I took this to indicate the question will easily resurface if not answered plainly up front, and added the dictionary definition of a crater, requiring it be caused by some kind of explosion, to the [[User:Ikluft/essay/Categorization_of_craters|"Categorization_of_craters" essay]]. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 21:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Subsidence craters ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:49, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Subsidence craters}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]] and insignificant subset of [[:Category:explosion craters]]. This is not eligible for speedy deletion because I already emptied it out of process while cleaning up various categories into impact, volcanic or explosion craters, which avoids recurring confusion around unspecified "craters". See also the [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_August_22#Category:Craters|2009 mass-renaming CfR of crater-related categories]] which I was the nominator for, which was the first time this kind of crater category cleanup was done. (Do I need to write an essay on categorization of craters?) [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 04:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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** ''Fair question''. Digging through my edits from a couple weeks ago... It had [[subsidence crater]] (main article for the category) and [[Darvaza gas crater]], both recategorized under [[:Category:depressions (geology)]]. The article mentions nuclear test craters which were not in the category when I found it, and would belong under [[:Category:explosion craters]] if recategorized at all. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 16:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': FYI a first draft of the requested essay is at [[User:Ikluft/essay/Categorization of craters]] - discussion for that will be at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geology#Crater_categorization_essay]] or the essay's talk page. [[User:Ikluft|Ikluft]] ([[User talk:Ikluft|talk]]) 11:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as well. That's not enough stuff to justify a category. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 02:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Motorsports portals ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:46, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Motorsports portals]] to [[:Category:Sports and games portals]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. Contains only one page: [[Portal:Formula One]]. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 02:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 07:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Cricket portals ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Cricket portals]] to [[:Category:Sports and games portals]] and [[:Category:Cricket]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. Contains only one page: [[Portal:Cricket]]. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 02:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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*: Oh, yes. I forgot to check that. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
:::You're right here, SMcC. [[:Category:Cricket]] added to the nom as a merge target. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 15:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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