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{{infobox television | show_name = NBA on CBS
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| image = [[Image:1746308024.jpg|190px|The NBA on CBS logo]]
:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page. ''
| format = [[Sports]]
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| runtime = 150 minutes+
| starring = [[Brent Musburger]]<br/>[[Dick Stockton]]<br/>[[Tommy Heinsohn]]<br/>[[Hubie Brown]]<br/>[[Pat O'Brien (television)|Pat O'Brien]]
| country = {{USA}}
| network = [[CBS]] (1973&ndash;)
| first_aired = [[1973-74 NBA season|1973]]
| last_aired = [[1989-90 NBA season|1990]]
}}
 
The '''''NBA on CBS''''' was a weekly presentation of [[National Basketball Association]] games on [[CBS Sports]]. The ''NBA on CBS'' ran from the [[1973-74 NBA season|1973-1974 NBA season]] (when CBS succeeded [[ABC Sports]] as the official American television broadcaster of the NBA) until the [[1989-90 NBA season|1989-1990 NBA season]] (when CBS was succeeded by [[NBC Sports]]). From [[1986-87 NBA season|1986]] to its final year in [[1989-90 NBA season|1990]], CBS paid about [[United States dollar|$]]47 million per year for their NBA coverage.
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==Tape delay and playoff scheduling==
The result was '''Delete'''. <b>[[User:Deiz|<FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">zio</FONT>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:Deiz|talk]]</small> 10:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
From [[1974-75 NBA season|1975]]-[[1978-79 NBA season|1979]] CBS aired all [[NBA Finals]] games [[Live television|live]] (usually during the afternoon). Starting in [[1981-82 NBA season|1982]], CBS resumed live coverage of all NBA Finals games. During this era, CBS aired weeknight playoff games from earlier rounds on [[Tape delay (broadcasting)|tape delay]] at 11:30 p.m. [[North American Eastern Standard Time Zone|Eastern Time]] (airing games live when the game site was in the [[Pacific Standard Time Zone|Pacific Time Zone]]). CBS continued this practice until at least the mid-1980s.
 
===[[Youkaimura]]Scheduling===
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5,100 Google hits, NO Alexa rank. In no way notable. '''Delete'''. [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 00:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
|+'''CBS scheduling tote boards'''
|width="35" | '''Game'''
|width="35" |'''Day'''
|width="50" |'''Date'''
|width="120" |'''Status'''
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|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" colspan="4"| '''1979 NBA Final'''
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 1
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 20]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 2
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Thu.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 24]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Tape Delay
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 3
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 27]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 4
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Tue.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 29]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live to EDT/[[Central Daylight Time Zone|CDT]], Tape Delay to [[Mountain Time Zone|MDT]]/PDT (11:30 p.m. EDT start)
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 5
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Fri.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[June 1]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live (9 p.m. EDT start)
|-
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" colspan="4"| '''1980 Eastern Conference Final'''
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 1
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Fri.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 18]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |No broadcast
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 2
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 20]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 3
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Wed.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 23]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |No broadcast
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 4
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Thu.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 24]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |No broadcast
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 5
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 27]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" colspan="4"| '''1980 Western Conference Final'''
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 1
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Tue.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 22]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |No broadcast
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 2
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Wed.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 23]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live to EDT/CDT, Tape Delay elsewhere
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 3
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Fri.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 25]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live to EDT/CDT, Tape Delay elsewhere
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 4
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 27]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 5
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Wed.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[April 30]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live to EDT/CDT, Tape Delay elsewhere
|-
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" colspan="4"| '''1980 NBA Final'''
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" |1
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 4]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 2
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Wed.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 7]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live to EDT/CDT, Tape Delay elsewhere
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 3
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sat.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 10]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 4
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Sun.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 11]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 5
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Wed.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 14]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Live to EDT/CDT, Tape Delay elsewhere
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:center;line-height:110%" | 6
|style="background:#efefef;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" | Fri.
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |[[May 16]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%" |Affiliates had choice to show live or tape delay
|}
 
===1979===
:Doesn't appear to be notable. Delete. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]''' ([[User_talk:Andrevan|talk]]) 00:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
In [[1978-79 NBA season|1979]], Games 2 and 5 of the Eastern Conference Final were televised live, while Game 7 was broadcast on tape delay. Games 3 and 6 of the Western Conference Final aired live, while Games 2, 5 and 7 were televised via tape delay. Games 6 and 7 of the [[1979 NBA Finals]] would have been televised live (at 3:30 p.m. on a Sunday and then 9:00 p.m. on the following Tuesday), but were unnecessary.
*'''Delete''' Yet another article about some random web site... --[[User:Llama man|<b><span style="border:1px solid #157;color:#549;background:#abc"> The<span style="background:#def">Great<span style="background:#fe3">Llama</span></span></span></b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Llama man|speak to the Llama!]])</sup> 00:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 
===1980===
'''Delete''' Changed to delete. You all convinced me. I wasn't aware of the Alexa ranking, or the reasons why websites are listed on wikipedia. I only know that I learned something interesting from reading the article, and others who are interested in the subject matter would also learn something, which I thought was enough to warrent an entry. [[User:MightyAtom|MightyAtom]] 00:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
By [[1979-80 NBA season|1979-1980]], CBS' NBA [[Nielsen Ratings|ratings]] had bottomed. CBS felt that wasn't worth it to them to pre-empt their Friday night lineup (the smash hit ''[[Dallas (TV series)|Dallas]]'' in particular) during May [[Nielsen Ratings#.22Sweeps.22|sweeps]] to show an NBA Finals game. The consensus was that a basketball game in [[prime time]] would have drawn fewer viewers. As a result, CBS used to regularly run NBA games in the 11:30 [[p.m.]] time slot (then occupied by ''[[The CBS Late Movie]]''). For the [[1980 NBA Finals|1980]] and [[1981 NBA Finals]], CBS scheduled Games 3 and 4 on back-to-back days (Saturday and Sunday) to avoid an extra tape delay game. When it came time for CBS to broadcast Game 6 (on Friday, [[May 16]]) of the 1980 Finals, they gave their affiliates the option of either airing the game live or on tape delay. If the affiliate choice to air the game later that night, then [[prime time]] viewing would consist of reruns of ''[[The Incredible Hulk (1978 TV series)|The Incredible Hulk]]'', ''[[The Dukes of Hazzard]]'', and ''Dallas''.
:That's not logic to keep. People are interested in Mario, should Tatanga get an article? If this site is give an article because people are interested in the subject matter, then that opens the floodgates to say that any site about youkais is notable because people are interested in the subject matter. People were interested in the article about [[Bizarre Uprising]], a webcomic that used to have an article, but it failed its second AfD despite having around 300k Alexa Traffic Rank. That is not logic to keep, and it should not be given an article for the sole reason that a handful of people want an article on the subject - rather, it should not be given one because the cold hard facts say beyond any shadow of a doubt that it is not appropriate on Wikipedia. Alexa and Google are commonly used in factoring a site's notability on Wikipedia, and both paint a clear picture that it is not that big of a web site. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 01:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
<s>:Wouldn't that be [[WP:CRUFT|cruft]]? [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 03:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
:Argument was changed. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 05:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
::Tatanga? Cruft is not a reason to delete, this is a fact htat is constantly stated. Cruft is an argument, just like the fact that this site does not warrant an article. Under your logic, Tatanga deserves an article, as do every single insignificant character in the Mario universe. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 04:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' spamvertisement. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 03:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[Yōkai]] and/or [[Obake]]. Just because something doesn't warrant its own article, doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned or briefly covered in Wikipedia. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 09:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Japan|list of Japan-related deletions]]. </small> <small>-- [[User:Inte.d|Inte.d]] 08:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)</small>
* '''Delete''' per nom. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</span> 09:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Per [[WP:SPAM]] and [[WP:WEB]], any site with no alexa rank should be removed from the encyclopaedia.. [[User:MichaelBillington|Michael Billington]] ([[User talk:MichaelBillington|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MichaelBillington|contribs]]) 11:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' Even though wikipedia is not paper ans has plenty of space we need to put a lid on the addition of non-notable websites. Take a look at [[WP:WEB]] [[User:Localzuk|Localzuk]]<sup>[[User talk:Localzuk|(talk)]]</sup> 12:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
* I do not think this article should be deleted. It's not a spamvertisement, it's actually quite the opposite. It has extensive information about the flaws of this website and the controversy there. The only reasons this article was even filed for deletion was because the website's creator didn't want the article posted because he didn't like what it was saying about it; he accused the article of being slanderous and a violation of his copyright, neither of which are valid claims. Please do not delete this article. Shikino 17:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:*The only reason? That's funny, I seem to recall nominating it with the argument that it's not notable on the basis that it does not pass two of the biggest tests of notability. Additionally, you yourself admit that there is extensive coverage of the flaws of the site. But this is the only way any of the site's content is discussed, through the controversy section. This is most certainly not a case of NPOV; if it were, you would not be so focused on the criticism section (your focus giving power to the argument that you are using this to attack the site). If you were not biased as Hushicho says, then you would have added sections about the article's content. There can not be a controversy section before there is any actual content. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 19:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
::How is it non-notable? With that article, I could say half of the articles on Wikipedia are non-notable. This is a major debate in the online Japanese folklore community. And the article '''is''' NPOV. It does actually discuss the site's content. Did you even read the article? It even veers toward the positive side at the beginning, when discussing the site's history. Plus, this isn't a question of negativity or positivity. It's a question of fact. Factuality, I think, should be the main question in a discussion of whether or not to delete the article. The fact that the main question here is "notability" (who decides what's notable or not, by the way?) is unbelievable to me. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a celebrity magazine. Of course, that's just my opinion. Shikino 01:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::It's unbelievable to you that we draw the line about what should be? So basically, it doesn't matter that it has next to know notaiblity and thusly doesn't deserve to be on Wikipedia, as long as it's factual? And the positivity of the article is a blurb compared to the controversy section, which is more or less the only content of the article and the only way content of the site is dicussed is discussing how it's controversial. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 03:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::{{cquote2|Yeah, I know. He only wants it removed because it tells the truth about his website, in a visible place where he can't overrule facts. Shikino 16:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)}}
:::You did a good job showing that you are NPOV, since you clearly refer to what the criticism of the website says as the truth and fact. In fact, the fact that you clearly show dislike towards this site makes me question why you would even want it to have an article. In fact, you yourself was the one who created this article, and are the one who inserted any mention of controversy in the first place. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I never tried to hide that I wrote the majority (if not all) of the article. As for the criticism of the website, it is fact. And it is fact that is easily proven and well-documented. Saying that a fact is a fact doesn't mean I'm not NPOV. I've never condemned the website or even said anything slightly disparaging about it. On the contrary, I've repeatedly stated my opinions concerning its right to exist. I'm a bit mystified that this argument has anything to do with NPOV. I thought (although I admit I could be wrong) that Wikipedia was an encyclopedia that prided itself on things like completeness and factuality (although factuality is something that can be easily changed, I'd have thought that it would be valued by those who run it). As for why I want the article, I believe the nonfactual aspect of this website should be known; this is why the article '''is''' notable, because Youkaimura is a major issue in the online aspect of Japanese folklore. The "information" there is frequently presented as fact in places online where people might not be as immersed in Japanese folklore and can't tell what's real and what's made up. As I've repeatedly said elsewhere, folklore is folklore. It's an area of study, and is not anything similar to the genre of fantasy where "anything goes" is the rule of thumb. The vital importance of factuality in the field of folklore studies, specifically Japanese folklore, is why I believe this article is both necessary and notable. Personally, I think importance should trump popularity, which is why I think some random internet rating is irrelevant in this case. Shikino 23:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::So you created the article for the sake of putting up a criticism section? Odd, what you have stated contradicts this! So it would seem that you were lying. And you're right - since this article is not important, it should be deleted. Anyhow, one of the editors that has contributed to the criticism section is also a member of the forum sourced. As I see it, Youkaimura has never referred to itself as an academic resource. And from what I've seen, members of the cited forum have harrassed and threatened members of the Youkaimura forum, which - as you would guess it - invalidates them as a source, because they are naturally biased against the web site. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 23:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Man, this is so ridiculous it's not even funny. I never lied about anything. And please, if you're going to be making decisions on deleting an article, please bother to do some homework. You said, "I see it, Youkaimura has never referred to itself as an academic resource." Well, you're wrong. The owner has repeatedly claimed this; in fact, he's gone as far as to say that he's the best source, and that all other academic sources on the subject are flawed and/or poorly researched. A claim which is easily disproved if you bother to look into the subject at all. And as for harrassing and threatening, this is another claim which you'd do well to put a minutia of research into before believing it. The forum in question hasn't harrassed Youkaimura; on the contrary, it's the dictatorial owner of Youkaimura that's thrown most of the people on the forum in question out of Youkaimura simply for questioning the factuality of his content. If anyone's the perpetrator of harrassment, it's the owner of Youkaimura. Anyway, so, basically what you're saying is that Japanese folklore is unimportant. As I've said that this article is important to Japanese folklore and you've said in reply that it's therefore unimportant, that's pretty much what you're saying. Well, if Japanese folklore is unimportant, then anime is twice as unimportant. Looks like I'll have my work cut out for me nominating some anime and video game articles for deletion. This is such bullshit it's not even funny. Shikino 18:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::You know why I say it's unimportant? Well, why don't you go the extra mile and ask why I think the sky is blue? It is an undeniable fact that this website has no place on Wikipedia. It is not even covered by Alexa, and it has very few Google hits. You've stated that the only reason you want this article is to inform people that the site is incorrect. The sole reason you wish for this article to exist, as you have stated, is so that you can give a POV. If the website's content were correct, would you then want it deleted? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]
::::::::So you're hung up on the POV thing, when I keep telling you it's not a POV. It's fact. Or, wait. Maybe the difference between a true POV and pure, unbiased fact is that it's only "fact" if no one thinks it is! That's you're logic. To use your example, "the sky being blue" is fact. But if I make a Wikipedia article about the sky, and say in this hypothetical article that the sky is blue, it automatically becomes POV, and thus worth deletion on those grounds (nevermind, for the moment, the issue of notability). I restate what I've been saying all along: Folklore is folklore, there's no "anything goes" in folklore. Folklore inaccuracies can easily be researched and disproved as NON FACT. That doesn't mean there's POV involved, just because someone believes something that happens to be true, to be true. On the issue of notability, I give you the message the IP "213.172.234.208" posted below. To say this article is non-notable, given its notability within the field of Japanese folklore, is to say that Japanese folklore is non-notable. I notice you keep dodging that issue. If this article is to be deleted, I'd say you have to delete the entire Japanese mythology project in order to be consistent. Shikino 01:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 23:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::Shikino: It's not even ranked on Alexa, which is a typical notability measurement, and it has only 5,100 Google hits. See [[WP:WEB]] for notability guidelines. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]''' ([[User_talk:Andrevan|talk]]) 06:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' completely non notable [[User:Funky Monkey|<font style="background: #CC9900" face="Ariel" color="#FFFFFF">'''&nbsp;Funky Monkey&nbsp;'''</font>]][[User talk:Funky Monkey|<font style="background:#CD00CD" face="Ariel" color="#FFFFFF">'''&nbsp;(talk)&nbsp;'''</font>]] 21:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 
===Later years===
[[Image:Cbsnba.jpg|right|thumb|CBS' time/score graphic during a late-[[1980s|eighties]] regular season game.]]
The NBA responded to CBS' actions by moving the regular season later, resulting in the NBA Finals ending after sweeps ended (the NBA had experimented in [[1979-80 NBA season|1979-1980]] and [[1980-81 NBA season|1980-1981]] with ending the regular season at the end of March, thereby ensuring that the Finals were played in early to mid-May; starting in [[1981-82 NBA season|1981-1982]], a late April regular season finale was held, resulting in the finals starting in late May and stretching into June). While CBS would stop using tape delay after the [[1981 NBA Finals]], many first round playoff games were not nationally televised (a practice that didn't begin until [[1995 NBA Playoffs|1995]]). During this era, CBS typically provided regional coverage of two games in a late Sunday afternoon time slot during the first three weekends of the playoffs. In [[1989 NBA Playoffs|1989]] alone, only 13 of the 24 Games 1-3 in Round 1 appeared on [[NBA on TBS|TBS]] or [[CBS]]. For example, none of the four games from the [[Seattle SuperSonics|Seattle]]-[[Houston Rockets|Houston]] first round series appeared on national television.
 
Another interesting fact is that Game 5 of the [[1989 NBA Playoffs|1989 playoff series]] between [[Chicago Bulls|Chicago]] and [[Cleveland Cavaliers|Cleveland]] (featuring [[Michael Jordan]]'s now famous game winning, last second [[The Shot|shot]] over [[Craig Ehlo]]) wasn't nationally televised. For instance, CBS affiliates in [[List of television stations in Virginia|Virginia]] elected to show the first game of a second round series between Seattle and the [[Los Angeles Lakers|Lakers]]. Meanwhile, many CBS affiliates on the [[West Coast of the United States|West Coast]] such as [[KCBS-TV|Los Angeles]] and [[KPIX-TV|San Francisco]] got a chance to see at least a portion of the Chicago-Cleveland game. In Los Angeles, the hometown Lakers finished their game (started at the same time as the Chicago-Cleveland game) just in time for CBS to switch to Chicago-Cleveland, where as it happened Jordan made his game winner. The [[Portland Oregonian]] criticized CBS for its decision to show the Game 1 of the second round Seattle-Lakers series in [[KOIN|Portland]] rather than that game. Further, CBS only broadcast the fifth game of the first round series between [[Atlanta Hawks|Atlanta]] and [[Milwaukee Bucks|Milwaukee]] nationally. The nationally televised Atlanta-Milwaukee game went on the air at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time while the regionally televised Chicago-Cleveland and Seattle/L.A. Lakers games went on the air at 3:30 p.m. Eastern Time. Perhaps even more confusing, both Game 5 sites (Chicago at [[Coliseum at Richfield|Cleveland]] and Atlanta at [[Omni Coliseum|Atlanta]]) were in the [[Coliseum at Richfield|Eastern Time Zone]], so differing local start times were not a factor. Previously, CBS aired Game 2 of the Chicago-Cleveland series nationally while relegating Game 2 of the Atlanta-Milwaukee series to TBS. CBS used its number one announcing team, [[Dick Stockton]] and [[Hubie Brown]] to call that game.
Just an opinion from a non-wikipedian enthusiast for Japanese folklore. While the point about non-notability may be completely valid, there is one thing most of you are failing to see. Internet sites in English centering on Japanese folklore are a very rare find. So, while in the larger scheme of things, this site might actually be non-notable and irrelevant, it is certainly not such through the optic of Japanese folklore research. Me, I had to find out the hard way that the site in question is at times slightly inacurate, and at times ridiculously flawed. And even if this might seem like a low blow, some of the wikipedians in the Japanese mythology group have had the same problem - see the talk page for [[kamaitachi]], for instance.
 
==Resurgence of the NBA==
So, eventhough my opinion doesn't count towards the ballot, I'd recomend to at least keep the article in it's original, short version - i.e. before the vandalism and the desperate attempts to remedy that turned into the article it is now. It could help a serious enthusiast like myself save some time in the future. [[User:213.172.234.208|213.172.234.208]] 17:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Popular belief holds that the peak era of the ''NBA on CBS'' occurred from [[1983-84 NBA season|1984]] to [[1986-87 NBA season|1987]]. During this period, CBS' NBA coverage was the beneficiary of a new era in the league that would forever link two of the game's greatest players, [[Larry Bird]] and [[Magic Johnson]]. Bird and Johnson entered the NBA (coming off of playing against each other in the highest [[Nielsen Ratings|rated]] [[1979 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament#Final Four|NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship]] of all time), playing for the [[Boston Celtics]] and [[Los Angeles Lakers]], respectively. The [[Los Angeles Lakers|Lakers]] and [[Boston Celtics|Celtics]], two iconic teams in large television markets, rose to prominence during the period; many credit the theatrics of Bird and Johnson to boosting the overall popularity of the NBA (especially during the tape delay era of NBA telecasts). Within three years of Johnson and Bird entering the league, the NBA had a weekly ''Game of the Week'' on CBS, and [[Nielsen Ratings|ratings]] for Finals games approached [[World Series]] levels.
:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 00:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Meaning what? I always thought the "pedia" part of Wikipedia was for "encyclopedia". Maybe I'm wrong. I'm starting to doubt that initial interpretation. So if Wikipedia isn't an "indiscriminate" collection of information, then what is it? A collection of information judged relevant by those in charge? Shikino 01:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:::A discriminate collection of information. The users, admins and non-admins, decide what's acceptable for Wikipedia. You were expecting that every single subject in the universe would get an article here? Please. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 01:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::::At first I was just simply gonna put down my view and leave it at that. But you, sir, are starting to sound rude. I believe there was some rule or other about a certain level of civility here? I gave my view as to why I don't think this article should be considered "an indiscriminate addition to Wikipedia". I gave an example of how the website in discussion can be misleading even to people that, unlike me, are regular contributors in the Japanese Mythology Project. Do you seriously believe your response was anywhere near the level of my civil display of opinion? And please, don't think I am a sockpuppet or anything. I'm not. I am, as I said, a bystander, somebody with an interest in the subject matter, who noticed this discussion and felt compelled to add his two cents. After all, that's what Wikipedia is about, isn't it? People with a particular knowledge and insight sharing it with those without? [[User:213.172.246.121|213.172.246.121]] 07:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Random passerby? Pretty random - your only activity on Wikipedia seems to be responding to this AfD. Regardless, Wikipedia is not about educating people about everything. We try to limit it to less than every possible article that could exist. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 07:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 
Prior to the Bird/Magic era, CBS used to televise approximately five to seven games regionally per week in a doubleheader format (1:45 p.m. and 4 p.m. [[North American Eastern Standard Time Zone|ET]]) on Sundays. [[Nielsen Ratings|ratings]] for regional were far outdrawn by [[NBC Sports|NBC's]] [[college basketball]] coverage and [[ESPN on ABC|ABC]]'s ''[[Superstars]]'' program. After ratings bottomed out in [[1979-80 NBA season|1980]] and [[1980-81 NBA season|1981]], coinciding with CBS airing tape delayed coverage, the network decided to scrap the regional telecasts. In its place CBS sold the marquee players and teams (i.e. ''[[Julius Erving]] and the [[Philadelphia 76ers]]'', ''[[Larry Bird]] and the [[Boston Celtics]]'', ''[[Magic Johnson]] and the [[Los Angeles Lakers]]'', etc.) for a "''Game of the Week''" broadcast.
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==Announcers==
===Brent Musburger===
The most familiar voice to NBA fans during the seventeen years of the ''NBA on CBS'' was [[Brent Musburger]]. Musburger was involved in every NBA Final (either as a play-by-play man or as a host) from [[1975 NBA Finals|1975]] to [[1989 NBA Finals|1989]], and was the lead voice for NBA games on CBS for much of that period. From [[1975-76 NBA season|1975]] to [[1979-80 NBA season|1980]], Musburger worked with a variety of [[Color commentator|analysts]] for regular season games (including [[Billy Cunningham]], [[Mendy Rudolph]], [[Rod Hundley]], [[Oscar Robertson]], [[Steve Jones (basketball)|Steve Jones]], [[Tom Heinsohn]], and [[Rick Barry]]). The most memorable game Musburger called was Game 5 of the [[1976 NBA Finals]] (arguably, the greatest game in NBA history), with [[Rick Barry]] and sideline reporters [[Mendy Rudolph]] and [[Sonny Hill]]. In [[1988-89 NBA season|1989]], he and [[Bill Raftery]] were the number two team on [[1989 NBA Playoffs|playoff games]], working the [[NBA Conference Finals#Conference Finals 2|Western Conference Final]] games that were broadcast on CBS. In [[2004 NBA Playoffs|2004]], Musburger and Raftery worked NBA playoff games on [[NBA on ESPN|ESPN]].
 
===Dick Stockton===
[[Dick Stockton]] was the lead voice of the ''NBA on CBS'' from [[1981-82 NBA season|1981]] to [[1989-90 NBA season|1990]]. After CBS failed in an attempt to compete with the [[NBC Sports|NBC]] [[college basketball]] announcing team of [[Dick Enberg]], [[Billy Packer]] and [[Al McGuire]] with [[Gary Bender]], [[Rick Barry]] and [[Bill Russell]], Stockton became the voice of the NBA. Working with [[Tom Heinsohn]] (who was criticized by the media and viewers for being too biased to the [[Boston Celtics]], a team he once played for and later coached) from [[1983-84 NBA season|1983]] to [[1986-87 NBA season|1987]], Stockton called some of the most memorable NBA Finals in league history. In [[1984 NBA Finals|1984]], [[1985 NBA Finals|1985]] and [[1987 NBA Finals|1987]], the [[Los Angeles Lakers]] and [[Boston Celtics]] played each other in the NBA Finals, and Stockton's broadcasts became the then-highest [[Nielsen Ratings|rated]] in NBA history. Stockton would call the NBA Finals through the rest of the [[1980s]] and in [[1990 NBA Finals|1990]] as well, working the [[1988 NBA Finals]] with [[Billy Cunningham]] and the [[1989 NBA Finals|1989]] and [[1990 NBA Finals]] with [[Hubie Brown]] (after Cunningham left [[CBS Sports]] to accept a management job with the new [[Miami Heat]]).
 
===Other personalities===
CBS employed many NBA greats during its seventeen years as the lead network carrier; [[Bill Russell]] was an analyst for several years, mainly in the [[1970s]] and early 1980s. [[Elgin Baylor]] was an analyst during CBS' inaugural year in [[1973-74 NBA season|1973-1974]], and was fired during that year's playoffs due to what CBS considered a lackluster performance. He was replaced by another NBA great, [[Rick Barry]], who held a fairly consistent role with CBS through the 1970s and early 1980s, including calling several NBA Finals. [[Steve Jones (basketball)|Steve "Snapper" Jones]], best known from the ''[[NBA on NBC]]'', was part of CBS' broadcast teams, partnering with [[Don Criqui]] in [[1975-76 NBA season|1975-1976]] and [[1976-77 NBA season|1976-1977]].
 
During Game 5 of the [[1981 NBA Finals]], CBS analyst [[Rick Barry]] made this comment when CBS posted an old photo of colleague [[Bill Russell]]'s on the [[Basketball at the 1956 Summer Olympics|1956 Olympic team]]:
 
{{cquote|''Who’s the guy in the back row with the big watermelon smile?''<ref>[http://www.flakmag.com/sports/cook040614.html Kick Out the Sports!]</ref><ref>[http://www.barstoolsports.com/article/sportscasters_gone_wild/434/ Sportscasters Gone Wild]</ref>}}
 
Barry's comments were considered to be racially insensitive (Bill Russell is [[African American]]) and CBS did not renew Barry for the [[1981-82 NBA season|subsequent season]].
 
CBS often used the same analysts for both the [[NBA Playoffs]] and [[NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship|NCAA Tournament]]. [[Tom Heinsohn]], [[Billy Cunningham]], and [[Hubie Brown]] all worked NCAA Regionals during years when also serving as the lead NBA analyst for CBS. [[Billy Packer]] worked NBA playoff games in [[1987 NBA Playoffs|1987]] and [[1988 NBA Playoffs|1988]] while he was the CBS' lead college basketball analyst.
 
While [[Brent Musburger]] did host most of CBS' NBA Finals pregame and halftime programs, [[Pat O'Brien (television)|Pat O'Brien]] hosted a pregame show during the earlier rounds of the playoffs called ''The Basketball Show''. O'Brien, working with analyst [[Bill Raftery]], also hosted the ''The [[Prudential Financial|Prudential]] At The Half''. When Musburger left CBS Sports in [[1990#April|April 1990]], O'Brien took over the [[1990 NBA Finals|NBA Finals]] (the last that CBS did) hosting duties full-time. In [[1989 NBA Finals|1989]], Pat O'Brien filled-in for Brent Musburger (who was busy covering the [[1989 College World Series|College World Series]] for CBS) as the NBA Finals anchor for Game 2.
 
===List of broadcasters===
{{details|List of NBA Finals broadcasters}}
[[Image:Musburgernbacbs.jpg|left|thumb|[[Brent Musburger]], prior to Game 7 of the [[1988 NBA Finals]].]]
{| width=75%
|- valign ="top"
|width=20%|
*[[Elgin Baylor]]
*[[Gary Bender]]
*[[Rick Barry]]
*[[Tim Brant]]
*[[Hubie Brown]]
*[[James Brown (TV personality)|James Brown]]
*[[Quinn Buckner]]
*[[Wayne Cody]]
*[[Doug Collins]]
*[[Bob Costas]]
*[[Don Criqui]]
*[[Irv Cross]]
*[[Billy Cunningham]]
|width=20%|
*[[Terry Dischinger]]
*[[Eddie Doucette]]
*[[Len Elmore]]
*[[Keith Erickson]]
*[[Frank Glieber]]
*[[Jim Gray (sportscaster)|Jim Gray]]
*[[Jerry Gross]]
*[[Greg Gumbel]]
*[[John Havlicek]]
*[[Tom Heinsohn]]
*[[Sonny Hill]]
*[[Rod Hundley]]
*[[Steve Jones (basketball)|Steve "Snapper" Jones]]
|width=20%|
*[[Sonny Jurgensen]]
*[[Jim Karvellas]]
*[[Jim Kelly (sportscaster)|Jim Kelly]]
*[[Stu Lantz]]
*[[Kevin Loughery]]
*[[Verne Lundquist]]
*[[Pete Maravich]]
*[[Jon McGlocklin]]
*[[Brent Musburger]]
*[[Andy Musser]]
*[[Jim Nantz]]
*[[Pat O'Brien (television)|Pat O'Brien]]
*[[Billy Packer]]
*[[Bill Raftery]]
|width=20%|
*[[Cal Ramsey]]
*[[Oscar Robertson]]
*[[Mendy Rudolph]]
*[[Bill Russell (basketball)|Bill Russell]]
*[[Cazzie Russell]]
*[[Tim Ryan (sportscaster)|Tim Ryan]]
*[[Lynn Shackelford]]
*[[Larry Steele]]
*[[Dick Stockton]]
*[[Pat Summerall]]
*[[Lesley Visser]]
*[[Jerry West]]
*[[Lenny Wilkens]]
|}
 
===Announcing teams===
{| class="wikitable" align="right"
|+'''CBS NBA Final announcers'''
|'''Year'''
|'''Play-by-Play'''
|'''Color'''
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19891990.html 1990]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Hubie Brown]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19881989.html 1989]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Hubie Brown]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19871988.html 1988]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Billy Cunningham]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19861987.html 1987]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Tom Heinsohn]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19851986.html 1986]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Tom Heinsohn]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19841985.html 1985]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Tom Heinsohn]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19831984.html 1984]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Tom Heinsohn]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19821983.html 1983]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Bill Russell (basketball)|Bill Russell]] and [[Kevin Loughery]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19811982.html 1982]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Dick Stockton]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Bill Russell (basketball)|Bill Russell]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19801981.html 1981]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Gary Bender]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Bill Russell (basketball)|Bill Russell]] and [[Rick Barry]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19791980.html 1980]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Brent Musburger]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Rod Hundley]] and [[Bill Russell (basketball)|Bill Russell]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19781979.html 1979]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Brent Musburger]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Rick Barry]] and [[Rod Hundley]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19771978.html 1978]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Brent Musburger]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Rick Barry]] and [[John Havlicek]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19761977.html 1977]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Brent Musburger]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Rick Barry]] and [[Steve Jones (basketball)|Steve Jones]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19751976.html 1976]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Brent Musburger]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Mendy Rudolph]] and [[Rick Barry]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19741975.html 1975]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Brent Musburger]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Oscar Robertson]]
|-
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19731974.html 1974]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Pat Summerall]]
|style="background:#F9F9F9;font-size:11px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:110%"|[[Rick Barry]] and [[Rod Hundley]]
|}
 
{| width=60%
|- valign ="top"
|width=20%|
====[[1983-84 NBA season|1983-1984]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Brent Musburger]] and [[Kevin Loughery]]
#[[Gary Bender]] and [[Doug Collins]]
#[[Frank Glieber]] and [[James Brown (TV personality)|James Brown]]
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====[[1984-85 NBA season|1984-1985]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Brent Musburger]] and [[Hubie Brown]]
#[[Gary Bender]] and [[Doug Collins]]
#[[Frank Glieber]] and [[James Brown (TV personality)|James Brown]]<ref>Frank Glieber died of a heart attack after the second weekend of the playoffs and was replaced by [[Verne Lundquist]].</ref>
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====[[1985-86 NBA season|1985-1986]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Brent Musburger]] and [[Billy Cunningham]]
#[[Gary Bender]] and [[Hubie Brown]]
#[[Jim Nantz]] and [[Doug Collins]]
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====[[1986-87 NBA season|1986-1987]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Brent Musburger]] and [[Billy Cunningham]]
#[[Verne Lundquist]] and [[Hubie Brown]]
#[[Tim Brant]] and [[Billy Packer]]
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====[[1987-88 NBA season|1987-1988]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Billy Cunningham]]
#[[Brent Musburger]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Verne Lundquist]] and [[Hubie Brown]]
#[[Tim Brant]] and [[Billy Packer]]
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====[[1988-89 NBA season|1988-1989]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Hubie Brown]]
#[[Brent Musburger]] and [[Bill Raftery]]
#[[Verne Lundquist]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Greg Gumbel]] and [[Quinn Buckner]]
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====[[1989-90 NBA season|1989-1990]]====
#[[Dick Stockton]] and [[Hubie Brown]]
#[[Verne Lundquist]] and [[Len Elmore]]<ref>Verne Lundquist and Len Elmore worked Game 7 of the [[Chicago Bulls]]-[[Detroit Pistons]] [[NBA Conference Finals|Eastern Conference Final]].</ref>
#[[James Brown (TV personality)|James Brown]] and [[Tom Heinsohn]]
#[[Greg Gumbel]] and [[Quinn Buckner]]
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==[[Theme music]]==
{{main|National_Basketball_Association_music#CBS_Sports}}
Through the [[1973-74 NBA season|1973]]-[[1975-76 NBA season|1976]] seasons, the theme music for the ''NBA on CBS'' actually had lyrics. By the [[1983 NBA Finals]], the opening sequence was set in a primitive, computer-generated montage of basketball action set inside a virtual arena. The sequence, created by [[Bill Feigenbaum]], is generally considered to be the most familiar theme music that the ''NBA on CBS'' used. The theme was revamped for the [[1989 NBA Finals]] and was used until the end of CBS' coverage in [[1989-90 NBA season|1990]].
 
==Memorable moments==
{{details|Notable National Basketball Association games televised by CBS}}
 
During its tenure as NBA network partner, CBS aired notable Finals series between the [[Lakers-Celtics rivalry|Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics]], as well as both championships won by the "Bad Boy" era [[Detroit Pistons]].
 
==Ratings==
{{details|National_Basketball_Association_Nielsen_ratings#From_the_Beginning_.28CBS.29}}
[[Image:Nbacbsdetlal.jpg|right|thumb|Game 7 of the [[1988 NBA Finals]] was highest [[Nielsen Ratings|rated]] game in the history of the ''NBA on CBS''.]]
CBS' NBA ratings were extremely low during the early part of the [[1980s|eighties]]. Ratings fell to a level where, as mentioned before, CBS began airing games in tape delay. The [[1981 NBA Finals]] set the standard for futility, with a 6.7 average rating. The mark was the lowest in NBA history, until the [[2003 NBA Finals]] averaged a 6.5 on [[The NBA on ABC|ABC]]. With the rebirth of the [[Lakers-Celtics rivalry]], ratings improved, especially in the three NBA Finals the two teams played in. CBS' highest rated NBA game (and the only NBA game that scored a 20 plus rating for the network) was Game 7 of the [[1988 NBA Finals]]. By the end of its coverage, CBS' NBA ratings had been mostly respectable, with the lowest rated Final after [[1982 NBA Finals|1982]] scoring a 12.3 (three times). That mark is higher than any NBA Final since [[1998 NBA Finals|1998]].
 
==Slam dunk contest==
During the [[1976-77 NBA season|1976-77 season]], the NBA's first after merging with the [[American Basketball Association|ABA]], CBS held a [[NBA Slam Dunk Contest|slam dunk contest]] that ran during halftime of the ''Game of the Week'' telecasts. [[Don Criqui]] was the host of this particular competition. The final, which pitted [[Larry McNeill]] of the [[Golden State Warriors]] against eventual winner [[Darnell Hillman|Darnell "Dr. Dunk" Hillman]] of the [[Indiana Pacers]], took place during the [[1977 NBA Finals]]. CBS, anxious for star power, gave big names of that era ([[Julius Erving]], [[George Gervin]], and [[David Thompson (basketball)|David Thompson]]) the opportunity to be eliminated three times.<ref>[http://63.240.105.137/pacers/news/hillman_dunkers_050920.html Dr. Dunk Rates His Competition]</ref><ref>[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/18/SPGAVBD9P51.DTL&type=tvradio Enjoying 'Mile High' should be a slam dunk]</ref>
 
==Statistics==
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==See also==
*''[[NBA on ABC]]''
*''[[NBA on NBC]]''
*''[[NBA on TNT]]''
*''[[NBA on ESPN]]
**''[[NBA Wednesday]]''
**''[[NBA Friday]]''
*[[List of NBA Eastern Conference Final broadcasters]]
*[[List of NBA Western Conference Final broadcasters]]
*[[List of NBA Finals broadcasters]]
*[[Lakers-Celtics rivalry]]
 
==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ahmintz/sports-video.htm Aaron Mintz' Trade and Swap! - Sports Games, Shows & Highlight Films]
*[http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-tv-contracts.shtml InsideHoops - NBA TV Contracts]*[http://www.sportsline.com/nba NBA - CBS SportsLine.com]
*[http://www.80stvthemes.com/ra/51999/CBSNBA.ra CBS NBA Basketball (1982, Video) - No voice over.]
**[http://www.80stvthemes.com/ra/51999/CBSNBAVO.ra CBS NBA Basketball (1982, Video) - With voice over provided by Brent Musburger.]
*[http://www.ilovewavs.com/TV/Sports/TV%20Theme%20-%20CBS,%20NBA.wav TV Theme - CBS, NBA.wav]
*[http://www.kamen.com/video/kamen_cbs_nba.mov CBS TV Spot: NBA Playoffs]
*[http://www.americantelevisionpreservation.com/TV_Vault/CBS_NBA_85_montage.mpg CBS NBA 1985 Montage]
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