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== figure on the right? ==
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== Merger possibilities ==
In the "see also" section of this page, there are seven other pages, each dealing with a specific theory of neural coding. Is it a good idea to have all these separate pages, or should we consider merging all of those other pages into this one (essentially making each one a section of this page, when that section does not already exist)? I'm not yet making a formal merger proposal, but just gaging what other editors think. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
:I checked and none of these seven other pages are longer than an (elaborate) section. I would support a merger proposal. [[User:Lova_Falk|<
::I agree with you about that, and I now '''Support''' such a merger. I would consider it necessary to actually incorporate material from these other pages into this page, thereby expanding this page, for the merge to be appropriate. I'm going to formally template the pages, to discuss this proposal. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
: '''Support''' it's all neural coding, this is like having my grocery list on five different pieces of paper. ADDENDUM: to expand a bit, I think these are sufficiently notable topics to deserve their own page, but none of these pages are developed enough to merit that, they're basically all summaries like in the main neural coding page. But I agree with trypto that we should actually merge, not delete the others if the claims are cited or obviously true [[User:Xurtio|Xurtio]] ([[User talk:Xurtio|talk]]) 09:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC).
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Is "Neuronal code" yet another term that belongs here? Any difference with "neural code"? Cf. [https://www.coursera.org/course/bluebrain Synapses, Neurons and Brains | Coursera] [[User:Nealmcb|★NealMcB★]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb|talk]]) 05:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
:No difference. The term "neuronal code" is not used very often, though. [[User:Looie496|Looie496]] ([[User talk:Looie496|talk]]) 07:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
::Good to know. And I created redirects from ''neuronal code'' and ''neuronal coding'' to this article. [[User:Lova_Falk|<
==It's all hypothetical==
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: {{u|Terovian}}, I haven't looked through the whole article but the "Perspectives" section is horrible. I added a template to the section to flag that. Thanks for noting all this. The book is self-published and part of a series of eight self-published books. Tregub describes himself as an independent researcher. The Wikipedia editor who made the large recent changes hasn't edited any other pages at all, so potentially could be Tregub. In that case I agree this would effectively be [[WP:OR]], and if not it at least goes against [[WP:SPS]] and [[WP:NPOV]]. Maybe somebody with rollback priviliges could revert to an earlier version? [[User:Gazelle55|Gazelle55]] ([[User talk:Gazelle55|talk]]) 23:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
::I've reverted the article per your suggestions. Can't believe it took so long for someone to fix this. [[User:Raelyks|Raelyks]] ([[User talk:Raelyks|talk]]) 21:10, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
==Wiki Education assignment: INFO 200 Selected Topics in Information Literacy - Wikipedia==
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== Removal of Non-credible Information- Potential complete rollback? ==
After examining this page carefully, I believe there is good reason to rollback this entire page to its state prior to the first edit of [[User:Stastr1]]. This user appears to have vandalized this page with information from blatantly non-credible sources, which are quite possibly their own [[Wikipedia:OR]].
Based on concerns other users have voiced previously, I have removed the "Symphonic Neural Code" section from this article entirely. The term "symphonic neural code" does not seem to appear anywhere other than in the works of an individual named "Stanislav Tregub".
As others have pointed out, material in this article appears to be copied with minor modification from [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357182274_Reading_the_Music_of_the_Brain_Symphonic_Neural_Code_Hypothesis this article on researchgate] written by Tregub. The site explicitly warns that the article is almost certainly not peer reviewed, and Tregub's profile page describes him as an "independent researcher" , mentioning no credentials or affiliation with any educational/research institution whatsoever, much less an entity which specializes in neuroscience.
The article itself cites only 4 sources, a remarkably low number for a research paper purporting to describe an entirely novel theory of how the brain encodes information. Any peer reviewed paper of comparable scope produced by a reputable entity would typically be expected to have ''multiple pages'' of citations, a fact which casts further doubt on the rigorousness and credibility of Tregub's paper. Moreover, one of Tregub's four sources is apparently ''his own website'' (source four), a violation of the most basic best practices of citation itself. Additionally, references in the article are made to Tregub's books, which are self published according to the ''[https://www.amazon.com/Algorithm-Mind-Teleological-Transduction-Symphony/dp/B09BZYBP3Y Amazon Page]'' (which is being used as A CITATION IN THE ARTICLE, potentially directing unsuspecting readers to purchase Tregub's work)
For these reasons, it is abundantly clear that these works do not meet the standard of [[Wikipedia:Credibility]], and thus overt mention of their content has been removed entirely.
However, other users have pointed out that the entirety of this article has been edited to cast doubt on competing theories, and contains numerous instances of opinionated language and deviations from encyclopedic style. These changes appear to have been added by [[User:Stastr1]] over the course of several days in late December 2021, a fact that can clearly viewed in the revision history. In particular, [[User:Stastr1]] added the entire "Symphonic Neural Code" section unilaterally in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neural_coding&type=revision&diff=1062618048&oldid=1062604722 this revision] . Interestingly, the previously mentioned [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357182274_Reading_the_Music_of_the_Brain_Symphonic_Neural_Code_Hypothesis paper] from which much of this article's post-stastr1 content appears to be plagiarized was published in December 2021. Furthermore, a review of [[User:Stastr1]]'s [[Special:Contributions/Stastr1|contribution page]] reveals that they appear to only have ever edited the Neural Coding page and the Binding Problem page. Examining Tregub's researchgate profile, it is quite easy to discover that he has also uploaded [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359685771_Harmonious_Solution_to_the_Binding_Problem another un-peer reviewed, but admittedly slightly more thoroughly sourced paper on the binding problem]. This paper was published in April 2022. In the final days of March 2022,[[User:Stastr1]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binding_problem&type=revision&diff=1079572302&oldid=1068140372 added a considerable amount of information to the binding problem article.] If one compares the first major chunk of text [[User:Stastr1]] added to the article (beginning with "We perceive the world as a diverse but coherent structure.") to the paper published by Tregub on the subject, it is clear they are identical. In summary, the user that vandalized this article has only ever contributed to two wikipedia articles, and each time they ripped portions from papers by an obscure nobody with no expertise on the subject at hand. These facts establish a reasonable suspicion that [[User:Stastr1]] may be Tregub himself, although this is difficult to conclusively verify. Assuming it was, it is an astonishing instance of original research, and I am quite surprised that it was allowed to remain in the article unchecked for nearly a year.
Regardless of [[User:Stastr1]]'s identity, however, one thing is absolutely clear: They have committed an extraordinarily egregious act of vandalism on this article. As I have written this justification, I have become more convinced that the article needs to be completely rolled back to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neural_coding&oldid=1059488854 the last revision prior to the vandalism,] which I will do promptly. I understand that there have been legitimate contributions made since, but these seem to be minor clerical corrections to what is still fundamentally misinformation. Overall, it is clear that nothing has been done to rectify the substance of the vandalism, which is extensive and would be extremely time-consuming to root out manually. As such, Reversion appears to be the best option for quickly returning this article to something at least half-way informative. [[User:Raelyks|Raelyks]] ([[User talk:Raelyks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
== Farfetched theories stated as fact ==
the section "Non-spike ultramicro-coding (for advanced intelligence)" seems to state many things as fact, and makes many startling claims, I think an expert should take a look and possibly remove it [[Special:Contributions/2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27|2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27]] ([[User talk:2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27|talk]]) 12:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27|@2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27]] one of the sources is even from a journal called "Speculations in Science and Technology," the claims should be toned down at the very least [[Special:Contributions/2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27|2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27]] ([[User talk:2600:4041:2D1:5D00:2D7E:F622:A51:2C27|talk]]) 12:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::Significantly the ''Speculations'' paper ('''1988''') has since been vindicated experimentally: Sun et al (2010), and Zangari et al (2021). [[User:Tegiap|Tegiap]] ([[User talk:Tegiap|talk]]) 04:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
:The relevant type of "expert" here would be an up-to-date epistemologist (Knowledge Theorist), such as Paul Thagard or Susan Haack. (Actually the main ideas here are NOT presented as "facts" but as well-supported ''hypotheses'', based on indirect published evidence -- difficult-or-impossible to observe directly. Meanwhile they are part of the only plausible account after >50 years of unsolved mystery regarding ''advanced'' cognition). [[User:Tegiap|Tegiap]] ([[User talk:Tegiap|talk]]) 04:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
:This entire section instantly smells of subjective original research, and the moment one's flavor of "philosophy of science" is invoked; it becomes hardcore pseudoscience. This section needs to be removed on grounds of OR and speculative crystal-balling on the wiki. A jarring break in tone and content from the rest of the article... and a hotspot for fringe discussion of unscientific ideologies.
:P.S
:There is no need for an expert here, as the section does not cite acceptable sources, nor makes any scientifically scrutable claim. And from the perspective of biophysics; this has no grounding whatsoever. [[Special:Contributions/2001:861:44C1:E970:78C8:5555:3D95:B21E|2001:861:44C1:E970:78C8:5555:3D95:B21E]] ([[User talk:2001:861:44C1:E970:78C8:5555:3D95:B21E|talk]]) 13:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
The far-fetched theory is crackpot for the simple reason that binary-latent models in artificial intelligence, such as int LLMs, achieve what we would call intelligence as per the Turing test with two and more orders of magnitude fewer connections than the ones observed in the human brain. Therefore, as there is no need to explain a gap in the current model's capacity for intelligent behaviour, this theory has no legs to stand on. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C22:B4CB:9800:2984:3A37:5405:2222|2A01:C22:B4CB:9800:2984:3A37:5405:2222]] ([[User talk:2A01:C22:B4CB:9800:2984:3A37:5405:2222#top|talk]]) 02:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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