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| {{cite book
| title = Assembler Language Programming for IBM System z ™ Servers - Version 2.00
| author = John R. Ehrman
| date = February 2016
| edition = Second
| url = http://148.100.100.35/enterprisesystemseducation/assemblerlanguageresources/Assembler.V2.alntext%20V2.00.pdf
| access-date = September 29, 2023
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==BAL brings back memories==
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== Apples and oranges ==
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The edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Assembly_Language&oldid=1164874838 introduces errors. E.g., the tables shows Basic Assembler Language as having been written in HLASM, which did not exist at the time, and as running on systems other than BPS/360, which it is not able to do. Absent a compelling reason, I plan to restore the status quo. -- [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 18:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Requested move 3 September 2023 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' Consensus that the title "Basic Assembly Language" does not accurately describe the article's scope. The improvement in accuracy appears to have been viewed as significant enough to outweigh the reduction in [[WP:CONCISION]]. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:ModernDayTrilobite|ModernDayTrilobite]] ([[User talk:ModernDayTrilobite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite|contribs]]) 14:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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[[:Basic Assembly Language]] → {{no redirect|IBM Basic assembly language and successors}} – The article discusses the entire family of assemblers for the IBM S/360 through z mainframes; only on [[BPS/360]] and [[BOS/360]] was the assembler named BAL. [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 17:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
:For context, I had moved the article ''IBM Basic assembly language'' to ''IBM Basic assembly language and successors'' a decade ago in edit [[Special:Permalink/566727959]];
: '''Support''' The title needs to have IBM in it, and the proposed title better describes the article’s subject. [[User:Peter Flass|Peter Flass]] ([[User talk:Peter Flass|talk]]) 18:21, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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::::::::I have lost a few times in [[WP:COMMONNAME]] discussions, when I thought an article should have the technically correct name. If it isn't the correct name or the [[WP:COMMONAME]] then maybe we should change it? [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 20:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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== DOS vs OS? ==
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:Assembler H was a completely new assembler with enhanced macro facilities. It was mostly compatible with F and, later, with XF. Assembler H V2 and HLASM started from the H code base.
:The article should go into this in more detail, absent the conjecture about the XF code base. -- [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 13:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
== Problems with external links ==
I've run into some issues with #external links:
# IBM High Level Assembler manual
#* doesn't indicate which manual
#* Should be ... General Information
# High Level Assembler for z/OS & z/VM & z/VSE Language Reference
#* Unable to connect
#* There's a 2017 copy at [https://www0.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3sc264940/$file/asmr1023.pdf]
#* I'm pretty sure that there's a more recent one online
# Web enabled IBM Assembler F compiler for small experiments
#* 404 compliant
# ASSIST – Assembler System for Student Instruction & Systems Teaching
#* 404 compliant
I'll look around and see what I can find to update these, but if someone else gets there first I'll be happy. -- [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 15:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
== Nomenclature - truncated addressing ==
{{ping|Peter Flass}} Should the article use the generic term of art "truncated addressing",<ref>{{cite manual
| title = PHILCO® 2000 Electronic Data Processing System - PROGRAMMING MANUAL
| id = TM-10
| date = November 1960
| url = http://bitsavers.org/pdf/philco/2000/TM-10_Philco_2000_Programming_Manual_Nov1960.pdf
| access-date = October 18, 2023
}}
</ref><ref>{{cite manual
| title = REFERENCE MANUAL - UNIVAC III Data Processing System
| id = UT-2488
| year = 1962
| url = http://bitsavers.org/pdf/univac/univac3/UT-2488_UNIVACIII_ref_Jun62.pdf
| access-date = October 18, 2023
}}
</ref> or should it use the term "base-displacement addressing" introduced with [[System/360]]?
:Wow, some pretty old manuals! Unfortunately they’re not searchable, so I wasn’t able to easily find references to “truncated.” In any case, the article is about software for System/360, so I think the IBM terminology makes more sense. [[User:Peter Flass|Peter Flass]] ([[User talk:Peter Flass|talk]]) 17:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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