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===GNU Emacs===
Is there any reason not to include GNU Emacs here? It is not WYSIWG but it has many functions useful for HTML editing (for example nXhtml) --[[User:Nopedia|Nopedia]] ([[User talk:Nopedia|talk]]) 20:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:Feel free to add it ;) <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">[[User:Mabdul|<
:: I did [[User:Nopedia|Nopedia]] ([[User talk:Nopedia|talk]]) 19:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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:: Is not that enough? (There is more, of course.) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nopedia|Nopedia]] ([[User talk:Nopedia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nopedia|contribs]]) 23:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: I feel a bit frustrated. Despite this discussion someone just erased GNU Emacs from this page. I can't see any reason for that. Why waste time that way? Could you however did this please explain? --[[User:Nopedia|Nopedia]] ([[User talk:Nopedia|talk]]) 10:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, Nopedia. I don't make a habit of reading the talk pages for relatively uncontroversial articles before making relatively innocuous changes. It's probably safe to assume the vast majority of edits to Wikipedia are made this way. So please don't feel frustrated—you've done the right thing, sending me a message to ask me to explain, and now we can talk it out.
::My reasoning for removing emacs was simple: I didn't see any compelling reason to list a general-purpose text editor in an article on purpose-built HTML editors, when the article already states plainly that many generic text editors have features to make editing HTML easier and links to a page comparing them. I was too brusque in my edit comment, and I'm sure my intent didn't come across well. Hopefully it is more clear now. —<span class="user-sig user-horsepunchkid">[[User:HorsePunchKid|HorsePunchKid]] ([[User talk:HorsePunchKid|talk]]) <span class="user-sig-date">2010-01-10 19:15:11[[ISO 8601|Z]]</span></span>
:Hi, HorsePunchKid. I do not think the page is about "html only" editors. That would help no one. I think we should understand the criteria as "good html" editors. Don't you?--[[User:Nopedia|Nopedia]] ([[User talk:Nopedia|talk]]) 20:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with HorsePunchKid that this article should be only about WYSIWYG editors. Otherwise many others should be included too, and it is hard to draw a line. Also [[List of HTML editors]] links to this article only for the WYSIWYG editors. Maybe one should rename this article and write a comparison of the rest too... --[[User:Danh|Danh]] ([[User talk:Danh|talk]]) 17:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Seems to be '''POV''' to have a thing for excluding [[GNU emacs]]. This was in the version of this article merely half a year ago. ''The title of this current article does not delineate or exclude certain kinds of HTML editors. Whether it is or isn't WYSIWYG is immaterial.[[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] ([[User talk:Dogru144|talk]]) 02:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
If you want to include general text editor that have extensions to support html editing, put it in a separate section with at least a few others -- notepad++ I think has html extensions, as well as vim, my mind goes blank here...but I really would rather see ones who's main focus is on web development (HTML,CSS, JS, etc) in their own collection and have text editors with support in another. But latex has a gui...can't remember the name, but it looks like it would have an html output and would be more likely to have WYSIWYG features than vim, emacs, etc. I'm not sure if it belongs here, and I wouldn't know where to put it. Anyway -- I got led here searching for editor like NVU and komposer and the ilk. I certainly don't see gnu or vim in the same category.
[[User:Athenae|Astara Athenea]] ([[User talk:Athenae|talk]]) 09:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
== Preview Pane ==
There should be a column for whether or not the editor has a preview pane. To users of front page or other legacy editors this is a important feature. Though personally i prefer [[VIM]]. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.99.65.8|216.99.65.8]] ([[User talk:216.99.65.8|talk]]) 11:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I agree. The key comparison here is the convenience of being able to preview your work quickly and without back-and-forthing with your web browser. In some cases, like Dreamweaver starting sometime before CS5.5, it works in "real time" (but not really). I propose that this replaces the "page preview" column since, while both have the same result in mind (previewing your content), a button that opens the current file in a web browser is not only practically a standard in HTML editors, but also child's play in coding terms. Any further opinions? [[User:StigmaOfTruth|StigmaOfTruth]] ([[User talk:StigmaOfTruth|talk]]) 18:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
===link for syntax===
[[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] ([[User talk:Dogru144|talk]]) 00:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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== Opera Dragonfly? ==
I don't think it's an HTML editor? It's more of a web inspector/debugger like Firebug and Safari's Web Inspector? [[User:Ufopedia|Ufopedia]] ([[User talk:Ufopedia|talk]]) 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:At that moment you're right. But it is an alpha and they plan to expand the tool with many more features (some hints are already given on the dragonfly page!) <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">[[User:Mabdul|<
== OS ==
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-- [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 12:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
* write image (like svg!)? --<small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">[[User:Mabdul|<
: I'd be surprised if that's the definition - the table includes TIFF, which isn't normally used on the WWW, so why would any HTML editors generate image files in this format? -- [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 14:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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*[[mw:Extension:FCKeditor (by FCKeditor and Wikia)]]
*[[mw:WYSIWYG editor]] - [[WYSIWYG]] editing and software for [[MediaWiki]] and some [[wiki farms]]. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 05:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
== Alleycode ==
[[Alleycode_HTML_Editor]]. Should this free WYSIWYG HTML editor be in the comparison tables?
Please see:
http://www.alleycode.com/
[[User:Alleycat812|Alleycat812]] ([[User talk:Alleycat812|talk]]) 10:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
feel free and [[wp:bold|be bold!]]<small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">[[User:Mabdul|<span style="color:#000;">mabdul</span>]] [[User talk:Mabdul|0=*]]</small> 10:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
== PageBreeze ==
Should this free WYSIWYG HTML editor be in the comparison tables?
Please see:
http://www.pagebreeze.com/
[[User:Alleycat812|Alleycat812]] ([[User talk:Alleycat812|talk]]) 10:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
write first an article and then be bold to add it! <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">[[User:Mabdul|<span style="color:#000;">mabdul</span>]] [[User talk:Mabdul|0=*]]</small> 10:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
== Needed: Indications of which HTML each editor supports ==
What isn't mentioned is which of the many specifications of HTML each editor supports, and whether or not it has any validation mechanism.
This would be an ideal place to put such information.
HTML 3.2
HTML 4.0 (strict / transitional / frameset )
HTML 4.01 (strict / transitional / frameset )
ISO/IEC 15445:2000
HTML 5
XHTML 1.0 (strict / transitional / frameset )
XHTML 1.1 (strict / transitional / frameset )
XHTML 2.0 (strict / transitional / frameset )
XHTML 5
([[User:20040302|20040302]] ([[User talk:20040302|talk]]) 17:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC))
:Good contributions![[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] ([[User talk:Dogru144|talk]]) 23:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
== NetObjects Fusion? ==
How is [[NetObjects Fusion]] not in this list? Isn't it a WYSIWYG web editor?[[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] ([[User talk:Dogru144|talk]]) 23:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
: By nobody having added it, of course. (That said, in my view it's really just a desktop publisher that likes to think it's an HTML editor.) -- [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 14:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I've been curious about this issue.[[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] ([[User talk:Dogru144|talk]]) 20:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
== WYSIWYG ==
The "WYSIWYG" column has appeared since I last looked. Given that no HTML editor can be truly WYSIWYG for a variety of reasons, what are the criteria for a "Yes" in this column? -- [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 14:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
== Nominations ==
AS most casual visitors may I came looking for a guide to find a HTML editor can we agree a nomination list ?
Perhaps some entry criteria ?
--[[User:Seanwong|Seanwong]] ([[User talk:Seanwong|talk]]) 13:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
--[[User:Seanwong|Seanwong]] ([[User talk:Seanwong|talk]]) 13:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
== Deletion of this article ==
This article must be deleted according to [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_XMPP_client_software|this discussion]] and result about the deletion of similar list like articles like [[List_of_XMPP_client_software|this one]].
An aticle of deletion should be created here: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Editing Comparison of HTML editors]]. (Onle registered users can do this, so not me) --[[Special:Contributions/91.89.137.62|91.89.137.62]] ([[User talk:91.89.137.62|talk]]) 15:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:As I told you at [[Talk:Comparison of text editors]], that discussion only applies to that article: the rationale does not automatically apply here. --[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 15:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
== Oracle Open Office ==
I noticed it still said that OpenOffice.org was by Sun Microsystems. Shouldn't that be changed to Oracle? Bradj47 02:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:although oracle bought sun, the application is still known as OOo --> see [http://www.openoffice.org/ here]. At the moment at least. [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 13:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
== Bi-di support? ==
which of these are supporting bi-directionality? because dreamweaver is really bad at it--[[Special:Contributions/85.64.103.251|85.64.103.251]] ([[User talk:85.64.103.251|talk]]) 13:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
== Expression Web is now free ==
As the title says....
[[Special:Contributions/188.222.184.114|188.222.184.114]] ([[User talk:188.222.184.114|talk]]) 03:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
== The 'Editor features' table is too wide ==
The ''''Editor features'''' table is too wide to display correctly on my system; I'm using the latest Firefox, with the option "''Allow pages to choose their own fonts instead of my selections''" selected. Specifically, the rightmost column, ''''Form Handler'''', fails to show on screen unless I take extraordinary measures, such as editing the page.
I discovered that changing the ''wikitable'' style from font size '''90%''' down to '''82%''' (but nothing larger, say 83%) would fix the problem for me. However, that text size is too small for easy reading even by normally-sighted persons, and I feel that perhaps the table is simply too wide overall. I inspected the headings, which are the widest elements in most columns, but we can't shorten them much without making them harder to understand.
So I have the following questions:
#Could we '''format the table differently''' to convey the same information but in a narrower form? (E.g. by rotating the column headings 90% anti-clockwise, to become vertical.)
#Why not '''drop the 'Form Handler' column''', since we only have definite information for one of the editors listed?
#Is there a ''Wikipedia formatting standard'' or ''style guide'' that governs '''minimum acceptable text sizes''', keeping in mind the [[World Wide Web Consortium]] (W3C) standards for [[web usability]] by all users, regardless of their physical abilities?
#Similarly, is there a ''Wikipedia standard'' on '''maximum table widths'''? (We need to keep in mind that many readers now access Wikipedia primarily or only on tablets and smartphones, with very limited screen area.)
[[User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|yoyo]] ([[User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|talk]]) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
== Which Editors run in Java/Javascript/zero-install/non-admin install ==
The tables could helpfully document which editors are build/run in Java (JRE), Javascript, or are otherwise likely to be "non admin install" if running on a locked down computer (assuming a java/javascript enabled browser browser is installed, or Java Webstart is installed). Zero-admin means that the programme doesn't need to create registry entries, register DLLs, need to put any files in program files, windows/system or windows/system32 etc. and is available unbundled from an installer or can be unbundled by zipping up files of a working install where all the files are easy to find. (Good no-admin install text editor examples are notepad++ and PFE.)
I know that some of the editors listed are JavaScript, and maybe Java. The [[comparison of text editors]] does show ones developed in Java, for example.
--[[Special:Contributions/188.223.226.195|188.223.226.195]] ([[User talk:188.223.226.195|talk]]) 11:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
== Missing some html editors ==
[[HotDog]] wiki article. Sausage software page shows "HotDog Professional 7.03 US$99.95" (originally free). Also Netscape Gold software sold in the mid 90's was often purchased for the included web page editor (http://www.zisman.ca/netgold/; http://www.its.hku.hk/news/ccnews67/netgold3.htm; http://users.cis.fiu.edu/~downeyt/cgs3559/goldhtml.htm; http://www.ling.upenn.edu/advice/netedit.html)(after all Netscape Navigator was a free download (unless you were too dumb to figure that out. Very few of my customers came into the stores I worked at to buy Netscape Gold for the included browser.) Several hosting sites offer free use of "Homesite"; it is still available (http://download.cnet.com/HomeSite/3000-10247_4-10001199.html), but discontinued by Adobe (http://www.adobe.com/products/homesite/) or see wiki page [[Macromedia HomeSite]]. Also I don't believe [[Frontpage]] (Microsoft Office Frontpage 2003) was free (it was sold in the Microsoft Store and other software sales concerns) but often included free with other products Frontpage for Mac may be free but also has limited functionality (no VBA) like Frontpage Express. Another is Apple iWeb for Mac (part of iLife $80).
[[User:Shjacks45|Shjacks45]] ([[User talk:Shjacks45|talk]]) 08:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
== Not all are HTML editors ==
I installed the openElement and found out that it can not open an HTML file. What you can do is make a project, open the source view and see the code... editing is limidet. You can not paste the html from somewhere else. So it is not usable to edit my HTML files, that i have on my disk. I would not say that openElement is a "HTML editor". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.161.17.22|213.161.17.22]] ([[User talk:213.161.17.22|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== LibreOffice as well as OpenOffice? ==
The table mentions [[OpenOffice.org]]. Presumably any of its features, including HTML editing support, is also available in [[LibreOffice]]. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.14.75.47|76.14.75.47]] ([[User talk:76.14.75.47|talk]]) 20:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC) (SPageWMF on a public computer, honest :-) )
== Kompozer ==
Is Kompozer really "discontinued?" The [http://kompozer.net kompozer.net] web page seems to be stuck in 2010, but the [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kompozer/ SourceForge page] has a May, 2016 version. (It's not clear what's updated, though -- I installed it, and it still shows a 2010 copyright notice.) [[User:NCdave|NCdave]] ([[User talk:NCdave|talk]]) 19:24, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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== HTMLPen.com ==
I am using HTMLPen.com heavily very recently because of its convenience. I was looking for other editors and felt like I should add it although I did not know Wikipedia rules for talks. So should it be added? Can open edit save html files. It has code completion and code aware coloring. So to me it is a powerful html editor. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.180.145.21|98.180.145.21]] ([[User talk:98.180.145.21#top|talk]]) 05:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Light purple for not active and accessibility ==
The General Information section says "''Systems listed on a light purple background are no longer in active development.''" I can barely tell the difference between the two types of entry in that column. Some are in light purple and some others in a very slightly different light purple. I see NVU is in the very slightly darker light purple and I know that is not in active development, so I think it is the darker light purple for not active development.
I think we need to be highlighting the inactive products in a different way. [[User:SandJ-on-WP|SandJ-on-WP]] ([[User talk:SandJ-on-WP|talk]]) 08:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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