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==Regarding Protogon==

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== Keyboard shortcuts and other version of Windows ==

Prior to this page's creation, the section regarding Protogon was removed by user [[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] with the reason, "Please adhere to MOS. The reader is ''not'' a subject in an article."

I added a link to [[Windows_key]] shortcuts for other versions of Windows because Windows 8 supports most of them and it is a useful reference for Windows users. My addition read,

I'm sorry, but I do not know what this abbreviation means. Do not assume that everyone will understand ambiguous abbreviations and please do not remove a section unless you are willing start a discussion about it. The cryptic reason given is not inherently understandable. Please, rephrase and elaborate.

:Windows 8 also supports [[Windows_key|Windows Key shortcuts]] from earlier versions."

Unfortunately Codename Lisa reverted the change with the comment,

:No, it doesn't. For example, Win+P and Ctrl+Alt+Space don't work as they did before.

First, the original edit did not claim that all shortcuts are supported. Second, the cited Ctrl+Alt+Space combination is not a "Windows key" shortcut and is irrelevant. I edited the addition changing it to read "supports many ..." to address the comment from Codename Lisa. Unfortunately Codename Lisa reverted the change with the comment,

Thanks, [[User:Neillithan|Neillithan]] ([[User talk:Neillithan|talk]]) 14:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

:Please stick to Wikipedia:Editing policy § Talking and editing and use talk page for communication, not edit summaries. Also "many" is a weasel word.

:MOS stands for [[WP:Manual of style|Manual of style]]. Text should not be removed, but instead edited to conform to the style. If someone's edit does not improve the article, you can [[WP:undo|undo]] it. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 22:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Codename Lisa: Please clarify/elaborate any reasons you may have for the last revert. Whether or not you like the word "many" is not reason to revert the whole change. Be constructive in editing. The statement is provably true and relevant. If you don't like "many" then rephrase to your liking-- cite a percentage, change it to "most", etc. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:User5910|User5910]] ([[User talk:User5910|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/User5910|contribs]]) 15:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Most important new feature for me: free pinball ==

:Hello, {{u|User5910}}

:First, even if what you say is true, it is not a new feature. It an old feature. What is it doing in ''Features new to Windows 8'' article?

A table of [[Pinball FX 2]] is included in Windows 8 for free. http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/29/pinball-fx-2-included-in-windows-8-consumer-preview/ --[[User:Fluffystar|Fluffystar]] ([[User talk:Fluffystar|talk]]) 18:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:''Third-party'' app that does not belong as a ''feature of Windows 8 itself''.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 19:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

::Well, [[Full_Tilt!_Pinball#3D_Pinball_for_Windows_-_Space_Cadet|Space Cadet pinball]] was also developed by a third party (Maxis) and is listed under [[List of features removed in Windows Vista]] ----[[User:Fluffystar|Fluffystar]] ([[User talk:Fluffystar|talk]]) 19:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:::The difference is that that pinball program was something you could add/remove in "Add/remove features", but this is not the case with Windows 8.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 19:46, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

::::Then we need an additional list of apps that come with Windows 8. --[[User:Fluffystar|Fluffystar]] ([[User talk:Fluffystar|talk]]) 11:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

:Second, allow me to remind you of our policies: [[WP:V|Contributions without sources may be challenged and deleted]]. I personally do not think one tenth of Windows 7 shortcuts made their way to Windows 8. If you think otherwise, you should know that [[WP:BURDEN|the burden of proof is on the person who makes the contribution]], i.e. you. So, would you please cite a source? (In the appropriate article of course; like I said, this article should host this statement, regardless of its truth.)

== New features ==

:Best regards,

The following have been removed from the article: PowerShell 3, WMI 3, IE10, SMB3, Kerberos 5, new PowerShell interfaces to management tools. These are but a few of the [http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/explore-windows-8.aspx new features] that are not currently in the article - I'm not inclined to re-add them, but am adding this note so that others have some tips what to search for. <i><font color="black"><font size="2">Socrates2008</i> (<font size=2>[[User talk:Socrates2008|Talk]]</font>)</font></font> 11:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

:Agreed. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 1517:1500, 1112 JulyAugust 20132015 (UTC)

== External links modified ==

==Page soon to be outdated==

Some of the information probably needs to be updated due to changes done through software updates. (For example, allowing IE10 Metro version full flash support. I'm not changing that one because I really don't know enough about article writing to make the edit according to form.)

Additionally, a major update called Windows 8.1 has been confirmed and will add quite a lot of features. It hasn't been released yet, though, so the info about these aspects in the article is not yet outdated. Sources:

*http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2013/05/30/continuing-the-windows-8-vision-with-windows-8-1.aspx

*http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/business/archive/2013/06/03/modern-business-in-mind-windows-8-1-at-teched-2013.aspx

[[Special:Contributions/84.190.81.137|84.190.81.137]] ([[User talk:84.190.81.137|talk]]) 18:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

:Soon to be outdated really needs to become 'outdated'. This article deals with things that are new, and the features of 8.1 aren't 'new' yet, just announced. It's interesting though, because of the prominence placed onto the 8.1, I'm wondering whether we need to have a subsection entitled "Features new to Windows 8.1", rather than jamming them into the body of the article. <span style='border-bottom:1px solid #09F'>&nbsp;[[User:Sonicdrewdriver|drewmunn]]&nbsp;<span style='border-left:1px solid #09F; border-top:1px solid #09F; border-bottom:1px solid #FFF'>&nbsp;[[User talk:Sonicdrewdriver|talk]]&nbsp;</span></span> 18:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

== Re: Titlebar text in the middle of windows ==

That's not really much of a notable feature in comparison to everything else in this article, it's just [[WP:FANCRUFT|fancruft]] in my opinion. The Up arrow is borderline on that too (and should really be bunched in with the stuff about the updates to File Explorer), but unlike the titlebar text, that button actually does something important, and was notably absent on Vista and 7. <span style="border:1px solid #f57900;padding:1px;"><font style="color:#8f5902">[[User:ViperSnake151|ViperSnake151]]</font> [[User_talk:ViperSnake151|<font style="color:#fff;background:#fcaf3e;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</font>]] </span> 20:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Agreed. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 15:15, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

:I agree; it is no new feature, merely a trivial relocation of an existing feature. I'll also add that having a separate section for returning features doesn't work out, when the article is already structured based on which part of the OS was changed. - [[User:Josh the Nerd|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh the Nerd|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Josh_the_Nerd|contribs]]) 16:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

::Hi. I was thinking the same thing. Still, it is nice to see Dogmaticeclectic working a little more cooperatively. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 18:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Per the consensus established here, I've removed (self-reverted the addition of) the entire remaining section; however, I added back the new text where the features were mentioned before, since I still think the fact that these features are returning ones should be mentioned (especially considering that both additions are reliably sourced). [[User:Dogmaticeclectic|Dogmaticeclectic]] ([[User talk:Dogmaticeclectic|talk]]) 18:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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Any thoughts on whether the Windows 8.1 features can be moved to [[Features new to Windows 8.1]]?? [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 18:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

:Hi. We discussed this in Windows 8 talk page. With the recommendations of [[User:Dogmaticeclectic]], [[User:ViperSnake151]], [[User:87Fan]], [[User:Jasper Deng]] and myself, the consensus was to move the contents here. So, I did it today. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 19:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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::And where exactly can I locate a list of features that are new to Windows 8.1? --[[Special:Contributions/128.69.219.161|128.69.219.161]] ([[User talk:128.69.219.161|talk]]) 07:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

:::I agree, this is not a good solution and makes it extremely hard to get a grasp of the changes to Windows 8.1. Why not list the changes to 8.1 below changes to Windows 8? Or do it as it is done for Mac OSX. [[User:user931|user931]] 19:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

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::::Hi. This deliberate. [[WP:NOTCHANGELOG|Wikipedia is not a change log]] or a [[WP:IINFO|list of indiscriminate items]]. You are not supposed to be able to located a list of features that are new to Windows 8.1 all together. There are millions of places on the Internet that make such trivia lists. Visit them if you wish, instead of Wikipedia. I am not saying such lists are bad; it is just what we don't. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 03:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)