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== Main Point ==

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=PDIU is a Far-Right nationalist party, not a Center-Right one…=

It came to my notice that the Wikipedia flagged the PDIU as a center-right political party, while it is not.

PDIU is a far-right extremist propagandist political party (for my proof, I got ''pictures in the link, below'') as it promotes extreme nationalism and makes verbal shouts against the [[Macedonians of Albania|ethnic Macedonian]] and [[Greeks in Albania|Greek]] Minorities of Albania. Recently, PDIU was fined by the Tirana Court for insulting the Macedonians by removing bilingual signs in East Albania, while a week ago, the PDIU organized a nationalist parade, and thus, raising anti-Greek sentiments among the Albanian population, due to the visit of the Greek President Mr. [[Karolos Papoulias]] to Albania.<br />

Also I shall note that the PDIU recently made ridiculous claims over the [[Epirus (region)|territory of Greece]] which PDIU prefers to call as [[Chameria]] mostly for irredentist reasons related to [[Greater Albania]] and made provocative demands over the identity of many notable Greek figures, claiming that these personalities (such as the President Papoulias, [[Pyrros Dimas]], [[Theodoros Kolokotronis]], [[Laskarina Bouboulina]], [[Markos Botsaris]] and many others), are Albanian and not Greek in origin. <br />

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- Here some photos of PDIU's '''nationalist''' parades where it promotes propaganda against Greece:<br />

[http://www.himara.gr/blog/2469-oi-alvanotsamides-diekdikoun-kolokotroni-mpoumpoulina-tzavela-mpotsari www.himara.gr/blog/2469-oi-alvanotsamides-diekdikoun-kolokotroni-mpoumpoulina-tzavela-mpotsari].<br />

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The PDIU is '''not''' a Center-Right political Party… As far as I know, the Center-Right parties are not extremist nor are promoting extreme nationalism in their ideologies. A true example of a Center-Right party is the [[Democratic Party of Albania]], which, in contrast to PDIU, is patriotic, but not nationalist.

When the Wikipedia flags a such extremist and nationalist party simply as "Center-Right", by using unreliable sources thatof comedisputed reliability (disputed, as it comes in contrast to the party's actions and behaviors against the ethnicity of neighboring countriesbehavior), then you can not but doubt this page's reliability and its sources. --[[User:SilentResident|SilentResident]] ([[User talk:SilentResident|talk]]) 19:06, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

::PDIU is center right, because it affiliates with center right. Not for any right wing political vision or anything else. It can be easily placed as centrist or pura nationalistic. Its program is mostly focused on the Cham issue and partly other nationalistic issues. I don't know where you guys found the references to tell the difference between center-right and far-right inside PDIU programme.

::As far as for the blog mentioned above, www.himara.gr, you can tell how neutral it is from the ___domain. And it is only a blog, it cannot be a source of truth.

::regarding ''"PDIU recently made ridiculous claims over the [[Epirus (region)|territory of Greece]] which PDIU prefers to call as [[Chameria]] mostly for irredentist reasons"'', PDIU members are from Chamouria, their homes and properties, and because they consider an injustice is made over the Albanians in Epirus. I'd suggest to read a little before jumping to conclusions.[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 23:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

:::PDIU's remarks and actions, such as the vandalism of Greek soldier gravestones in Southern Albania sparked outrage in Greece. PDIU's ambush of Macedonians and Romas is criticized in the Republic of Macedonia. Also Serbia condemned it for its nationalist remarks regarding the Presevo Valley. Im really surprised to see it listed as a centerright political party while its political philosophy is far-right colored. --[[Special:Contributions/2.85.78.63|2.85.78.63]] ([[User talk:2.85.78.63|talk]]) 16:16, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

::::''the vandalism of Greek soldier gravestones in Southern Albania sparked outrage in Greece'' ?? ''Serbia condemned PDIU'' ?? - this does not mean that they are left-wing or right-wing. Where do you read all this events you mention above by the way, I never heard of such things. As far as the orientation, being a nationalistic party does not automatically qualify you as a extreme-right. I.e. Milloshevic was leader of the Socialist Party, it does not mean that the Socialist Party was an extreme right one, got the picture?[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 00:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

:::::What Moniad said about the Milocevic/Socialist Party is true, and the same goes with PDIU and it's leader: they are nationalists/fascists, but this doesn't mean that it is not a C-R parti.--[[Special:Contributions/37.6.68.156|37.6.68.156]] ([[User talk:37.6.68.156|talk]]) 21:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

::::: (: [[Fascism|"Fascists"]] is a pretty strong term, but I don't want to continue with the topic, it is not useful. Everyone can have something against PDIU or its leadership, but Wikipedia is not the right place to express pure feelings.[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 00:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)