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== Contested deletion ==
This page should not be speedily deleted because I've been writing Nimrod code for five years, I've seen this article deleted two or three times (for reason of not having enough references) while pages for languages with '''no references''' persist, unthreatened: [[Ooc|ooc]], [[WLanguage]], [[Nemo_(programming_language)]]. Now if references define notability, surely those pages should be deleted and Nim should be left alone. --[[Special:Contributions/99.117.5.224|99.117.5.224]] ([[User talk:99.117.5.224|talk]]) 23:25, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:The fact that other pages hadn't been noticed for deletion isn't evidence that this article is notable. You could, however, use a previous AfD decision as precedent. At the moment, two of the pages you've listed are now up for deletion and one has three different improvement needed widgets. [[User:Dhasenan|Dhasenan]] ([[User talk:Dhasenan|talk]]) 20:53, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
== Contested deletion ==
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Nim is a programming language that is taking off and getting a lot of notice by 100's of developers. Developers around the world are reviewing NIM, see: http://goran.krampe.se/category/nim/, http://ckkashyap.blogspot.in/2015/02/nim-is-best-programming-language.html, http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/02/15/0411217/nim-programming-language-gaining-traction <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Itsmeront|Itsmeront]] ([[User talk:Itsmeront|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Itsmeront|contribs]]) 23:58, 25 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Certainly not as notable as Go etc... but popular enough to have a page on Wikipedia. I am tired of the fanboyism about this language. [[User:Macaldo|Macaldo]] ([[User talk:Macaldo|talk]]) 13:50, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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This language is simply too important (even if presently unknown) to limit peoples exposure to it. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2620:15C:1:10:19E3:CEC1:CD2A:71EA|2620:15C:1:10:19E3:CEC1:CD2A:71EA]] ([[User talk:2620:15C:1:10:19E3:CEC1:CD2A:71EA|talk]]) 00:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
By what measure is the language too important? --[[User:Dallbee|Dallbee]] ([[User talk:Dallbee|talk]]) 19:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
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Hmmm, it kinda makes it almost impossible for us. No, there isn't a book yet. No, we haven't seen any recent article in published press, although its bound to appear more soon. What kind of source would actually work here? [[User:Gokr|Gokr]] ([[User talk:Gokr|talk]]) 13:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Isn't that sort of the point? If something isn't notable enough to have strong sources, it shouldn't have a place in wikipedia. [[User:Dallbee|Dallbee]] ([[User talk:Dallbee|talk]]) 19:47, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
== Contested Deletion ==
The language is notable enough to have an article about it in Dr. Dobbs (http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/nimrod-a-new-systems-programming-languag/240165321 -- that the author is the developer of the language isn't relevant; Dr. Dobbs, not he, is the publisher, and of course would seek the person best able to talk about the language). It was also written up at Lambda the Ultimate (http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4749), a very high quality source of programming language discussion. There is also a presentation about the language at InfoQ (http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nimrod), a leading IT educational organization. A move to delete this article is ill-informed and ill-considered, and makes WP the lesser. -- [[Special:Contributions/98.171.173.90|98.171.173.90]] ([[User talk:98.171.173.90|talk]]) 09:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
I fully agree with this statement. I am deeply disturbed by repeated attempts to erase this entry from Wikipedia. --[[User:Puplan|Paul Jurczak]] ([[User talk:Puplan|talk]]) 07:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I have never programmed in Nim. I read about Nim from some other source. Having gone to Wikipedia, I found nothing about the language, so I created a stub page. The language is unlikely to become the next C or Fortran, but I see Wikipedia as a place for general knowledge. There are plenty of articles about somewhat arcane and obscure things on Wikipedia. That's okay. I vote keep the article. --[[User:Gregh3285|Greg Hawley]] ([[User talk:Gregh3285|talk]]) 01:47, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
== Invalid restore from draft ==
The article was restored from [[Draft:Nim (programming language)]] by copy-paste by [[User:Dom96|Dom96]] {{oldid|Nim (programming language)|647592741|here}}. This would preferably require administrator assistance to remove the current article and move the draft (Regardless of the outcome of the AfD since the page is likely to be restored later on anyway). Not many commits have been made to the current article compared to the draft, so losing the history of the contributors to the current article would be less of a inconvenience than losing the history of the old article.<br>
[[User:Erik.Bjareholt|Erik.Bjareholt]] ([[User talk:Erik.Bjareholt|talk]]) 19:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
:This is somewhat urgent, as changes are made to the current article which might have to be restored without proper author attribution. [[User:Erik.Bjareholt|Erik.Bjareholt]] ([[User talk:Erik.Bjareholt|talk]]) 11:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)~
==A page made by fanboys==
Even if you can with a lot of tricks let nim code run on Android (after all it is a Linux OS), it is not enough to claim "Nim may be used to make an Android application". That is just false, an hoax. [[User:Macaldo|Macaldo]] ([[User talk:Macaldo|talk]]) 13:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
::Did you not see released Android applications programmed in Nim. If Apple says the app can be placed in the apple store what makes you say you can not use it for creating an Android Application? [[User:Itsmeront|Itsmeront]] ([[User talk:Itsmeront|talk]]) 02:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
:::...What is this drivel? You can use batch files to construct an android or iOS application, the question is- do you want to? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.162.196.206|86.162.196.206]] ([[User talk:86.162.196.206#top|talk]]) 21:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Notability ==
The current article is ''extremely'' weak on sources to establish [[WP:N|Notability]], but here's at least one good source that can/should be integrated into the article somewhere: http://www.infoworld.com/article/3157745/application-development/nim-language-draws-from-best-of-python-rust-go-and-lisp.html
P.S. See [[WP:Bombard]]. Spamming a ton of poor sources into an article is not a successful way to keep it from being deleted. In fact including too many poor sources can backfire. If a reviewer checks half the refs and find none of them are good enough to support [[WP:N|Notability]], they may conclude the other half are equally useless and vote delete. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 21:44, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:It is now April 2021, and even though the two latest delete-nominations ended with keep, the article itself still doesn't convey notability. With only a handful of exceptions, the more than 50 inline references are either primary sources or GitHub repos. The only exception, other than two YouTube videos and events where Nim was talked about, is an ''InfoWorld'' article! The only reason I think it may have some notability is that apparently it has enough fanpeeps to get this huge article, that's full of excessive details, into Wikipedia... --[[Special:Contributions/143.176.30.65|143.176.30.65]] ([[User talk:143.176.30.65|talk]]) 13:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:And if you look at the latest delete-nomination discussion, the only additional refs that people could find are either websites discussing Nim reaching version 1.0, or non-reliable sources. --[[Special:Contributions/143.176.30.65|143.176.30.65]] ([[User talk:143.176.30.65|talk]]) 13:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:I agree, it fails to meet [[WP:GNG]]; Mostly. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 06:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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== Is this article "too technical?" ==
{{reply to|Humphrey Tribble}} Which concepts in this article are [[Special:Diff/1194058269|"too technical"]] for readers to understand? [[User:Jarble|Jarble]] ([[User talk:Jarble|talk]]) 18:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:Firstly, {{user|Jarble}}, I apologise for leaving a a flippant comment instead of a more helpful explanation at the outset.
:The template's purpose is to flag "excessive jargon, without enough explanation of concepts and too difficult for readers to understand without a background in the field." So it can suggest an article could be improved or simply alert readers that it will be heavy going.
:[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Technical language]] governs. MOS recommends that the introduction, especially, should be understandable by educated people without having to follow links. But the introduction of [[Nim (programming language)]] has 21 links in only two sentences. That second sentence is also very long. It sounds rather like a manufacturer's description.
: [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal]] adds to MOS. The inclusion of numerous programming examples in Nim is certainly like a manual or textbook.
:Nevertheless, [[Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable]] has practical suggestions for dealing with complex subjects.
:Let me know if I haven't explained it adequately. [[User:Humphrey Tribble|Humpster]] ([[User talk:Humphrey Tribble|talk]]) 22:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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