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==POV Dispute==
This article needs ALOT of work. It reads like a back and forth argument right now. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] | [[User talk:Falcorian|Talk]] 05:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
:I think the article has come a long way in a short time. I think Copysan put in a particularly good edit. I'm a little concerned of the direction Kupci is moving the article... Equating this article to the Seigenthaler debacle, especially after the recent improvements is a step backward, and I do believe that Gibson's critics have bases for their accusations and deserve a measure of consideration in this article. --'''[[User:Alexwcovington|<
::I agree the article has come along way. I do agree with Kupci's removal of GRCSucks.com, because regardless of the merit of the claims against Gibson on it, it does have a title that doesn't seem appropriate. However, his edits seem to be pushing the article a little into the NPOV zone.Oh yes, his comparing this to Seigenthaler seems way off base as well. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] | [[User talk:Falcorian|Talk]] 23:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::GRCSucks.com should not be removed. 'A title that doesn't seem appropriate'? Oh get a life. GRCSucks has more and more benevolent factual information on the charlatan than anyone. Anyone duped to think otherwise is a - dupe. [[User talk:GRCSucks_Advocate|talk]]<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.170.201.79|213.170.201.79]] ([[User talk:213.170.201.79|talk]]) 17:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->
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*[http://www.grcsucks.com/ Steve Gibson Criticism] - Removed for the above reason. I also don't believe that sites that at least try to pass themselves off as smear sites help Wikipedia's credibility, and further I think criticism of Gibson has been thoroughly covered by the previous links.
--[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Falcorian|(talk)]]</small></sup> 18:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:I think GRCsucks.com may deserve a link in the criticism section, but I agree the other links are unnecessary. --'''[[User:Alexwcovington|<
::I seem to be in the minority on removing it, so by all means throw it back up. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Falcorian|(talk)]]</small></sup> 00:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:Agreeing with Alexwcovington here. GRCSucks.com, while having an unfortunate name, does have some excellent and well thought out analysis of Gibson's claims and assertions. [[User:Copysan|Copysan]] 21:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
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==Still POV?==
Falcorian, do you feel the article has improved sufficiently to remove the NPOV tag? If not, What still needs to be done? --'''[[User:Alexwcovington|<
:Looks better now. The only real thing I can think of left is those two radsoft articles, which I don't really feel like reading through, but which on the surface seem rather POV as pointed out above. I think the tag can safely come off. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Falcorian|(talk)]]</small></sup> 00:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
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== Gibson Research Corp Employees ==
FYI: Elaine is not an employee (as the term is normally used) of Gibson Research Corporation. She is a for-hire transcriptionist who runs her own company. Steve Gibson is one of her clients, hiring her to transcribe the Security Now podcasts. Her company, On-Site Media Transcription Services, can be found here: http://www.on-sitemedia.com/ Steve Gibson talks about using her services here: http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-186.htm (search for "On-Site Media") [[User:Rn86|Rn86]] ([[User talk:Rn86|talk]]) 04:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:Checking the sources on the article and the ones you provided it clear that '''Elaine''' is not employed by Gibson Research Corporation. I also tried to confirm her being an employee on grc.com but could not. It would be a stretch of the word ''employee'' to include her so I will go ahead and delete her from the article. I am certain a case could be made for her inclusion in the [[Security Now!]] article. ''' — [[User:Ralajer|<font color=#0534C2>Rɑːlɑːjər]] '''</font><sup>[[User_talk:Ralajer|<font color=#00000>''talk''</font>]]</sup> 07:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
== Reference to Hackers movie? ==
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I recall that roughly a decade ago I edited a section on criticism of Steve's claims, as well as descriptions of GRC products in the article which were marketing copy. It looks the article's NPOV problems eventually caused the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater: it has lost all references to the controversies which were one of the most noteworthy features of this person (and possibly the main justification for having an article in the first place).
[[User:Triskelios|Triskelios]] ([[User talk:Triskelios|talk]]) 06:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
{{U|Triskelios}} I am also here for the controversies after hearing of his [https://crypto.stackexchange.com/a/52551 abhorrent AES password generator]. We should probably find some reliable sources to resurrect the section. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria]][[User talk:Artoria2e5|2e5]] <small style="font-weight:lighter">[[Special:Contributions/Artoria2e5|🌉]]</small> 09:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
== Is Gibson still alive? ==
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== Requested move 9 March 2021 ==
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[[:Steve Gibson (computer programmer)]] → {{no redirect|Steve Gibson (programmer)}} – Per [[WP:CONCISE]], [[WP:DAB]]: don't use a longer disambiguation term than is necessary. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 02:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC) <small>—'''''Relisting.''''' ~ [[User:Aseleste|<span style="font-family:monospace">Aseleste</span>]] ([[User talk:Aseleste|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Aseleste|c]], [[Special:Log/Aseleste|l]]) 05:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)</small>
* Prefer [[:Steve Gibson (software engineer)]], per the lede. He is more than the teenage programmer that he was. This much better matches his degree and various job titles. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 03:12, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Possibly applicable parenthetical qualifiers may be consulted among those used for the entries under parent [[:Category:Computer scientists by field of research]] as well as under [[:Category:Software engineers]] and [[:Category:American computer programmers]], which lists a considerable number of those disambiguated as either "(computer programmer)" or simply "(programmer)". —[[User:Roman Spinner|'''Roman Spinner''']] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roman Spinner|contribs)]]</small> 05:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
** I'm all for improvement of consistency. Talking from a position of no particular expertise, I think that an "engineer" has built things, and a "programmer" just used keyboards (but allow for connecting wired, or punching holes). I'm also all for having parenthetical disambiguators, which are title, match the lede description. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 06:21, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
** I have no real objection to [[:Steve Gibson (software engineer)]]. While it's not more WP:CONCISE it is certainly more [[WP:PRECISE]]. My only quibble would be that Gibson is most notable to the typical reader for programs he or his company have created. But a counter would be that the RS, which really determine notability, are often more interested in his other work. Given the breadth of that work, we could almost go with [[:Steve Gibson (technologist)]], which gains concision at the cost of precision. I don't really care, as long as we don't use "computer programmer" which is redundant ("programmer" isn't regularly used in contemporary English in any other sense, even television program[me] management, government program[me] administration, etc.). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 10:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Support changing it to "Steve Gibson (software engineer)" per SmokeyJoe. [[User:Gnominite|Gnominite]] ([[User talk:Gnominite|talk]]) 17:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
*'''Relisting comment''': Looks like the article is watched by many. Extra opinions will be helpful here to ensure stability of the title. <small>(<span style="color:#555;">Non-administrator comment</span>)</small> ~ [[User:Aseleste|<span style="font-family:monospace">Aseleste</span>]] ([[User talk:Aseleste|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Aseleste|c]], [[Special:Log/Aseleste|l]]) 05:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Since the software programmer is [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], why not moved it to just plain title without any disambiguator and DAB page moved to "Steve Gibson (disambiguation)" without leaving a redirect. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.74.149|36.77.74.149]] ([[User talk:36.77.74.149|talk]]) 06:39, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
** I don't think that's a sure thing. [[Steve Gibson (businessman)]], the owner of a professional football/soccer club, would have a good claim. Major sports and the politico-economics in their background generate far more press and public awareness than various geeky proposals and technical wizardry (as much as I wish that were reversed). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 19:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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