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== Motif and other missing DEs ==

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==Criticism==

This is not a good sentence:

A desktop environment (DE) can be broken up into several components that function independently and interact with one another to provide the look and feel and functionality of the desktop environment.

it defines a desktop environment in terms of a desktop environment, i.e. a circular definition. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.59.84.177|99.59.84.177]] ([[User talk:99.59.84.177|talk]]) 21:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This article needs some serious work. It it not made clear what exactly the list is supposed to be of. The Desktop Environments' own projects? That can't be it, given some of the things on the list. Are they supposed to represent A Very Popular Choice? By who's reckoning? What authority is this cited on? Are they the author's own personal picks? If so I'm sure it's against some policy somewhere. Someone (not me, since I'd just delete the whole thing) needs to take a look at this. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:75.7.154.238 |75.7.154.238 ]] ([[User talk:75.7.154.238 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.7.154.238 |contribs]]){{#if: 00:56, January 9, 2007 |&#32; 00:56, January 9, 2007 |}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:I took the list from [http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/project.php#distribution this] KDE site and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME#Official_applications this] article. --[[User:DevastatorIIC|DevastatorIIC]] 13:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Dolphin is the file manager not Konqueror.

[[Special:Contributions/122.179.88.11|122.179.88.11]] ([[User talk:122.179.88.11|talk]]) 04:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Correct. Added a few lines about the replacement of Konqueror with dolphin, but imo, information about konqueror should be deleted all together. Any thougts? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Topfenbaecker|Topfenbaecker]] ([[User talk:Topfenbaecker|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Topfenbaecker|contribs]]) 08:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== ETK Links to [[Commune of the Working People of Estonia]] ==

The [[ETK]] link redirects to [[Commune of the Working People of Estonia]]. I fixed it, so now it goes to [[Enlightenment Foundation Libraries]], but I just wanted to note it because I thought it was funny. =) --[[User:Topsfield99|Topsfield99]] ([[User talk:Topsfield99|talk]]) 19:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Outdated? ==

This article seems to need a little refresh. What about [[MATE (desktop environment)]] and [[Cinnamon (user interface)]], while I never heard of Ede and Etoile (are those country or distribution dependent?), neither with Fedora, Suse, ?Ubuntu, Mint, Magaia, EeePC-Linux (obsolete), EasyPeasy, nor Knoppix (and some others).<br>

The table should be split up in three, at the "full", "semi" and "WM" column areas.--[[User:Mideal|Mideal]] ([[User talk:Mideal|talk]]) 12:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit: Not to forget Unity (vomit).--[[User:Mideal|Mideal]] ([[User talk:Mideal|talk]]) 12:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I also think that some of the links should be removed as well. One of the links is to a 2007 comparison of the two? I'm not sure if any of the points are still valid. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.129.212.134|64.129.212.134]] ([[User talk:64.129.212.134|talk]]) 19:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Can additional environments be added ? The list is severely outdated, even with the minor update in 2012.

See http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-kinds-of-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available

[[Special:Contributions/109.130.251.17|109.130.251.17]] ([[User talk:109.130.251.17|talk]])

== About "Compatibility and interoperability issues" ==

To my knowledge this is a non-starter. There are no compatibility issues or interoperability issues with the X11 based desktop environments at all, since the interaction with the desktop and an application (from a window manager point of view) is entirely based an X11 protocol, which all the window managers have implemented (if not, nothing would work!). Any interoperability or compatibility issue is then reduced to what other libraries or managers use, but since an app would -depend- on those being present, that's a non-starter too, i.e. there are no interoperability issues and no compatibility issues since each project either implement a common protocol with no extensions or implement a unique protocol.

Unless someone is able to produce an example or either a compatibility issues or an interoperability issue (swiftly) I propose to remove the section entirely. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.167.145.44|80.167.145.44]] ([[User talk:80.167.145.44|talk]]) 01:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Window Managers and Desktop Environments ==

At various points upthread, it's mentioned that the inclusion of information about pure window managers not associated with any desktop environment in the first table is unnecessary. As there is now a page for [[comparison of X window managers]], it seems doubly unnecessary. I propose that it is removed. Any objections? [[User:Caeciliusinhorto|Caeciliusinhorto]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto|talk]]) 21:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

: As no one has objected over the past week, I've gone ahead and removed all the information about Window Managers which are not part of desktop environments. Other information about WMs should go in [[comparison of X window managers]] [[User:Caeciliusinhorto|Caeciliusinhorto]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto|talk]]) 08:31, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

:: So this subject just popped up on reddit.com/r/linux ([http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2mm36c/compiling_a_list_of_desktop_environments/ linky]). Since you have recently worked on this page, what do you think about rotating the tables to better accommodate greater numbers of DEs listed, and to visually match the table on the WM page? Maybe there's some way to get Unity in here, perhaps by labeling it as "Ubuntu/Unity", then using an asterisk and footnote to explain how it's not a true full-featured DE. I'm also a little confused by the text above the first table mentioning five groupings, was this pre-WM-removal? [[User:DraugTheWhopper|DraugTheWhopper]] ([[User talk:DraugTheWhopper|talk]]) 05:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

::: It was, but I don't think it can have made much sense then, either, since I don't see four obvious groupings now. I'll remove it.

::: As for the large number of DEs on that thread, feel free to add some of them. Beware, though: as far as I know WindowMaker and UDE (despite it's name) are only window managers; not full DEs, and I can't find any evidence that Zorin Linux actually has it's own desktop environment. All the sources I can find with a brief search say it uses Gnome. [[User:Caeciliusinhorto|Caeciliusinhorto]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto|talk]]) 12:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

== Question on adding GNOME-based and others ==

The list mentions MATE (I guess because of it being a GNOME2 fork), but misses Cinnamon.<ref>http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/</ref>

Besides the discussions on differences between Window Managers and Desktop Environments, how do you think we should treat forks or alternatives that keep roots in the original project (Cinnamon, or Budgie <ref>https://solus-project.com/budgie/</ref> for GNOME3) or inner variants such as Plasma Active for KDE?

For a comparison, besides project philosophy, toolkit and estimated disk footprint some other real metrics such as memory footprint <ref>https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/</ref> would be a good addition, and while I agree that the referenced article falls victim to the confusion between window managers and full blown desktop environment, the fact that he listed all of them hints that this article should mention and/or reference exclusions, clearly state the rules of exclusions (missing utilities or certain features to qualify as one) and mention them as alternatives to implicit window managers in the second table where applicable (I'm thinking also of Compiz and Metacity besides Openbox).

Also for the GNOME column the file manager is called Nautilus (Cinnamon calls it Nemo) and the browser is called (or codenamed...) Epiphany. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mitzampt|Mitzampt]] ([[User talk:Mitzampt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mitzampt|contribs]]) 18:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== KOffice ==

KOffice, listed as a KDE Office package is unmaintained. That is said in [[KOffice]]. Source: https://invent.kde.org/unmaintained/koffice [[User:FlavianusEP|FlavianusEP]] ([[User talk:FlavianusEP|talk]]) 11:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)